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101Raider


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baggabonez wrote:


Unless you're Jonathan Ogden, who also didn't have a great passion for lifting, I'd stay away from a guy who disliked the taste of iron.


You act like the guy is a pansy in the gym

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQj6Wd_fwvA

I'm not saying he's a workout warrior, but he's not the sissy you make him out to be
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baggabonez wrote:


Unless you're Jonathan Ogden, who also didn't have a great passion for lifting, I'd stay away from a guy who disliked the taste of iron.


Von Miller was accused of this, look how he turned out. Cant say that not being a gym rat is worst.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

101Raider wrote:
Baggabonez wrote:


Unless you're Jonathan Ogden, who also didn't have a great passion for lifting, I'd stay away from a guy who disliked the taste of iron.


You act like the guy is a pansy in the gym

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQj6Wd_fwvA

I'm not saying he's a workout warrior, but he's not the sissy you make him out to be


Really . . . .I make him out to be a sissy? Hopefully, he does well at the combine. I still don't see McKenzie taking the risk. /shrug. Let's agree to disagree if you think he's a no brianer. We will see. I thin he will drop similar to McNeal.
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teams without highly draft DT's make the playoffs and win the superbowl regularly.

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Teams that win Superbowls and make the playoffs aren't picking in the Top 5, clearly
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baggabonez wrote:
101Raider wrote:
Baggabonez wrote:


Unless you're Jonathan Ogden, who also didn't have a great passion for lifting, I'd stay away from a guy who disliked the taste of iron.


You act like the guy is a pansy in the gym

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQj6Wd_fwvA

I'm not saying he's a workout warrior, but he's not the sissy you make him out to be


Really . . . .I make him out to be a sissy? Hopefully, he does well at the combine. I still don't see McKenzie taking the risk. /shrug. Let's agree to disagree if you think he's a no brianer. We will see. I thin he will drop similar to McNeal.


He never should have put those lifts on youtube.
He used bad form on all of this lifts plus his squat and deadlift where jokes.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Jones is not as big or as fast as the other guys. Plus jones played in a scheme friendly defense. They blitzed him from the left,right and middle wherever he had a favorable matchup.


1. Jones is not as big or as fast as the other guys

6'2" 240lb same size as many of the elite OLB's in the league.

He might not be fast without the pads on, if you watch his game tape he clearly can run around or through lineman, he doesn't get manhandled.

2. Scheme Friendly Defense, blitzing at his most favorable matchup.

Do you really want to say Jarvis Jones only attacks the worst lineman on the offense? Do you really believe that? Come on now. Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baggabonez wrote:


Unless you're Jonathan Ogden, who also didn't have a great passion for lifting, I'd stay away from a guy who disliked the taste of iron.


He sure like the taste of sacks, tackles for loss, forced fumbles (especially), and interceptions. I'll take a Jarvis Jones over a Vernon Gholston any day of the week. You can have your workout warrior, I'll take a football player.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bitty wrote:
Baggabonez wrote:
101Raider wrote:
Baggabonez wrote:


Unless you're Jonathan Ogden, who also didn't have a great passion for lifting, I'd stay away from a guy who disliked the taste of iron.


You act like the guy is a pansy in the gym

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQj6Wd_fwvA

I'm not saying he's a workout warrior, but he's not the sissy you make him out to be


Really . . . .I make him out to be a sissy? Hopefully, he does well at the combine. I still don't see McKenzie taking the risk. /shrug. Let's agree to disagree if you think he's a no brianer. We will see. I thin he will drop similar to McNeal.


He never should have put those lifts on youtube.
He used bad form on all of this lifts plus his squat and deadlift where jokes.
that is not jarvis jones from the draft.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DarthDavis wrote:
Baggabonez wrote:


Unless you're Jonathan Ogden, who also didn't have a great passion for lifting, I'd stay away from a guy who disliked the taste of iron.


He sure like the taste of sacks, tackles for loss, forced fumbles (especially), and interceptions. I'll take a Jarvis Jones over a Vernon Gholston any day of the week. You can have your workout warrior, I'll take a football player.


I'll hafta imagine all those stats from the trainer's table . . . .
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DarthDavis wrote:
bitty wrote:

Jones is not as big or as fast as the other guys. Plus jones played in a scheme friendly defense. They blitzed him from the left,right and middle wherever he had a favorable matchup.


1. Jones is not as big or as fast as the other guys

6'2" 240lb same size as many of the elite OLB's in the league.

He might not be fast without the pads on, if you watch his game tape he clearly can run around or through lineman, he doesn't get manhandled.

2. Scheme Friendly Defense, blitzing at his most favorable matchup.

Do you really want to say Jarvis Jones only attacks the worst lineman on the offense? Do you really believe that? Come on now. Laughing


Why not isn't that what a DC does? He gets his best player against the weakest O- linemen. I'm not blaming anyone it's just how things are.
I know I'm nitpicking but the third pick in the draft should be a HOF player, not somebody who's has red flags with size,speed and health.
At the end of the week will find out about his size and speed.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jarvis Jones in two years did more then other pass rushers cant do in three plus years. And he did it in the SEC. Mario Williams in a far weaker confrence in three years couldn't do what Jones did. 28 sacks in two years breaking the single season sack record in the SEC with 14.5. Like him or not kid is a beast.

Passing yards can lie sack numbers dont!
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea, let's pass up the best player in the entire draft because he isn't a workout warrior. It's sad you guys have never learned anything over the years from the draft. These are the same people who would re-draft Jamarcus if he was in this class. Probably the same guys who thought Kevin Durant would never pan out in the NBA because he couldn't lift 185.

Jarvis Jones' play does the talking for him. If you want to go by your weight-lifting metrics, I'm sure Brock Lesnar will be available in free agency... Rolling Eyes
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agarcia34 wrote:

Passing yards can lie sack numbers dont!


http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/vernon-gholston-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/brandon-graham-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/derrick-morgan-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jerry-hughes-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/aaron-maybin-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/derrick-harvey-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/gaines-adams-1.html
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

justwinbaby81 wrote:
Yea, let's pass up the best player in the entire draft because he isn't a workout warrior. It's sad you guys have never learned anything over the years from the draft. These are the same people who would re-draft Jamarcus if he was in this class. Probably the same guys who thought Kevin Durant would never pan out in the NBA because he couldn't lift 185.

Jarvis Jones' play does the talking for him. If you want to go by your weight-lifting metrics, I'm sure Brock Lesnar will be available in free agency... Rolling Eyes


Are the Raiders going to pass on Warmack?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oakdb36 wrote:
agarcia34 wrote:

Passing yards can lie sack numbers dont!


http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/vernon-gholston-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/brandon-graham-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/derrick-morgan-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jerry-hughes-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/aaron-maybin-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/derrick-harvey-1.html
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/gaines-adams-1.html


I'm worried he's going to compare to these guys. Especially Gholston whom I thought would be great in this league..... oops
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DEs are one of the most boom or bust positions in the draft. I would really prefer someone more safe (go ahead, tell me that Gallery and Rolando were "safe")


If we take Jones, I really hope its after a trade back
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