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johndeere1707 
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 5:39 pm Post subject: J-Deere's Bengals Draft Mock |
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1. Kevin Minter MLB LSU
2. Chase Thomas OLB Stanford
2. Andre Ellington RB Clemson
3. Shawn Williams S Georgia
4. Khaled Holmes C USC
5. Sio Moore OLB Connecticut
6. Nathan Williams DE/OLB Ohio State
6. Michael Ford RB LSU
6 (Comp just a guess)- Rod Sweeting CB Georgia Tech
UDFA-
Dayne Crist QB Kansas
Montel Harris RB Temple
Lucas Reed TE New Mexico State
Duron Carter WR Florida Atlantic
Mark Harrison WR Rutgers
Jeff Nady OT Nevada
Dan Giordano DE Cincinnati
Moe Lee CB Utah
John Boyett S Oregon
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ark23 
Joined: 04 Dec 2012 Posts: 1401 Location: Columbus, Ohio
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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Overall I like it, I question some of the values, but that is largely my personal opinion. Obviously a lot is dependent upon free agency, but this is overall solid.
Minter in round one, to me, is a slight reach. I know the consensus has him in that late one are, but to me he's more of a second rounder. I love his ability in the run game, he's assignment sound, stout build, good lower body strength, understands gap control and is capable of disengaging blocks. But with that said, I see some limitations. In coverage he's physical, doesn't let receivers cross his face easily on those shallow cross/pick routes, which is good but he's a stiff athlete who is very straight line-ish and doesn't move laterally particularly well. I question how good he'll be in coverage in the NFL because of those limitations, and the fact he isn't a really comfortable player in space.
Chase Thomas is another interesting guy to look at. I think he's a reach in the second round, personally he's a fourth rounder. Doesn't mean he's not a good prospect. He does some things well, what stands out is his versatility and violent hands. He lines up all over, and personally I think his best fit is as a 3-4 ILB. Doesn't have great bend/flexibility off the edge, very limited athletically but technically he's solid - very good against the run, assignment sound, surprising strength. Still not gonna change directions really well and he is going to be at a severe disadvantage at the next level because of his limitations as a stiff athlete who is kinda a tweener.
Shawn Williams is a solid round three pick, maybe a little high but he's a very good in the box safety, fits pretty well with our scheme. Holmes isn't as much of a mauler, he's struggled against the bigger defensive tackles, doesn't have elite functional strength but in round four he's a pretty good pick. Obviously I love Ellington. Sio Moore is a star, in round five he's a steal. I think he's worth a second rounder. Long athlete, really good pass rusher, comfortable in coverage too. I think he can play anywhere from SLB to WLB, he's that versatile. Steal if he slips that far, which may be possible - though I don't expect it.
I'm not a big fan of Michael Ford, but he is a solid return man if nothing else. Nathan Williams too has some questions, never seemed 100% the same after that serious microfracture injury, and kinda a tweener - but in the sixth it's low risk. Sweeting is very good.
UDFA's are solid, although I wouldn't take a chance on Duron Carter. Mark Harrison is gonna blow up the combine (I think) so I don't expect him to make it to UDFA, but if he's there it's a great pickup. Giordano is solid too. Hate Crist, got benched at Kansas this year, lost his job at ND too. I'd rather take a higher reward UDFA like say Alex Carder (if he makes it there) or Ryan Griffin.
I like the draft overall, but what I'd say is I don't think we can afford to wait until the sixth round to take a RB, though this is a deep class. I'd prefer even taking two backs, one in the late rounds and one in the 2-4 round range.
Solid overall, I'd be happy with it on draft day. I might personally do things different, but I wouldn't be disappointed with this. |
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johndeere1707 
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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i did take a RB early in Ellington _________________
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BengalsEra
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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Chase Thomas is more of a 3-4 pass rushing OLB and the Bengals run a 4-3. And going LB with the 1st two picks would be a mistake, the Bengals have burfict and probably Lawson who is good. With only need one more LB, I cant see them taking an ILB and keeping Burfict on the outside. The Bengals should go either bpa or take a S OLB or WR in the 1st round, whichever has the best value at the time.
*Edit* 4 LB overall.. why?
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johndeere1707 
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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You think Lawson is good? _________________
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BengalsEra
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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| he was the best LB on the team in 2011 |
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johndeere1707 
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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| BengalsEra wrote: | | he was the best LB on the team in 2011 |
Personally I would let both Maualuga and Lawson go _________________
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BengalsEra
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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| johndeere1707 wrote: | | BengalsEra wrote: | | he was the best LB on the team in 2011 |
Personally I would let both Maualuga and Lawson go |
Maualuga sure, Lawson no. |
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sparky151
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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| I'd let Maualuga and Lawson walk and offer Howard a 1 year vet min deal. I'd also offer Skuta a budget deal too. With Burfict able to play inside or out, we could take the best LB available. We should look at LBs in free agency too. I'd like Larry Grant of SF who is stuck behind several studs but has played well in limited time. |
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ark23 
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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 1:35 am Post subject: |
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| johndeere1707 wrote: | | i did take a RB early in Ellington | Whoops haha dunno how that slipped when I mentioned him too.
Definitely a fan the. I value Minter and Thomas lower but the overall draft is solid. My one concern would be that neither Minter nor Thomas are comfortable in coverage. With that said a LB group of Minter/Burfict/Sio Moore would be an upgrade. For sure. |
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INbengalfan 
Joined: 21 Jan 2006 Posts: 4684 Location: Richmond, IN
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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 1:48 pm Post subject: Re: J-Deere's Bengals Draft Mock |
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1. Kevin Minter MLB LSU I like Minter at this point, depending on who else is available
2. Chase Thomas OLB Stanford Not a fan. Not a 4-3 player.
2. Andre Ellington RB Clemson Love it
3. Shawn Williams S Georgia Love it.
4. Khaled Holmes C USC[/size] How many centers do we need? He's not a difference maker, but OK.
5. Sio Moore OLB Connecticut Dude is a baller. Love it.
6. Nathan Williams DE/OLB Ohio State[/size] OK
6. Michael Ford RB LSU[/size]
Overall I like it, but an mnot enamored with it. Can't see us not taking any WRs. I actually would be OK with taking Bernard instead of Thomas and still taking Ellington. If Tavarres King made it to our fourth rounder, I'd do backflips. _________________
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ochocinco4pres 
Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 21397 Location: Indianapolis Indiana
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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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Overall a solid draft. I don't love Thomas, but it's solid _________________
Big thanks to kacymcbryant18 for the sig....^^ |
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Jason_Bengal_Fl
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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:50 am Post subject: |
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Don't need that many LBs.
Duron Carter? Seriously? _________________ 2013 Draft Needs: RB, Safety. Maybe RT and backup LBs |
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johndeere1707 
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Jason_Bengal_Fl wrote: | Don't need that many LBs.
Duron Carter? Seriously? |
I disagree about our need at LB. If we dont bring back Rey Maualuga, Manny Lawson, and if Thomas Howard, thats a serious need. Look at our current LBers, I'd say that is a need.
as for Carter as a UDFA? Our team does this kind of thing all the time. Bring in troubled UDFAs so they can either score big or cut them _________________
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INbengalfan 
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Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:21 am Post subject: |
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| johndeere1707 wrote: | | Jason_Bengal_Fl wrote: | Don't need that many LBs.
Duron Carter? Seriously? |
I disagree about our need at LB. If we dont bring back Rey Maualuga, Manny Lawson, and if Thomas Howard, thats a serious need. Look at our current LBers, I'd say that is a need.
as for Carter as a UDFA? Our team does this kind of thing all the time. Bring in troubled UDFAs so they can either score big or cut them |
But there's still Moch, Maybin, Rey (RFA) and the dude just out of jail, so I don't think we need that many. Moore is a great pick, so don't lose him in the wash. _________________
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