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I'll say what no one wants to say - TT is an average GM
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even when she was making out with that other girl. I was more excited to see the monster show up in the movie.

whew- offseason boredom blues.
Someone should put a GPS/camera on TT this time of year.

Tag and release.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alright let's get back on topic. Discuss the topic at hand or this thread is going to be closed. I love talking about Megan Fox as much as the next guy, but that discussion belongs in the TAPT thread.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You started this exact same thread on RealGM. Copy and paste job. Shameful. Did you think you would get the response you wanted on here after failing on there?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pugger wrote:

Our O line is horrible? Only when your 2 first round draft pick LTs are on IR and you are depending upon an aging Saturday at center.


Yes, the Packers' starting RT was on IR. Sherrod may be a first round pick LT, but nobody knows what the Packers have in him.

Who's to blame for the Packers to depend on an aging Saturday at center?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

luke4047 wrote:
Pugger wrote:

Our O line is horrible? Only when your 2 first round draft pick LTs are on IR and you are depending upon an aging Saturday at center.


Yes, the Packers' starting RT was on IR. Sherrod may be a first round pick LT, but nobody knows what the Packers have in him.

Who's to blame for the Packers to depend on an aging Saturday at center?


I think if Sherrod plays like a first round pick he'll be better than Newhouse. If his leg heals properly he should be good to go. I keep thinking of Mike Flanagan back in the early 90s. His break was worse and he came back and played well.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

luke4047 wrote:
Pugger wrote:

Our O line is horrible? Only when your 2 first round draft pick LTs are on IR and you are depending upon an aging Saturday at center.


Who's to blame for the Packers having to depend on an aging Saturday at center?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

luke4047 wrote:
luke4047 wrote:
Pugger wrote:

Our O line is horrible? Only when your 2 first round draft pick LTs are on IR and you are depending upon an aging Saturday at center.


Who's to blame for the Packers having to depend on an aging Saturday at center?


No one.

EDS couldn't win the job and Wells wasn't worth the contract he was able to get on the open market. There was no way to know Saturday would fall completely off the cliff like that, it just happens sometimes. No matter who the GM is, not all the moves are going to work out.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We want Sherman back!!! Jerry Jones would be better!!!!!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only read the first post so comments may have already been made.

GM's build a roster, sign coaches etc for results. You can evaluate them on a player by player basis you evaluate them on the bottom line.

On average, a GM will win a superbowl once every 32 seasons
On average, a GM will make the play-offs once every three seasons.
On average, a GM will win their division once every four seasons.

Of these, the play-offs is the most significant I'd say. Winning a superbowl is to an extent luck - its a one-off game and anyone can lose a one-off game. Plenty of teams win the superbowl from a low seed (as we did). Its really about making the play-offs to give yourself a chance. In my book the goal of a GM should be about building a team that can make the play-offs long term.

Anyways - however you judge him, to say TT is average is just laughable. An average GM doesn't build a team that makes the play-offs consistently over a number of seasons.

You could argue that really an NFL team is about finding the man at QB. And that GB's results have been hiked up by having Rodgers downgrading TT's achievements. Well if you say that then you judge a GM by finding the QB and if you do that then you'd say finding an elite QB at pick 25 when half the fanbase hated the pick makes him an elite GM.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unballed Melon wrote:
I don't know...

4 playoff years in a row, one superbowl win, and a team that is set up to make playoff runs for the next 2-3 years? That's average for the NFL now?

Screw individual position abilities, he gets players at the right value at the right time that let the team win. No team can be perfect at every position.


Eaxctly ...

Chance of making the play-offs 4 years in a row is in the region of 1 in 81 chance. And as per my previous post, reaching the play-offs consistently is the best way of judging a GM.

Original poster probably needs to read up on what the salary cap is and the differences between the NFL and Madden. You can't keep all your star players and sign expensive FA. Doesn't work like that.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If TT is a below average GM, the obvious question becomes what is considered average? TT has been GM for 8 seasons, with the following results...

Playoff Appearance: 5
Division Titles: 3
NFCC games: 2
Super Bowl Appearance: 1
Super Bowl Win: 1

How many of the leagues 32 teams have had similar success over the past 8 seasons? I don't know (and have made no effort to look it up), but I expect the answer is considerably less than half. Add to that the fact that all of the above has occurred in the past 6 seasons, and I think it's safe to say that TT has been an above average GM during his time in GB.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why are people still commenting on this?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JBURGE25 wrote:
Why are people still commenting on this?


+1 its over and done with
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JBURGE25 wrote:
Why are people still commenting on this?


There's not much else going on right now to comment on besides mock drafts. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm making a mock draft for the 2010 season. I must say it looks very similar to TT's draft that year!
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