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sparky151


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good post Ark. I mostly agree but disagree in a few spots.

QB - Zack Robinson has exhausted his practice squad eligibility. So he won't be on the team unless we carry 3 QBs on the 53 or he beats out Henne. Both of those are unlikely imo, so we should be looking for a QB3 we can stash on the PS. We could draft someone late who will clear waivers or pluck somebody from another team. We can't actually make a waiver claim on another team's player without putting them on the 53 but might be able to talk them into our PS vs the other team's. I'd guess the real life Bengals use a 3rd day pick on a QB for the PS.

RB - I want a gamebreaker for RB1 with BJGE as the short yardage and relief runner. I don't think we have the RB1 yet and should get him in the draft. RBs 3 and 4 will be special teamers and 3rd down specialists. I think it's Woodhead vs Goodson for RB3 and Peerman vs Herron for RB4.

OG - Wharton seems to be healing well and I expect will win the LG job back from Boling. Boling is versatile so we should be ok with him as a backup at several positions. I woudn't cry if we used a high pick at guard, we could draft Warmack as BPA at 21 or Cooper at 37.

C - I think we're set here with Cook and Robinson.

TE - we should be set here though we could take a blocking TE or pickup someone like Cochart at final cuts.

WR - I think we still don't have a good WR2 yet. Sanu and Hawkins are fighting for the slot job and Marvin Jones seems like a good backup. We added Hester to replace Tate. Donald Jones and Whalen can fight for the other roster spot. I'd like to use a high pick on a WR and upgrade the unit. IMO Whalen should have value to Indy as they develop Luck. They need to cut down on his picks and adding a receiver he trusts would help them. We should be able to get back what we invested in him a 6th round pick or maybe a higher pick in 2014.

DE - At the moment we should expect to try to keep Dunlap but if Ansah or Jordan is on the board at 21 they should get consideration.

LB - If Howard is healthy our starters would be Wheeler - Burfict - Howard, with Moch, V Rey, Skuta, and Lamur as backups. We can't necesarily count on Howard's health so LB should be drafted by end of day 2. If Jarvis Jones is on the board at 21 we should grab him, I'm not worried about his health.

CB - We have good depth with Hall, Newman, Jones, and Kirkpatrick. Prater and Ghee will get a chance too. I expect we'll draft a CB at some point as we do most years. Tyrann Mathieu from the 3rd round on would be ok.

S - We have starting caliber FS players in Nelson and Allen. We have backup caliber SS players in Sands/Iloka so we need to add a starter here, and should use an early pick. Mays can be shopped.
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ark23


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^Largely in agreement aside from some of the draft picks you mentioned, but we have plenty of time for discussion of that.

The thing is we only have one pressing need that if not addressed will cause serious problems. And that's a second starting safety to play with Nelson. LB, RB, WR, OG all of those are less pressing needs. We can live with what we have. I think this is great because going into the draft it leaves us with a lot of flexibility as to when we address certain positions, and allows us to go BPA by and large.

Also scar's numbers are more accurate than mine (he is the official cap guy for FFMD after all) and after all of our signings he has us with $21,150,600 rule of 51 cap room. Here is the link.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We're in good shape cap wise with maybe the 3rd most in the league and MJ and Geno locked up and Andre tagged. How much will our rookies cost? The cost per draft pick in FFMD is higher than in real life though we'd have to pay for the 6th rounder. When the season starts we'd have to pay for all 53 players on our active roster, plus the practice squad, plus guys on IR, plus any dead money from cuts. I'd say we have the best cap situation in the AFC. Baltimore is going to have to cut someone so they can make their draft picks and they've lost McKinnie, Birk, Ellerbe, Kruger, Williams, so far. They don't look like a playoff team next season.

I'd still like to sign a cheap veteran MLB and SS. Someone who is better than Skuta/Rey and Iloka/Sands. If Burfict gets hurt we're awful thin in the middle. I'd also like not to have to assume a rookie safety will be good. Crocker is worth a vet min offer imo.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I disagree with Crocker as he would be an immediate cut in my opinion.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johndeere1707 wrote:
I disagree with Crocker as he would be an immediate cut in my opinion.


If Crocker is on this team and expected to get plays, we are in trouble at S. we need to bring in someone in the first 2 rounds
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure why a guy who started for a top 10 defense is an immediate cut, especially when the defense got better with him on the field. If not CC, we still should try to have someone with some experience so we don't have to throw a rookie to the wolves or count on something from Iloka/Sands who don't have any experience either. At MLB I don't want to go into the draft with Skuta or Vinnie Rey as our backups but at least they have some experience.

Oakland cut Rolando McClain this afternoon. If his head's straight, he'd be ok as a backup MLB. He didn't live up to his draft spot but is still better than Skuta or Rey.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sparky151 wrote:
I'm not sure why a guy who started for a top 10 defense is an immediate cut, especially when the defense got better with him on the field. If not CC, we still should try to have someone with some experience so we don't have to throw a rookie to the wolves or count on something from Iloka/Sands who don't have any experience either. At MLB I don't want to go into the draft with Skuta or Vinnie Rey as our backups but at least they have some experience.


Crocker is an upgrade over Mays. He is more consistent and reliable. That is why there was improvement along with Burfict coming on. But Crocker is bad and does not cover well. We desperately need to upgrade our S position and I am not against bringing in 2 safeties from this class
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sparky151 wrote:


Oakland cut Rolando McClain this afternoon. If his head's straight, he'd be ok as a backup MLB. He didn't live up to his draft spot but is still better than Skuta or Rey.


I don't know if he is better. He is more of a 3-4 guy. He can't cover and is slow. We have that guy in Rey Rey. I would rather draft a guy like Jelani Jenkins than sign McClain
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ochocinco4pres wrote:
sparky151 wrote:
I'm not sure why a guy who started for a top 10 defense is an immediate cut, especially when the defense got better with him on the field. If not CC, we still should try to have someone with some experience so we don't have to throw a rookie to the wolves or count on something from Iloka/Sands who don't have any experience either. At MLB I don't want to go into the draft with Skuta or Vinnie Rey as our backups but at least they have some experience.


Crocker is an upgrade over Mays. He is more consistent and reliable. That is why there was improvement along with Burfict coming on. But Crocker is bad and does not cover well. We desperately need to upgrade our S position and I am not against bringing in 2 safeties from this class
I agree, I'd like to bring in two safeties ideally one of them can play some nickel corner as well for us.

I don't think it's worth the cap hit to sign some of these guys considering it'll be cheaper to get mid rounders/late rounders who do have potential as opposed to keeping veterans who we have seen are not ideal fits.

I wouldn't be opposed to signing Crocker post-draft, if that's allowed. Then we can evaluate what else is still a concern and make a sound decision.
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BengalsEra


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont get why you guys dont want to keep crocker. The defense sucks when he isnt on the field and plays really good when he is on the field.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Part of the improvement when Crocker returned was not having Maualuga make the defensive calls. We're all expecting Burfict to move to the middle but besides the position move, he'd probably have to make the calls too. I'd rather have a vet doing that if possible. Crocker would also give us a transitional bridge while the rookie earns his playing time. We brought in a rookie two years ago in Sands to replace Crocker, then again last year with Iloka. If this year's rookie safety struggles or gets hurt ala Kirkpatrick I'd like to have some insurance. Especially when the price is only a minimum contract. If people hate Crocker, other vets would be ok too.

I don't think FFMD allows post draft signings either of vets or UDFA.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You guys decide who you want to add. Just come to a conclusion
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2013 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

johndeere1707 wrote:
You guys decide who you want to add. Just come to a conclusion

It seems like it's split on signing Crocker. But I think Sparky and Bengals Era bring up some valid points. I wouldn't be entirely opposed to signing Crocker. I just don't think he's worth the price.

I'd say sign him unless a lot of other people are against it. Because it's very close and I think with our cap room we can afford to pay him.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With our cap situation we can certainly afford a vet safety, whether Crocker or someone else. It would impact our cap for the difference between 608K and whatever we pay the vet (940K for Crocker to start). We now have the most cap space in the league. We've been trying to replace Crocker for a couple of years but so far Sands, Mays, and Iloka haven't been able to do it. Let's hope this year's rookie has better luck.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JohnDeere, thanks for putting in a bid on Crocker. You sound like you're as big a fan of him as Villain is of Geathers. Smile
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