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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OG period is a huge need. As Entropy stated.....3.6 yds/carry.....NO BUENO! Look at Doug Martin and his OL.....or OGs. D.Martins good, but his OL is built to make big holes. We have 2 great OTs & 1 great C, but our OGs were atrocious.....whether if Pinkston was hurt or not.....we have finesse & intelligent players at OTs and a Mauler in Mack. Our middle is soft. We gave up most of our sacks up the middle, and we had no push in the middle. Can't do it.

As for building on a strength......You do it....period. Especially if its in the trenches. It will will help in so many ways......we will get over 4 yds/carry, protection in the middle and a bigger push in the middle. That will sustain drives, keep the defense fresh & give the Browns more opportunities to score. You always build inside out. QB/Trenches & then the rest. The Big Uglys make the Playmakers lives easier, whether on offense or defense. We have talent at the playmaking positions on both sides of the ball and our trenches are good......we need to make that good to dominant. Give your boys time to throw, holes to blow through (O & D) and to Eat the OL. You have to dominate the LOS to have success.
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^^^^^^That was the Crackburn coming out in me^^^^^^

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How realistic is it that we get this guy?
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Is nobody else concerned that the guy has only played I e full season and has not started a game in like 2 years or us that just me
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dawgpoun8017 wrote:
Is nobody else concerned that the guy has only played I e full season and has not started a game in like 2 years or us that just me


it is a bit scary to me too
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Dawgpoun8017 wrote:
Is nobody else concerned that the guy has only played I e full season and has not started a game in like 2 years or us that just me


Straight up......when I was spouting off.....I was speaking in general. As for Schwartz....I like the confidence that he wants to be a full time starter with starter pay, but the contract would have to be an incentive laden contract. He's in FA due to his injuries, and he was unseated by a rookie. He has to prove himself once again that he can stay healthy and be dominant consistently. I think he would be a good pickup as a versatile player, and possibly a starter....."IF" he can stay healthy and back up his talk.
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IMO he is a very good risk reward ratio kinda of player
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Why do people like him?
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candyman93 wrote:
Why do people like him?


Big guy who is nasty run blocker and a good pass blocker and is a 3 position player. He is in his mid 20's and won't break the bank.

He reminds me a lot of Ryan Tucker.
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I think our YPC had more to do with
1. T-Rich being a rookie
2. T-Rich playing hurt
3. Our offensive scheme

Can we upgrade at guard? Sure. But I don't think adding or deciding not to add to the position is going to change our win/loss numbers at all. Trent had lots of opportunities where rookie mistakes cost us yards, whether it be missing a hole, or whether it be taking a loss instead of just making the smart move and getting back to the line of scrimmage. Then he got hurt. The ribs definitely impacted him. Finally, we draft a guy 3rd overall, he is a physical runner to begin with, so why clog the running lanes by throwing a fullback in on every rushing attempt? I think if we would have run more singleback type formations with Richardson getting some rush attempts with the defense spread out, his averages would have been much higher. I can tell you that New England did this. Ridley isn't better than Richardson, Belicheck is just smart when it comes to personnel and formations. Leave all your receiving weapons in the game, spread the defense out and make them guess what you're gonna do.
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H2ThaIzzo wrote:
I think our YPC had more to do with
1. T-Rich being a rookie
2. T-Rich playing hurt
3. Our offensive scheme

Can we upgrade at guard? Sure. But I don't think adding or deciding not to add to the position is going to change our win/loss numbers at all. Trent had lots of opportunities where rookie mistakes cost us yards, whether it be missing a hole, or whether it be taking a loss instead of just making the smart move and getting back to the line of scrimmage. Then he got hurt. The ribs definitely impacted him. Finally, we draft a guy 3rd overall, he is a physical runner to begin with, so why clog the running lanes by throwing a fullback in on every rushing attempt? I think if we would have run more singleback type formations with Richardson getting some rush attempts with the defense spread out, his averages would have been much higher. I can tell you that New England did this. Ridley isn't better than Richardson, Belicheck is just smart when it comes to personnel and formations. Leave all your receiving weapons in the game, spread the defense out and make them guess what you're gonna do.


In respect to your New England & Belicheck answer......it boils down to 1 word. Respect. You can do comparisons to the Pats b/c you have to respect every playmaker on the offensive side of the ball......but they have a great OL and scheme.

How about the Saints? They lose there top 2 OL last year.....They kept all their offensive playmakers and were determined......but there offense sputtered (mainly the threat of keeping teams honest) running game. There OG went to the Bucs, and all of a sudden DMartin played amazing. I agree that schemes do come into effect, and other variables.........but a very strong OL will make things easier. Especially transitioning to a new offensive scheme. We still have The Punisher in the backfield, but we need more time for blocks to be set, quicker advances to get a body on a LB and most importantly the middle of our OL holding up against 2 blitzers up the gut constantly. Weeden did well stepping up in the pocket......when there was one. Being a vertical offense teams won't be able to shutdown the passing lanes at the LOS.
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would people honestly have any desire to sign him if his brother didn't play RT for us.....? the guy has not started a game since 2010
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I want Vasquez or Levitre. I don't care if we get Schwartz at all, but as a role player or someone as depth. I'm not against it.....just aslong that its incentive laden.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dawgpound1816 wrote:
I want Vasquez or Levitre. I don't care if we get Schwartz at all, but as a role player or someone as depth. I'm not against it.....just aslong that its incentive laden.


I agree with vasquez and the schwartz comments

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dawgpound1816 wrote:
H2ThaIzzo wrote:
I think our YPC had more to do with
1. T-Rich being a rookie
2. T-Rich playing hurt
3. Our offensive scheme

Can we upgrade at guard? Sure. But I don't think adding or deciding not to add to the position is going to change our win/loss numbers at all. Trent had lots of opportunities where rookie mistakes cost us yards, whether it be missing a hole, or whether it be taking a loss instead of just making the smart move and getting back to the line of scrimmage. Then he got hurt. The ribs definitely impacted him. Finally, we draft a guy 3rd overall, he is a physical runner to begin with, so why clog the running lanes by throwing a fullback in on every rushing attempt? I think if we would have run more singleback type formations with Richardson getting some rush attempts with the defense spread out, his averages would have been much higher. I can tell you that New England did this. Ridley isn't better than Richardson, Belicheck is just smart when it comes to personnel and formations. Leave all your receiving weapons in the game, spread the defense out and make them guess what you're gonna do.


In respect to your New England & Belicheck answer......it boils down to 1 word. Respect. You can do comparisons to the Pats b/c you have to respect every playmaker on the offensive side of the ball......but they have a great OL and scheme.

How about the Saints? They lose there top 2 OL last year.....They kept all their offensive playmakers and were determined......but there offense sputtered (mainly the threat of keeping teams honest) running game. There OG went to the Bucs, and all of a sudden DMartin played amazing. I agree that schemes do come into effect, and other variables.........but a very strong OL will make things easier. Especially transitioning to a new offensive scheme. We still have The Punisher in the backfield, but we need more time for blocks to be set, quicker advances to get a body on a LB and most importantly the middle of our OL holding up against 2 blitzers up the gut constantly. Weeden did well stepping up in the pocket......when there was one. Being a vertical offense teams won't be able to shutdown the passing lanes at the LOS.


I get what you're saying. But the Saints still had an all-pro (Jahri Evans) and Ben Grubbs paying OG for them last year. It didn't seem to help them much. There must have been more going on there than just losing Carl Nicks, who only played in 7 games for Tampa last year before going on IR.

I also think there was more going on in Tampa, since their OG spots were covered by at least 4 different players. And if I'm not mistaken, they had a patchwork line for most of last season.
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