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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, i don't really like the idea of flipping Poz and Smith in that scenario. I think it'd work out better if you just leave them roughly as is. Plays a lot more into their strengths, and i don't like the idea of Poz playing contain like that.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doesn't the Mike guard the Rb?
And if the back stays to block, he has the choice to rush the passer out pay spy?

I'd love to have Poz with that kind of free reign.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MightyRx wrote:
Doesn't the Mike guard the Rb?
And if the back stays to block, he has the choice to rush the passer out pay spy?

I'd love to have Poz with that kind of free reign.


Wouldnt that leave us vulnerable to a RB that goes to block and then bursts out he backfield?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JaguarCrazy2832 wrote:
MightyRx wrote:
Doesn't the Mike guard the Rb?
And if the back stays to block, he has the choice to rush the passer out pay spy?

I'd love to have Poz with that kind of free reign.


Wouldnt that leave us vulnerable to a RB that goes to block and then bursts out he backfield?
That's why you have to have a LB with good instincts.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After doing a little research, I noticed that Bradley used Clemons as his feature rusher in Seattle.
Chris Clemons was thought as J.A.G. prior to arriving there in a trade for Daryl Tapp.
3 years and 33.5 sacks later, he's a premier pass rusher.

Why do I bring this up?
Although the LEO is important to make this defense work, I think we might have guys on the roster that can fill that role.
Branch, Babin.
Chick if he fully recovers. Selvie if he returns.

I'm saying all this because I have no clue who we're picking in the 1st round.

Seattle picked Irvin last year as pass rusher in the 1st and got criticized for it by pundits.
Irvin had 8 sacks as a rookie.

So between the new defensive scheme and our new D-line coach, they might believe they can "fix" some players that have been miscast.

What Caldwell and Bradley deem needs and what we believe to be a need might be 2 differing things.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MightyRx wrote:
After doing a little research, I noticed that Bradley used Clemons as his feature rusher in Seattle.
Chris Clemons was thought as J.A.G. prior to arriving there in a trade for Daryl Tapp.
3 years and 33.5 sacks later, he's a premier pass rusher.

Why do I bring this up?
Although the LEO is important to make this defense work, I think we might have guys on the roster that can fill that role.
Branch, Babin.
Chick if he fully recovers. Selvie if he returns.

I'm saying all this because I have no clue who we're picking in the 1st round.

Seattle picked Irvin last year as pass rusher in the 1st and got criticized for it by pundits.
Irvin had 8 sacks as a rookie.

So between the new defensive scheme and our new D-line coach, they might believe they can "fix" some players that have been miscast.

What Caldwell and Bradley deem needs and what we believe to be a need might be 2 differing things.


if this is true, wouldnt that eliminate some of the guys we already mentioned as LEO types since we already have some good pieces there
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JaguarCrazy2832 wrote:
MightyRx wrote:
After doing a little research, I noticed that Bradley used Clemons as his feature rusher in Seattle.
Chris Clemons was thought as J.A.G. prior to arriving there in a trade for Daryl Tapp.
3 years and 33.5 sacks later, he's a premier pass rusher.

Why do I bring this up?
Although the LEO is important to make this defense work, I think we might have guys on the roster that can fill that role.
Branch, Babin.
Chick if he fully recovers. Selvie if he returns.

I'm saying all this because I have no clue who we're picking in the 1st round.

Seattle picked Irvin last year as pass rusher in the 1st and got criticized for it by pundits.
Irvin had 8 sacks as a rookie.

So between the new defensive scheme and our new D-line coach, they might believe they can "fix" some players that have been miscast.

What Caldwell and Bradley deem needs and what we believe to be a need might be 2 differing things.


if this is true, wouldnt that eliminate some of the guys we already mentioned as LEO types since we already have some good pieces there
Not necessarily. Depends on what they see as needs.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JaguarCrazy2832 wrote:
MightyRx wrote:
After doing a little research, I noticed that Bradley used Clemons as his feature rusher in Seattle.
Chris Clemons was thought as J.A.G. prior to arriving there in a trade for Daryl Tapp.
3 years and 33.5 sacks later, he's a premier pass rusher.

Why do I bring this up?
Although the LEO is important to make this defense work, I think we might have guys on the roster that can fill that role.
Branch, Babin.
Chick if he fully recovers. Selvie if he returns.

I'm saying all this because I have no clue who we're picking in the 1st round.

Seattle picked Irvin last year as pass rusher in the 1st and got criticized for it by pundits.
Irvin had 8 sacks as a rookie.

So between the new defensive scheme and our new D-line coach, they might believe they can "fix" some players that have been miscast.

What Caldwell and Bradley deem needs and what we believe to be a need might be 2 differing things.


if this is true, wouldnt that eliminate some of the guys we already mentioned as LEO types since we already have some good pieces there


Babin could be a 1 to 2 year patch. Branch wasn't very promising and who knows if Chick will recover.

Mingo is still my number 1 choice for pick 2.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JaguarCrazy2832 wrote:
MightyRx wrote:
After doing a little research, I noticed that Bradley used Clemons as his feature rusher in Seattle.
Chris Clemons was thought as J.A.G. prior to arriving there in a trade for Daryl Tapp.
3 years and 33.5 sacks later, he's a premier pass rusher.

Why do I bring this up?
Although the LEO is important to make this defense work, I think we might have guys on the roster that can fill that role.
Branch, Babin.
Chick if he fully recovers. Selvie if he returns.

I'm saying all this because I have no clue who we're picking in the 1st round.

Seattle picked Irvin last year as pass rusher in the 1st and got criticized for it by pundits.
Irvin had 8 sacks as a rookie.

So between the new defensive scheme and our new D-line coach, they might believe they can "fix" some players that have been miscast.

What Caldwell and Bradley deem needs and what we believe to be a need might be 2 differing things.


if this is true, wouldnt that eliminate some of the guys we already mentioned as LEO types since we already have some good pieces there

Pretty much.
That's why I said I have no clue which way we're leaning when it comes to the draft.

Seattle's best rusher in '09 had 4.5 sacks.

To fix that:
They trade for a guy whose career high was 8 in '07. (Chris Clemons)
They sign another whose career best is 6.5 in '05.(Raheem Brock)
They draft DE in the 4th round.(EJ Wilson)

Clemons has gets 11 sacks.
Brock gets 9.
The rookie gets cut in the middle of his 1st season.

The Falcons had 31.5 sacks in '11 and their premier rusher is gettign up there.(33 yrs old)
They draft a DE in the 5th round.
Caldwell was part of a front office that drafts Defensive Tackles & O-linemen earlier than Defensive Ends.

Not very sexy, but much needed.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bad meets Evil wrote:
JaguarCrazy2832 wrote:
MightyRx wrote:
After doing a little research, I noticed that Bradley used Clemons as his feature rusher in Seattle.
Chris Clemons was thought as J.A.G. prior to arriving there in a trade for Daryl Tapp.
3 years and 33.5 sacks later, he's a premier pass rusher.

Why do I bring this up?
Although the LEO is important to make this defense work, I think we might have guys on the roster that can fill that role.
Branch, Babin.
Chick if he fully recovers. Selvie if he returns.

I'm saying all this because I have no clue who we're picking in the 1st round.

Seattle picked Irvin last year as pass rusher in the 1st and got criticized for it by pundits.
Irvin had 8 sacks as a rookie.

So between the new defensive scheme and our new D-line coach, they might believe they can "fix" some players that have been miscast.

What Caldwell and Bradley deem needs and what we believe to be a need might be 2 differing things.


if this is true, wouldnt that eliminate some of the guys we already mentioned as LEO types since we already have some good pieces there


Babin could be a 1 to 2 year patch. Branch wasn't very promising and who knows if Chick will recover.

Mingo is still my number 1 choice for pick 2.


Isnt he still incredibly raw?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bad meets Evil wrote:
Branch wasn't very promising


Just out of curiosity, what was your assessment of Shorts this time last season?
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MoJo122-b-21 wrote:
Bad meets Evil wrote:
Branch wasn't very promising


Just out of curiosity, what was your assessment of Shorts this time last season?


I always felt Shorts would be good. Obviously not this good but, I had high hopes for him ever since we drafted him. Our wr coach 2 years ago was awful and with Shorts coming from a small school, he needed guidance (game was too big at first) and the coach was no help. I saw with my own eyes how beastly he was in practice too.

I wasn't that high on Branch pre-draft but, he does have all of he tools. Hopefully he turns into a great pass rusher but, the hope of his development would not stop me from taking a swing on a pass rusher.
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Bad meets Evil wrote:
MoJo122-b-21 wrote:
Bad meets Evil wrote:
Branch wasn't very promising


Just out of curiosity, what was your assessment of Shorts this time last season?


I always felt Shorts would be good. Obviously not this good but, I had high hopes for him ever since we drafted him. Our wr coach 2 years ago was awful and with Shorts coming from a small school, he needed guidance (game was too big at first) and the coach was no help. I saw with my own eyes how beastly he was in practice too.

I wasn't that high on Branch pre-draft but, he does have all of he tools. Hopefully he turns into a great pass rusher but, the hope of his development would not stop me from taking a swing on a pass rusher.


I agree just about completely, but I think Branch has paralleled Cecil to this point (small sample size, I know). But Branch's progression through workouts, camp and the flashes we all witnessed during the preseason, I'd say there's a foundation to go with the physical tools.

I'm not going to say Branch is capable of bursting into the picture with such a big impact in year two, but I also wouldn't be incredibly surprised if he did.

Just a thought at the beginning of a long offseason.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MightyRx wrote:
After doing a little research, I noticed that Bradley used Clemons as his feature rusher in Seattle.
Chris Clemons was thought as J.A.G. prior to arriving there in a trade for Daryl Tapp.
3 years and 33.5 sacks later, he's a premier pass rusher.

Why do I bring this up?
Although the LEO is important to make this defense work, I think we might have guys on the roster that can fill that role.
Branch, Babin.
Chick if he fully recovers. Selvie if he returns.

I'm saying all this because I have no clue who we're picking in the 1st round.

Seattle picked Irvin last year as pass rusher in the 1st and got criticized for it by pundits.
Irvin had 8 sacks as a rookie.

So between the new defensive scheme and our new D-line coach, they might believe they can "fix" some players that have been miscast.

What Caldwell and Bradley deem needs and what we believe to be a need might be 2 differing things.


This is why i'm really curious if we'll end up retaining John Chick.

He's not gonna cost much, but if he's fully healthy and ready to go...he could be a very viable rotational option as LEO. That role just looks tailor-made for what he excels at.

Obviously Branch is going to be part of the process and the future there...along with a potential draftee this year in the early rounds. But Chick offers the potential for great low cost depth who could show something impressive in that sort of specialized role.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One more thing.

The Seahawks only carried 2 or 3 LEOs.

In the 3 years that Bradley ran the system.
'10-Clemons, Raheem Brock and Dexter Davis
'11-Clemons and Brock
'12-Clemons and Irvin

Babin, Branch, Mincey and Lane are under contract.

If we draft a rusher, 2 of those guys will have to go.

And we most likely will carry 6 or more DTs.
A couple will play Strong side end.
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