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Lane Johnson Receives Interest from Bears, Bucs, Colts, Texans

Oklahoma offensive tackle Lane Johnson has seen his draft stock skyrocket following his phenomenal showing at the Senior Bowl. Early on in Mobile, scouts told WalterFootball.com that Johnson was rising into the first round. He impressed in the one-on-one pass-rushing scrimmages and is now considered the consensus No. 3 tackle prospect for the 2013 NFL Draft. That works out to Johnson likely being selected in the back half of the first round of the 2013 NFL Draft.

WalterFootball.com caught up with Johnson to get an idea which teams were showing a lot of interest in him.

"I know Chicago really likes me," said Johnson. "I wouldn't mind going to the Texans; that's right by my house. I'm meeting with them. They run a good zone scheme and I wouldn't mind going there."

Johnson also met with a number of other franchises including Tampa Bay and Indianapolis. Overall, Johnson said the meetings with teams went very well, and he was eager for the opportunity to let the teams' decision-makers get to know him.

"I want to show teams what kind of character I have off the field. I want to show them I'm a man of my word," said Johnson. "I want to show them I'm a versatile guy that can play right and left, or whatever they need me to do. And I want to show them I can run block as well."


For me the more you watch him the more I feel if he is there at #20 you have to take him.
Johnson was initially barely in the top 50 tackles when this season started. Did his play this season justify such a rise? I don't put much into the Senior Bowl as a predictor. Johnson is still raw and would not be an immediate starter next year. I can't see the Bears taking him at 20 either.


Johnson was on a lot of peoples radar because of his athletic ability and the fact he played well at RT in 2011…when he moved to LT he looked even more natural and that is why he has risen to being a probable top 20 pick…he isn’t so raw that he couldn’t start next year…he would easily start on this team and you would see that if you watched some of his games…even on youtube…if he is sitting there at #20 and we haven’t significantly upgraded the tackle spot in FA then he should be the pick.
Phil Steele had him listed as his 48th tackle. Johnson was nothing special and would have been on people's radar just because he was a starter for Oklahoma. But he was not a pick for All American or All Big 12. On Steele's list he was the fourth team B-12 OT. You can argue with Steele about all that.

I watched a few Oklahoma games and Johnson showed nothing special. There was certainly no reason to draft him as high as 20 from what he showed during the season. Those who believe the Senior Bowl to mean something might but I doubt the Bears would. They would more likely trade down if he were at 20. And it is very unlikely there will be any tackles available for a reasonable price for the Bears in FA, either. But it really doesn't matter since our line improved as soon as we hired Trestman.

Imagine what getting the play in with plenty of time will do for the offensive line.
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I think even if we have upgraded the OT position by signing a RT I say we can pick Johnson.

Webb is not so talented that you pass on anyone you consider a LT to see what he can do. In 3 years he has not earned that right.

LT Johnson
RT Cherilus

Swing Webb

I could live with that OT group.
Johnson is a big risk being so inexperienced so it is unlikely the Bears would take it. He is as big an unknown as there is among the OL draftees.

There is NO indication that he could even start his first year much less improve over Webb.

We all fall in love with these fast risers, year after year.
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Lane Johnson Receives Interest from Bears, Bucs, Colts, Texans

Oklahoma offensive tackle Lane Johnson has seen his draft stock skyrocket following his phenomenal showing at the Senior Bowl. Early on in Mobile, scouts told WalterFootball.com that Johnson was rising into the first round. He impressed in the one-on-one pass-rushing scrimmages and is now considered the consensus No. 3 tackle prospect for the 2013 NFL Draft. That works out to Johnson likely being selected in the back half of the first round of the 2013 NFL Draft.

WalterFootball.com caught up with Johnson to get an idea which teams were showing a lot of interest in him.

"I know Chicago really likes me," said Johnson. "I wouldn't mind going to the Texans; that's right by my house. I'm meeting with them. They run a good zone scheme and I wouldn't mind going there."

Johnson also met with a number of other franchises including Tampa Bay and Indianapolis. Overall, Johnson said the meetings with teams went very well, and he was eager for the opportunity to let the teams' decision-makers get to know him.

"I want to show teams what kind of character I have off the field. I want to show them I'm a man of my word," said Johnson. "I want to show them I'm a versatile guy that can play right and left, or whatever they need me to do. And I want to show them I can run block as well."


For me the more you watch him the more I feel if he is there at #20 you have to take him.
Johnson was initially barely in the top 50 tackles when this season started. Did his play this season justify such a rise? I don't put much into the Senior Bowl as a predictor. Johnson is still raw and would not be an immediate starter next year. I can't see the Bears taking him at 20 either.


Johnson was on a lot of peoples radar because of his athletic ability and the fact he played well at RT in 2011…when he moved to LT he looked even more natural and that is why he has risen to being a probable top 20 pick…he isn’t so raw that he couldn’t start next year…he would easily start on this team and you would see that if you watched some of his games…even on youtube…if he is sitting there at #20 and we haven’t significantly upgraded the tackle spot in FA then he should be the pick.
Phil Steele had him listed as his 48th tackle. Johnson was nothing special and would have been on people's radar just because he was a starter for Oklahoma. But he was not a pick for All American or All Big 12. On Steele's list he was the fourth team B-12 OT. You can argue with Steele about all that.

I watched a few Oklahoma games and Johnson showed nothing special. There was certainly no reason to draft him as high as 20 from what he showed during the season. Those who believe the Senior Bowl to mean something might but I doubt the Bears would. They would more likely trade down if he were at 20. And it is very unlikely there will be any tackles available for a reasonable price for the Bears in FA, either. But it really doesn't matter since our line improved as soon as we hired Trestman.

Imagine what getting the play in with plenty of time will do for the offensive line.


Phil Steele holds very little relevance to anyone who really follows the draft…he is routinely late on players and I couldn’t care less that he wasn’t an All-American or All-Big 12 altho he was Academic All-Big 12 in 2011…

If you don’t think Johnson has special feet for the LT position from the tape you watched then you have no idea what you are looking for…you have this belief that Johnson only became relevant because of the Senior Bowl which couldn’t be more wrong…he was raising throughout the season closer and closer to the 1st round then the Senior Bowl practices more than the game itself raised his stock even further towards the top 20…same goes for Eric Fisher moving into potentially being a top 10 pick…

Johnson still has plenty of developing to do like most rookie Olinemen but he is good enough to continue to learn on the job and be a starting LT in the NFL from day 1.
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Johnson moves like a Nate Solder and has better tape.

He shut down a 1st round pick in Demontre Moore, a 2nd round pick in Alex Okafor and then had a great Senior Bowl.

I don't know what more people want to see?
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If Johnson is there at 20, how far could we move back while still being confident that we could get him?
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If Johnson is there at 20, how far could we move back while still being confident that we could get him?


We couldn't.
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If Johnson is there at 20, how far could we move back while still being confident that we could get him?


We couldn't.


Right. You either take him or trade the pick so somebody else can take him. Theoretically you could move back a couple spots and still get him but that entire scenario is highly unlikely it would seem.
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Lane Johnson Receives Interest from Bears, Bucs, Colts, Texans

Oklahoma offensive tackle Lane Johnson has seen his draft stock skyrocket following his phenomenal showing at the Senior Bowl. Early on in Mobile, scouts told WalterFootball.com that Johnson was rising into the first round. He impressed in the one-on-one pass-rushing scrimmages and is now considered the consensus No. 3 tackle prospect for the 2013 NFL Draft. That works out to Johnson likely being selected in the back half of the first round of the 2013 NFL Draft.

WalterFootball.com caught up with Johnson to get an idea which teams were showing a lot of interest in him.

"I know Chicago really likes me," said Johnson. "I wouldn't mind going to the Texans; that's right by my house. I'm meeting with them. They run a good zone scheme and I wouldn't mind going there."

Johnson also met with a number of other franchises including Tampa Bay and Indianapolis. Overall, Johnson said the meetings with teams went very well, and he was eager for the opportunity to let the teams' decision-makers get to know him.

"I want to show teams what kind of character I have off the field. I want to show them I'm a man of my word," said Johnson. "I want to show them I'm a versatile guy that can play right and left, or whatever they need me to do. And I want to show them I can run block as well."


For me the more you watch him the more I feel if he is there at #20 you have to take him.
Johnson was initially barely in the top 50 tackles when this season started. Did his play this season justify such a rise? I don't put much into the Senior Bowl as a predictor. Johnson is still raw and would not be an immediate starter next year. I can't see the Bears taking him at 20 either.


Johnson was on a lot of peoples radar because of his athletic ability and the fact he played well at RT in 2011…when he moved to LT he looked even more natural and that is why he has risen to being a probable top 20 pick…he isn’t so raw that he couldn’t start next year…he would easily start on this team and you would see that if you watched some of his games…even on youtube…if he is sitting there at #20 and we haven’t significantly upgraded the tackle spot in FA then he should be the pick.
Phil Steele had him listed as his 48th tackle. Johnson was nothing special and would have been on people's radar just because he was a starter for Oklahoma. But he was not a pick for All American or All Big 12. On Steele's list he was the fourth team B-12 OT. You can argue with Steele about all that.

I watched a few Oklahoma games and Johnson showed nothing special. There was certainly no reason to draft him as high as 20 from what he showed during the season. Those who believe the Senior Bowl to mean something might but I doubt the Bears would. They would more likely trade down if he were at 20. And it is very unlikely there will be any tackles available for a reasonable price for the Bears in FA, either. But it really doesn't matter since our line improved as soon as we hired Trestman.

Imagine what getting the play in with plenty of time will do for the offensive line.


Phil Steele holds very little relevance to anyone who really follows the draft…he is routinely late on players and I couldn’t care less that he wasn’t an All-American or All-Big 12 altho he was Academic All-Big 12 in 2011…

If you don’t think Johnson has special feet for the LT position from the tape you watched then you have no idea what you are looking for…you have this belief that Johnson only became relevant because of the Senior Bowl which couldn’t be more wrong…he was raising throughout the season closer and closer to the 1st round then the Senior Bowl practices more than the game itself raised his stock even further towards the top 20…same goes for Eric Fisher moving into potentially being a top 10 pick…

Johnson still has plenty of developing to do like most rookie Olinemen but he is good enough to continue to learn on the job and be a starting LT in the NFL from day 1.
Maybe all that is true, maybe it isn't. Steele makes his living researching this stuff, which I don't believe you do, so his opinions have some value. Johnson's feet aside I did not see an overwhelming blocker in the games I watched. Nothing like Alabama's line for sure.

We don't even know if Johnson's body can take the pounding long term since he basically played two seasons at Oklahoma. He can dance Swan Lake for all I care but if he can't stand up to NFL Dlinemen it doesn't matter. People with equal or more question marks get drafted every year and he might be this year's but I doubt it will be by the Bears at 20. If we could find someone who would want him at 20 and who would give us a couple of extra picks for that right that would be perfect.
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Johnson moves like a Nate Solder and has better tape.

He shut down a 1st round pick in Demontre Moore, a 2nd round pick in Alex Okafor and then had a great Senior Bowl.

I don't know what more people want to see?
Most people want to see the 20th pick be someone who has dominated for years. When that record is not there being skeptical is only good sense. Johnson, for all his potential, just does not have the record of some of the other linemen who are lost in his rise.

These things happen every year in the crap shoot called the draft.
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ChicagoAl wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
ChicagoAl wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
ChicagoAl wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
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Lane Johnson Receives Interest from Bears, Bucs, Colts, Texans

Oklahoma offensive tackle Lane Johnson has seen his draft stock skyrocket following his phenomenal showing at the Senior Bowl. Early on in Mobile, scouts told WalterFootball.com that Johnson was rising into the first round. He impressed in the one-on-one pass-rushing scrimmages and is now considered the consensus No. 3 tackle prospect for the 2013 NFL Draft. That works out to Johnson likely being selected in the back half of the first round of the 2013 NFL Draft.

WalterFootball.com caught up with Johnson to get an idea which teams were showing a lot of interest in him.

"I know Chicago really likes me," said Johnson. "I wouldn't mind going to the Texans; that's right by my house. I'm meeting with them. They run a good zone scheme and I wouldn't mind going there."

Johnson also met with a number of other franchises including Tampa Bay and Indianapolis. Overall, Johnson said the meetings with teams went very well, and he was eager for the opportunity to let the teams' decision-makers get to know him.

"I want to show teams what kind of character I have off the field. I want to show them I'm a man of my word," said Johnson. "I want to show them I'm a versatile guy that can play right and left, or whatever they need me to do. And I want to show them I can run block as well."


For me the more you watch him the more I feel if he is there at #20 you have to take him.
Johnson was initially barely in the top 50 tackles when this season started. Did his play this season justify such a rise? I don't put much into the Senior Bowl as a predictor. Johnson is still raw and would not be an immediate starter next year. I can't see the Bears taking him at 20 either.


Johnson was on a lot of peoples radar because of his athletic ability and the fact he played well at RT in 2011…when he moved to LT he looked even more natural and that is why he has risen to being a probable top 20 pick…he isn’t so raw that he couldn’t start next year…he would easily start on this team and you would see that if you watched some of his games…even on youtube…if he is sitting there at #20 and we haven’t significantly upgraded the tackle spot in FA then he should be the pick.
Phil Steele had him listed as his 48th tackle. Johnson was nothing special and would have been on people's radar just because he was a starter for Oklahoma. But he was not a pick for All American or All Big 12. On Steele's list he was the fourth team B-12 OT. You can argue with Steele about all that.

I watched a few Oklahoma games and Johnson showed nothing special. There was certainly no reason to draft him as high as 20 from what he showed during the season. Those who believe the Senior Bowl to mean something might but I doubt the Bears would. They would more likely trade down if he were at 20. And it is very unlikely there will be any tackles available for a reasonable price for the Bears in FA, either. But it really doesn't matter since our line improved as soon as we hired Trestman.

Imagine what getting the play in with plenty of time will do for the offensive line.


Phil Steele holds very little relevance to anyone who really follows the draft…he is routinely late on players and I couldn’t care less that he wasn’t an All-American or All-Big 12 altho he was Academic All-Big 12 in 2011…

If you don’t think Johnson has special feet for the LT position from the tape you watched then you have no idea what you are looking for…you have this belief that Johnson only became relevant because of the Senior Bowl which couldn’t be more wrong…he was raising throughout the season closer and closer to the 1st round then the Senior Bowl practices more than the game itself raised his stock even further towards the top 20…same goes for Eric Fisher moving into potentially being a top 10 pick…

Johnson still has plenty of developing to do like most rookie Olinemen but he is good enough to continue to learn on the job and be a starting LT in the NFL from day 1.
Maybe all that is true, maybe it isn't. Steele makes his living researching this stuff, which I don't believe you do, so his opinions have some value. Johnson's feet aside I did not see an overwhelming blocker in the games I watched. Nothing like Alabama's line for sure.

We don't even know if Johnson's body can take the pounding long term since he basically played two seasons at Oklahoma. He can dance Swan Lake for all I care but if he can't stand up to NFL Dlinemen it doesn't matter. People with equal or more question marks get drafted every year and he might be this year's but I doubt it will be by the Bears at 20. If we could find someone who would want him at 20 and who would give us a couple of extra picks for that right that would be perfect.


Yeah and no one knows how…if you want to start talking about the draft at lease use CBS and get some real info…

Now your changing your mind from “I watched a few Oklahoma games and Johnson showed nothing special.” To “Johnson's feet aside I did not see an overwhelming blocker”…well which is it?...

As for not knowing if Johnson’s 300lbs + body can hold up to the long term pounding this might be the worst excuse for not likening a player ever…you could make that argument about any linemen…in fact if you want to talk about the pounding any player in football takes the less hits the better so the fact Johnson hasn’t had to withstand years of punishment is a good thing.
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Madmike90 wrote:
ChicagoAl wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
ChicagoAl wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
ChicagoAl wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
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Lane Johnson Receives Interest from Bears, Bucs, Colts, Texans

Oklahoma offensive tackle Lane Johnson has seen his draft stock skyrocket following his phenomenal showing at the Senior Bowl. Early on in Mobile, scouts told WalterFootball.com that Johnson was rising into the first round. He impressed in the one-on-one pass-rushing scrimmages and is now considered the consensus No. 3 tackle prospect for the 2013 NFL Draft. That works out to Johnson likely being selected in the back half of the first round of the 2013 NFL Draft.

WalterFootball.com caught up with Johnson to get an idea which teams were showing a lot of interest in him.

"I know Chicago really likes me," said Johnson. "I wouldn't mind going to the Texans; that's right by my house. I'm meeting with them. They run a good zone scheme and I wouldn't mind going there."

Johnson also met with a number of other franchises including Tampa Bay and Indianapolis. Overall, Johnson said the meetings with teams went very well, and he was eager for the opportunity to let the teams' decision-makers get to know him.

"I want to show teams what kind of character I have off the field. I want to show them I'm a man of my word," said Johnson. "I want to show them I'm a versatile guy that can play right and left, or whatever they need me to do. And I want to show them I can run block as well."


For me the more you watch him the more I feel if he is there at #20 you have to take him.
Johnson was initially barely in the top 50 tackles when this season started. Did his play this season justify such a rise? I don't put much into the Senior Bowl as a predictor. Johnson is still raw and would not be an immediate starter next year. I can't see the Bears taking him at 20 either.


Johnson was on a lot of peoples radar because of his athletic ability and the fact he played well at RT in 2011…when he moved to LT he looked even more natural and that is why he has risen to being a probable top 20 pick…he isn’t so raw that he couldn’t start next year…he would easily start on this team and you would see that if you watched some of his games…even on youtube…if he is sitting there at #20 and we haven’t significantly upgraded the tackle spot in FA then he should be the pick.
Phil Steele had him listed as his 48th tackle. Johnson was nothing special and would have been on people's radar just because he was a starter for Oklahoma. But he was not a pick for All American or All Big 12. On Steele's list he was the fourth team B-12 OT. You can argue with Steele about all that.

I watched a few Oklahoma games and Johnson showed nothing special. There was certainly no reason to draft him as high as 20 from what he showed during the season. Those who believe the Senior Bowl to mean something might but I doubt the Bears would. They would more likely trade down if he were at 20. And it is very unlikely there will be any tackles available for a reasonable price for the Bears in FA, either. But it really doesn't matter since our line improved as soon as we hired Trestman.

Imagine what getting the play in with plenty of time will do for the offensive line.


Phil Steele holds very little relevance to anyone who really follows the draft…he is routinely late on players and I couldn’t care less that he wasn’t an All-American or All-Big 12 altho he was Academic All-Big 12 in 2011…

If you don’t think Johnson has special feet for the LT position from the tape you watched then you have no idea what you are looking for…you have this belief that Johnson only became relevant because of the Senior Bowl which couldn’t be more wrong…he was raising throughout the season closer and closer to the 1st round then the Senior Bowl practices more than the game itself raised his stock even further towards the top 20…same goes for Eric Fisher moving into potentially being a top 10 pick…

Johnson still has plenty of developing to do like most rookie Olinemen but he is good enough to continue to learn on the job and be a starting LT in the NFL from day 1.
Maybe all that is true, maybe it isn't. Steele makes his living researching this stuff, which I don't believe you do, so his opinions have some value. Johnson's feet aside I did not see an overwhelming blocker in the games I watched. Nothing like Alabama's line for sure.

We don't even know if Johnson's body can take the pounding long term since he basically played two seasons at Oklahoma. He can dance Swan Lake for all I care but if he can't stand up to NFL Dlinemen it doesn't matter. People with equal or more question marks get drafted every year and he might be this year's but I doubt it will be by the Bears at 20. If we could find someone who would want him at 20 and who would give us a couple of extra picks for that right that would be perfect.


Yeah and no one knows how…if you want to start talking about the draft at lease use CBS and get some real info… Of course, a 300 page magazine densely packed with team and player information is of no use if it has a different viewpoint from CBS, pretty hilarious stuff. There are players within the former CBS has no note of.

Now your changing your mind from “I watched a few Oklahoma games and Johnson showed nothing special.” To “Johnson's feet aside I did not see an overwhelming blocker”…well which is it?... What makes you think it has to be one or the other?

As for not knowing if Johnson’s 300lbs + body can hold up to the long term pounding this might be the worst excuse for not likening a player ever…you could make that argument about any linemen…in fact if you want to talk about the pounding any player in football takes the less hits the better so the fact Johnson hasn’t had to withstand years of punishment is a good thing.
One might believe that but it does not seem to be the case. Whenever a human undergoes a drastic change in body type or weight there are legitimate questions which are raised as to the overall impact on durability etc. Johnson is not like most linemen in any case since most have gradually gotten huge rather than rapidly. In fact, the very reason you are enamored of him is because he is NOT like most linemen.

It is incorrect about me not "liking" a player merely because I question his value at 20, the willingness of the Bears to take him there and his experience. His value to the Bears for me is not greater at 20 than a trade down for more picks.
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ChicagoAl wrote:
Madmike90 wrote:
ChicagoAl wrote:
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ChicagoAl wrote:
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Lane Johnson Receives Interest from Bears, Bucs, Colts, Texans

Oklahoma offensive tackle Lane Johnson has seen his draft stock skyrocket following his phenomenal showing at the Senior Bowl. Early on in Mobile, scouts told WalterFootball.com that Johnson was rising into the first round. He impressed in the one-on-one pass-rushing scrimmages and is now considered the consensus No. 3 tackle prospect for the 2013 NFL Draft. That works out to Johnson likely being selected in the back half of the first round of the 2013 NFL Draft.

WalterFootball.com caught up with Johnson to get an idea which teams were showing a lot of interest in him.

"I know Chicago really likes me," said Johnson. "I wouldn't mind going to the Texans; that's right by my house. I'm meeting with them. They run a good zone scheme and I wouldn't mind going there."

Johnson also met with a number of other franchises including Tampa Bay and Indianapolis. Overall, Johnson said the meetings with teams went very well, and he was eager for the opportunity to let the teams' decision-makers get to know him.

"I want to show teams what kind of character I have off the field. I want to show them I'm a man of my word," said Johnson. "I want to show them I'm a versatile guy that can play right and left, or whatever they need me to do. And I want to show them I can run block as well."


For me the more you watch him the more I feel if he is there at #20 you have to take him.
Johnson was initially barely in the top 50 tackles when this season started. Did his play this season justify such a rise? I don't put much into the Senior Bowl as a predictor. Johnson is still raw and would not be an immediate starter next year. I can't see the Bears taking him at 20 either.


Johnson was on a lot of peoples radar because of his athletic ability and the fact he played well at RT in 2011…when he moved to LT he looked even more natural and that is why he has risen to being a probable top 20 pick…he isn’t so raw that he couldn’t start next year…he would easily start on this team and you would see that if you watched some of his games…even on youtube…if he is sitting there at #20 and we haven’t significantly upgraded the tackle spot in FA then he should be the pick.
Phil Steele had him listed as his 48th tackle. Johnson was nothing special and would have been on people's radar just because he was a starter for Oklahoma. But he was not a pick for All American or All Big 12. On Steele's list he was the fourth team B-12 OT. You can argue with Steele about all that.

I watched a few Oklahoma games and Johnson showed nothing special. There was certainly no reason to draft him as high as 20 from what he showed during the season. Those who believe the Senior Bowl to mean something might but I doubt the Bears would. They would more likely trade down if he were at 20. And it is very unlikely there will be any tackles available for a reasonable price for the Bears in FA, either. But it really doesn't matter since our line improved as soon as we hired Trestman.

Imagine what getting the play in with plenty of time will do for the offensive line.


Phil Steele holds very little relevance to anyone who really follows the draft…he is routinely late on players and I couldn’t care less that he wasn’t an All-American or All-Big 12 altho he was Academic All-Big 12 in 2011…

If you don’t think Johnson has special feet for the LT position from the tape you watched then you have no idea what you are looking for…you have this belief that Johnson only became relevant because of the Senior Bowl which couldn’t be more wrong…he was raising throughout the season closer and closer to the 1st round then the Senior Bowl practices more than the game itself raised his stock even further towards the top 20…same goes for Eric Fisher moving into potentially being a top 10 pick…

Johnson still has plenty of developing to do like most rookie Olinemen but he is good enough to continue to learn on the job and be a starting LT in the NFL from day 1.
Maybe all that is true, maybe it isn't. Steele makes his living researching this stuff, which I don't believe you do, so his opinions have some value. Johnson's feet aside I did not see an overwhelming blocker in the games I watched. Nothing like Alabama's line for sure.

We don't even know if Johnson's body can take the pounding long term since he basically played two seasons at Oklahoma. He can dance Swan Lake for all I care but if he can't stand up to NFL Dlinemen it doesn't matter. People with equal or more question marks get drafted every year and he might be this year's but I doubt it will be by the Bears at 20. If we could find someone who would want him at 20 and who would give us a couple of extra picks for that right that would be perfect.


Yeah and no one knows how…if you want to start talking about the draft at lease use CBS and get some real info… Of course, a 300 page magazine densely packed with team and player information is of no use if it has a different viewpoint from CBS, pretty hilarious stuff. There are players within the former CBS has no note of.

Now your changing your mind from “I watched a few Oklahoma games and Johnson showed nothing special.” To “Johnson's feet aside I did not see an overwhelming blocker”…well which is it?... What makes you think it has to be one or the other?

As for not knowing if Johnson’s 300lbs + body can hold up to the long term pounding this might be the worst excuse for not likening a player ever…you could make that argument about any linemen…in fact if you want to talk about the pounding any player in football takes the less hits the better so the fact Johnson hasn’t had to withstand years of punishment is a good thing.
One might believe that but it does not seem to be the case. Whenever a human undergoes a drastic change in body type or weight there are legitimate questions which are raised as to the overall impact on durability etc. Johnson is not like most linemen in any case since most have gradually gotten huge rather than rapidly. In fact, the very reason you are enamored of him is because he is NOT like most linemen.

It is incorrect about me not "liking" a player merely because I question his value at 20, the willingness of the Bears to take him there and his experience. His value to the Bears for me is not greater at 20 than a trade down for more picks.


So the same applies to Eric Fisher then?...

Tell you what Al you keep scouting Taylor Lewan as a “mid-round” prospect who hasn’t even declared and let the rest of us get on with it.
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Lane Johnson Receives Interest from Bears, Bucs, Colts, Texans

Oklahoma offensive tackle Lane Johnson has seen his draft stock skyrocket following his phenomenal showing at the Senior Bowl. Early on in Mobile, scouts told WalterFootball.com that Johnson was rising into the first round. He impressed in the one-on-one pass-rushing scrimmages and is now considered the consensus No. 3 tackle prospect for the 2013 NFL Draft. That works out to Johnson likely being selected in the back half of the first round of the 2013 NFL Draft.

WalterFootball.com caught up with Johnson to get an idea which teams were showing a lot of interest in him.

"I know Chicago really likes me," said Johnson. "I wouldn't mind going to the Texans; that's right by my house. I'm meeting with them. They run a good zone scheme and I wouldn't mind going there."

Johnson also met with a number of other franchises including Tampa Bay and Indianapolis. Overall, Johnson said the meetings with teams went very well, and he was eager for the opportunity to let the teams' decision-makers get to know him.

"I want to show teams what kind of character I have off the field. I want to show them I'm a man of my word," said Johnson. "I want to show them I'm a versatile guy that can play right and left, or whatever they need me to do. And I want to show them I can run block as well."


For me the more you watch him the more I feel if he is there at #20 you have to take him.
Johnson was initially barely in the top 50 tackles when this season started. Did his play this season justify such a rise? I don't put much into the Senior Bowl as a predictor. Johnson is still raw and would not be an immediate starter next year. I can't see the Bears taking him at 20 either.


Johnson was on a lot of peoples radar because of his athletic ability and the fact he played well at RT in 2011…when he moved to LT he looked even more natural and that is why he has risen to being a probable top 20 pick…he isn’t so raw that he couldn’t start next year…he would easily start on this team and you would see that if you watched some of his games…even on youtube…if he is sitting there at #20 and we haven’t significantly upgraded the tackle spot in FA then he should be the pick.
Phil Steele had him listed as his 48th tackle. Johnson was nothing special and would have been on people's radar just because he was a starter for Oklahoma. But he was not a pick for All American or All Big 12. On Steele's list he was the fourth team B-12 OT. You can argue with Steele about all that.

I watched a few Oklahoma games and Johnson showed nothing special. There was certainly no reason to draft him as high as 20 from what he showed during the season. Those who believe the Senior Bowl to mean something might but I doubt the Bears would. They would more likely trade down if he were at 20. And it is very unlikely there will be any tackles available for a reasonable price for the Bears in FA, either. But it really doesn't matter since our line improved as soon as we hired Trestman.

Imagine what getting the play in with plenty of time will do for the offensive line.


Phil Steele holds very little relevance to anyone who really follows the draft…he is routinely late on players and I couldn’t care less that he wasn’t an All-American or All-Big 12 altho he was Academic All-Big 12 in 2011…

If you don’t think Johnson has special feet for the LT position from the tape you watched then you have no idea what you are looking for…you have this belief that Johnson only became relevant because of the Senior Bowl which couldn’t be more wrong…he was raising throughout the season closer and closer to the 1st round then the Senior Bowl practices more than the game itself raised his stock even further towards the top 20…same goes for Eric Fisher moving into potentially being a top 10 pick…

Johnson still has plenty of developing to do like most rookie Olinemen but he is good enough to continue to learn on the job and be a starting LT in the NFL from day 1.
Maybe all that is true, maybe it isn't. Steele makes his living researching this stuff, which I don't believe you do, so his opinions have some value. Johnson's feet aside I did not see an overwhelming blocker in the games I watched. Nothing like Alabama's line for sure.

We don't even know if Johnson's body can take the pounding long term since he basically played two seasons at Oklahoma. He can dance Swan Lake for all I care but if he can't stand up to NFL Dlinemen it doesn't matter. People with equal or more question marks get drafted every year and he might be this year's but I doubt it will be by the Bears at 20. If we could find someone who would want him at 20 and who would give us a couple of extra picks for that right that would be perfect.


Yeah and no one knows how…if you want to start talking about the draft at lease use CBS and get some real info… Of course, a 300 page magazine densely packed with team and player information is of no use if it has a different viewpoint from CBS, pretty hilarious stuff. There are players within the former CBS has no note of.

Now your changing your mind from “I watched a few Oklahoma games and Johnson showed nothing special.” To “Johnson's feet aside I did not see an overwhelming blocker”…well which is it?... What makes you think it has to be one or the other?

As for not knowing if Johnson’s 300lbs + body can hold up to the long term pounding this might be the worst excuse for not likening a player ever…you could make that argument about any linemen…in fact if you want to talk about the pounding any player in football takes the less hits the better so the fact Johnson hasn’t had to withstand years of punishment is a good thing.
One might believe that but it does not seem to be the case. Whenever a human undergoes a drastic change in body type or weight there are legitimate questions which are raised as to the overall impact on durability etc. Johnson is not like most linemen in any case since most have gradually gotten huge rather than rapidly. In fact, the very reason you are enamored of him is because he is NOT like most linemen.

It is incorrect about me not "liking" a player merely because I question his value at 20, the willingness of the Bears to take him there and his experience. His value to the Bears for me is not greater at 20 than a trade down for more picks.


So the same applies to Eric Fisher then?...

Tell you what Al you keep scouting Taylor Lewan as a “mid-round” prospect who hasn’t even declared and let the rest of us get on with it.
Right, what you do is soo important. We all hang on your every word.
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I hate these massive quote chains/ladders/whatever. Should be a rule keeping it to 3 quotes.
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ChicagoAl wrote:
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So the same applies to Eric Fisher then?...

Tell you what Al you keep scouting Taylor Lewan as a “mid-round” prospect who hasn’t even declared and let the rest of us get on with it.
Right, what you do is soo important. We all hang on your every word.


Not going to answer the question then? Not surprising considering you probably didn’t know Fisher had gone through the same kind of transition along with many other top OT prospects…

I have never claimed what I write to be important…if people read it then great if people don’t fair enough…there are many guys on this site who have an in-depth knowledge of the draft year in year out…we may not always agree or see the same things in players but we put the effort in to actually watch and learn about these prospects so if people do want to read our opinions they are formed based on information that has been gathered…unlike yourself who simply posted nonsical rubbish based on nothing which is wasting people's time.
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