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KeithVikings28


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:00 pm    Post subject: Mock Draft 2/7/13 Reply with quote

Before you read this take note: The offensive line is not as bad as everyone is always whining and complaining about. They will bring in bodies to compete at camp and that's about it.



Vikings Draft-
1st NT Johnathan Hankins OSU (6'3, 320lbs)- Hankins is a large man, who could take on double teams. The Vikings run defense has slowly declined since the absence of pro bowl NT, Pat Williams. The last time the Vikings made it the the NFC championship the defense was ranked #1 against the run. The best way to get back to that point will be to replace the players lost.

2nd LB Arthur Brown KSU (6'1 228lbs)- Vikings Tampa 2 defense requires the MLB to drop into a deep zone, which current starter Jasper Brinkley is unable to do. Brown has very fluid hips and drops into coverage extremely well. He maybe undersized but with drafting NT Johnathan Hankins in the 1st round, that should help protect Brown's lack of size.

3rd WR Da'Rick Rogers TTU (6'3 218lbs)- Da'Rick Rogers is a big physical WR. He has great RAC ability and is able to stretch the field vertically. Back in 2009 the Vikings were at their best with WR Sidney Rice out wide. Rogers will provide Ponder with a true #1 WR and will compliment the tough running game with a tough presence in the passing game.

4th WR Stedman Bailey WVU (5'10 195lbs)- The Vikings lack WRs, it obvious. Stedman Bailey comes from a pass happy offense and he is a major contributor to Geno Smith's success. I know the Vikings need bigger WRs but the value of Bailey is too much to pass up. He has great hands and has played on the inside and outside at WVU. He does one thing better than then the current WRs on the roster, he catches the ball. In the West Coast scheme, WRs are asked to run short crisp routes and Bailey can do just that.

4th CB Tyrann Mathieu LSU (5'9 181lbs)- Mathieu is a ball hawk and a game changer. He is physical against the run and resembles a very good CB on the current roster, Antoine Winfield. Mathieu will come in immediately and return punts and play on nickel and dime packages. Watching Marcus Sherels play defense against Green Bay was an eye opener. Mathieu has learned from his mistakes and bringing him into a locker room with great veteran leadership he could be molded into a great young star.

5th TE Jake Stoneburner OSU (6'5 245lbs)- Another TE? Am I crazy? Listen, Carlson is on a front loaded contract so it makes more sense to keep him next season, rather than release him. Stoneburner was recruited out of HS as a WR and is very athletic with great hands. He can line up on the LOS and block as well. If Carlson doesn't play better this season, the Vikings have Plan B in Stoneburner. We'll see a lot more multi-TE sets this season.

7th RB Dennis Johnson ARK (5'9 212lbs)- Dennis Johnson is your traditional 3rd down back. He is great at catching passes out of the backfield and what I like most is his ability to pick up blitzes. He has a lot of power for a smaller running back and presents a lot of upside. He has also returned kicks at Arkansas. With Toby Gerhart becoming a FA next season, it might be smart to plan ahead.

7th OLB Kenneth Tate MD (6'4 220lbs)- Tate is a very intriguing prospect. You can turn on the tape and see he has tons of potential. If he clears out medically at the combine, he could be a great pick up for depth and as a special teams player.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Mock Draft 2/7/13 Reply with quote

KeithVikings28 wrote:
Before you read this take note: The offensive line is not as bad as everyone is always whining and complaining about. They will bring in bodies to compete at camp and that's about it.


I agree. The need for Oline is there, however, I dont agree with the notion that you have to spend early picks to address that need. Too many good OGs over the years hvae come from the middle of draft, id rather grab a middle round OG and let them develop/compete at LG.


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1st NT Johnathan Hankins OSU (6'3, 320lbs)-


Not a fan, id rather grab an impact player at S, WR or LB with this pick. One technique players in round one dont intrigue me. Especially since Hankins will only be a two down player.

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2nd LB Arthur Brown KSU (6'1 228lbs)


Great pick, though I think Brown is closer to a first round pick than a late second round pick.

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3rd WR Da'Rick Rogers TTU (6'3 218lbs)-


I love Rogers in round 3, i wonder if Spielman would take that chance.

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4th WR Stedman Bailey WVU (5'10 195lbs)-


I am not a big fan of this pick, unless Harvin is traded, since Bailey is a shorter receiver. Bailey is an outside receiver though, he played on the outside a lot at WVU. Three wide receivers under 5-11 does worry me.

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4th CB Tyrann Mathieu LSU (5'9 181lbs)-


Not a fan of this pick, I guess I havent taken an interest in Mathieu. I think its unlikely that Spielman takes another big character risk.

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5th TE Jake Stoneburner


Good pick. I like Stoneburner as a receiving TE, and could be a flex receiver.

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7th RB Dennis Johnson


Good pick, potential third down back and return specialist.

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7th OLB Kenneth Tate


Tate looks like a good special teams player and at worst, replaces Larry Dean. If Tate could play a hybrid LB/S role that more teams should implement in nickel, I would like this pick.


I expect one OG to be drafted somewhere, that would be my one big criticism.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well if we're going to mimic the Patriots, it's necessary to be stacked at TE and have small WRs. I think they'll draft a G in the later rounds but without watching film or having film available on any, I'll wait til after the combine to plug one in.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. I really do not like taking a Nose Tackle with our first rounder. I won't more of an impact player as well. I just think Nose Tackles can be found later in the draft.

2. If Arthur Brown is available at our 2, I love the pick

3. I'm a big fan of Da'Rick Rogers

4. I really don't mind taking a chance on Tyrann in the 4th, he's moderate risk, but high reward in my opinion.

Overall, it's not bad, especially for a no trade draft which is kind of nice to see for a change. But I absolutely hate the first round pick.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PurpleNation22 wrote:
1. I really do not like taking a Nose Tackle with our first rounder. I won't more of an impact player as well. I just think Nose Tackles can be found later in the draft.

2. If Arthur Brown is available at our 2, I love the pick

3. I'm a big fan of Da'Rick Rogers

4. I really don't mind taking a chance on Tyrann in the 4th, he's moderate risk, but high reward in my opinion.

Overall, it's not bad, especially for a no trade draft which is kind of nice to see for a change. But I absolutely hate the first round pick.


I agree about the one tech. spot. Realstically, that player mostly comes off the field for Everson Griffen in most passing situations leaving Kevin Williams or Christian Ballard to get the other reps, in nickel. Id prefer to get a three down player in round one. Id look to free agency personally for this need.

As for trades, looking at 2012, Spielman seems to like moving around.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hankins is a guy that can play up and down the line. He may be a 1-tech for normal downs but he could easily be a 3-tech on passing downs.

His problems stem from his desire and inconsistency at this point.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vikingsrule wrote:
PurpleNation22 wrote:
1. I really do not like taking a Nose Tackle with our first rounder. I won't more of an impact player as well. I just think Nose Tackles can be found later in the draft.

2. If Arthur Brown is available at our 2, I love the pick

3. I'm a big fan of Da'Rick Rogers

4. I really don't mind taking a chance on Tyrann in the 4th, he's moderate risk, but high reward in my opinion.

Overall, it's not bad, especially for a no trade draft which is kind of nice to see for a change. But I absolutely hate the first round pick.


I agree about the one tech. spot. Realstically, that player mostly comes off the field for Everson Griffen in most passing situations leaving Kevin Williams or Christian Ballard to get the other reps, in nickel. Id prefer to get a three down player in round one. Id look to free agency personally for this need.

As for trades, looking at 2012, Spielman seems to like moving around.


Yea I know he likes to move around. I just thought the no trade scenario in this mock was cool because it was unique. Not necessarily realistic, just enlightening for being different.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like everything except the Bailey pick.

If we're keeping Harvin, then we already have Harvin, Rogers, and Wright as our top 3 receivers. Due to the run first game plan the team uses, we rarely get 3 receivers on the field at the same time as it is. Using a fairly high draft pick on a guy who is a questionable fit due to size and who won't see the field much as a backup doesn't make much sense to me. We'd be better off looking at a RG (Alvin Baily) or Safety there.
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I'll echo most of the comments made above. I'm not a huge fan of Hankins, but if he can give any sort of pass rush or at least clean things up when the QBs step up, then I'm a fan.

I like the Brown pick. Though people continue to think we run the "tampa 2" which is not true at this point. We have started mixing up our coverage schemes, and I believe we will continue that trend moving forward.

I'm warming up to Rogers, in the 3rd he's a luxury pick.

Not a fan of the WVU Wrs. I want more big fast WRs then the quick shifty guys. If we are keeping Harvin, get a guy who can stretch the field to compliment Rogers (possession) Harvin (possession) and Rudy (possession). I'm thinking guys like Dobson, Hamilton, Wheaton, or Boyce would be guys I'd like.

If Spielman takes a chance on a character guy like Rogers, I highly doubt he will take another one in Mathieu. If you get too many guys who are trouble, the chances of them all bringing each other down is increased, thus making for a potential disaster of a draft class.

Overall, nice draft. I'd be curious to see who you think the Vikes will target in FA, and who you think they should target. Those 2 are not always the same.
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1st NT Johnathan Hankins OSU (6'3, 320lbs)-
I like this pick. I think he is move then a 2 down NT. I think he is a 3 down player. Good value pick here for when we move on from K-Will

2nd LB Arthur Brown KSU (6'1 228lbs)-
Grabbing Brown behind Hankins is ideal for the longterm. Brown is best in coverage, and average in run support, so with Hankins on board, Brown can play in coverage more.

3rd WR Da'Rick Rogers TTU (6'3 218lbs)-
Love this value in this selection. His talent should have him going higher but getting him here would be a coup. Great selection.

4th WR Stedman Bailey WVU (5'10 195lbs)-Not a fan of this selection (assuming we have Harvin or if we traded Harvin [if we just selected Da"rick]. I would rather pick up an OG (like Alvin Bailey), who could sit behind Charlie Johnson for a year.

4th CB Tyrann Mathieu LSU (5'9 181lbs)- I like this selection as well. Drops for obvious off field issues, but would instantly be a special team standout in my opinion if he brings the same playing ability as he showed. Great tackling ability for special teams, and great punt return ability. He could make Sherels expendable as well since Sherels offers no CB help. Mathieu can hone his Slot CB skills under the best slot CB in the league with Winfield.
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1- not a huge fan of Hankins. When looking for a DT I look for a guy with a high motor it seems as though he takes plays off and is inconsistent. Also he most likely won't be available at that spot hes slated to go as high as top 10
2-would love for him to be available at that spot just not realistic he is slotted as a late first Round pick and he should just improve on that at the combine
3-Good pick
4-I don't see where we need another receiver with Jenkins, harvin, and wright on the roster. Draft Rogers and resign one of the two free agent Wr's we already have.
4-He has the potential to be a good NFL player. Although I don't see the Vikings taking a guy with that many character concerns.

The rest has good depth and potential
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it is so easy to find guards, why have they not found one in the draft for years? Why sign Hutch, or move Johnson, or sign Schwartz? People keep typing it is easy to get guards, even with clear evidence on this roster it is not true. SF is filled with early picks on the oline for a reason.

that said, I like most of this draft.
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rpmwr19 wrote:
Hankins is a guy that can play up and down the line. He may be a 1-tech for normal downs but he could easily be a 3-tech on passing downs.

His problems stem from his desire and inconsistency at this point.


I live in Columbus and your totally wrong about HAnkins...there is no issue with desire and consistency...his issue is getting in better shape...he came to columbus at 400lbs...he has lost about 60 lbs since being here..he is a great teammate and standup guy...He played three downs this year and gets a great push up the middle on passing downs and his lateral movement for such a large man is pretty impressive....

If Hankins is there at our pick we would be stupid not to take him...he needs to lose another 20 lbs and and get better stamina...which he has improved every year in college...he has worked his butt off at ohio state and will continue to do so in the opros
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chuck44 wrote:
rpmwr19 wrote:
Hankins is a guy that can play up and down the line. He may be a 1-tech for normal downs but he could easily be a 3-tech on passing downs.

His problems stem from his desire and inconsistency at this point.


I live in Columbus and your totally wrong about HAnkins...there is no issue with desire and consistency...his issue is getting in better shape...he came to columbus at 400lbs...he has lost about 60 lbs since being here..he is a great teammate and standup guy...He played three downs this year and gets a great push up the middle on passing downs and his lateral movement for such a large man is pretty impressive....

If Hankins is there at our pick we would be stupid not to take him...he needs to lose another 20 lbs and and get better stamina...which he has improved every year in college...he has worked his butt off at ohio state and will continue to do so in the opros



Also add in the fact of what his impact can have on the overall team. Example, when Pat Williams was our run stuffer it completely changed the dynamics of our D. LBs had less blockers to worry about and could just fill gaps left and right. Teams couldnt run on us, thats a big deal.

Phat Pat could even give us a bit of a pass rush from time to time. He was one of my favorite FA signings of the last 2 decades of me being a Vike fan.

Had our secondary then had a Harrison Smith that could help solve a few problems then IMO we could have won it all when Favre was here(i know im a homer Wink)


If Hankins can be that guy or even close to it then it is a 1st RD need and the pick is warranted.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chuck44 wrote:
rpmwr19 wrote:
Hankins is a guy that can play up and down the line. He may be a 1-tech for normal downs but he could easily be a 3-tech on passing downs.

His problems stem from his desire and inconsistency at this point.


I live in Columbus and your totally wrong about HAnkins...there is no issue with desire and consistency...his issue is getting in better shape...he came to columbus at 400lbs...he has lost about 60 lbs since being here..he is a great teammate and standup guy...He played three downs this year and gets a great push up the middle on passing downs and his lateral movement for such a large man is pretty impressive....

If Hankins is there at our pick we would be stupid not to take him...he needs to lose another 20 lbs and and get better stamina...which he has improved every year in college...he has worked his butt off at ohio state and will continue to do so in the opros

I appreciate that you live in Columbus and appreciate your opinion, but I'm going to take the word of several scouts who watched him play extensively.

Almost to a man they say he has a stop n go motor and is very inconsistent at this time.
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