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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This obviously has nothing to do with Dashon's contract, but do you think he'd be exponentially better playing SS?



I think the notions of FS and SS don't mean much in today's NFL. Both safeties have to be able to do everything if they want to succeed. That means covering man, zone, playing in the box, hitting, reading the QB's eyes, etc. I don't really see how much Dashon's game would change if he switched position.


I think you are partially correct in that you must do all things well but there is definitely preferred skill set for each position. Our SS is more of a in-box type who must tackle extremely well. Dashon can tackle and is physical but he is much better coming from 12-15 yards out rather than within steps of the LOS and having to deal with traffic. In our system he is an ideal FS.



I don't think we use our SS in a certain way because it's position-specific, but rather because it's his strengths. If we "switched" Dashon to SS, we would still play him to his strengths. His biggest strength, as I see it, is sniping. I haven't watched many safeties around the league with much attention, but I think Goldson is one of the better safety in the league, at reading a running play from his (deep) safety position, and shooting to the line of scrimmage to make a tackle. That's what I call sniping. If he played in the box more, sure, he would still make that tackle. But it's a great luxury to have when a player can make a tackle at the LOS from his safety spot. Not having to play a safety in the box is like having the ability to rush only four guys to apply pressure. It's a very good luxury to have, and it allows you to run all sorts of coverages while still being strong against the run. He doesn't have to switch position anyway. I would like to see more designed "in the box" plays for Goldson. I'd like to see him blitz and hit the QB from the blindside. It's almost a guaranteed fumble.
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I believe at very worst we'll be franchising him again, but at this point he's going to be our top priority this offseason. I'd expect him to be pretty pricey, as that's why he currently doesn't have a longterm deal.
To add to this we should have some money to spend after a certain player is likely to be gone. We need to resign him. He's been one of the best safeties in the league for a couple years now. I think they'll get it done by a contract or F tag.


Would this certain someone play the te position?
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I believe at very worst we'll be franchising him again, but at this point he's going to be our top priority this offseason. I'd expect him to be pretty pricey, as that's why he currently doesn't have a longterm deal.
To add to this we should have some money to spend after a certain player is likely to be gone. We need to resign him. He's been one of the best safeties in the league for a couple years now. I think they'll get it done by a contract or F tag.


Would this certain someone play the te position?


...No.
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y2lamanaki wrote:
deuces22wild wrote:
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I believe at very worst we'll be franchising him again, but at this point he's going to be our top priority this offseason. I'd expect him to be pretty pricey, as that's why he currently doesn't have a longterm deal.
To add to this we should have some money to spend after a certain player is likely to be gone. We need to resign him. He's been one of the best safeties in the league for a couple years now. I think they'll get it done by a contract or F tag.


Would this certain someone play the te position?


...No.


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SoCalNiner wrote:
y2lamanaki wrote:
deuces22wild wrote:
steadypimpin wrote:
y2lamanaki wrote:
I believe at very worst we'll be franchising him again, but at this point he's going to be our top priority this offseason. I'd expect him to be pretty pricey, as that's why he currently doesn't have a longterm deal.
To add to this we should have some money to spend after a certain player is likely to be gone. We need to resign him. He's been one of the best safeties in the league for a couple years now. I think they'll get it done by a contract or F tag.


Would this certain someone play the te position?


...No.


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Yeah, but he's definitely not the "certain someone."
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"I felt that they wanted me to prove myself, and I think I did just that," the 49ers safety said Tuesday as he was cleaning out his locker. "So if I was in the position again with the franchise tag, I'd be very surprised."

***Update*** When Jim Harbaugh later was asked about Goldson and his desire for a long-term contract, he said: "He's somebody that I think you reward. Plays every game, can find the ball. You know that he's out there. The opposing offense knows that he's out there. ... He just does everything you want a safety to do. And you reward those types of people."

http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2013/02/goldson-states-his-case-does-not-want-franchise-tag-in-2013.html
i agree. hopefully we can work something team friendly out. we gots a lot of stars on this team
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I have definitely changed my stance on both safety's. Goldson has to stay, and Whitner has to be the guy we look to replace. Probably not able to this upcoming season, but possibly the following one.
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From what I have been seeing, my feelings wouldn't be hurt one iota if we dumped Whitner ( 4 mil gain on cap room ) and plugged Spillman in to battle a 2nd-4th round safety prospect.

I also would be very interested in if the coaches see a strong future at FS in a youngster like Trent Robinson.
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1.) Houston Texans - select - QB - Blake Bortles {Central Florida}
2.) St. Louis Rams (via WAS) - select - WR - Sammy Watkins {Clemson}
3.) Jacksonville Jaguars - select - DE - Jadeveon Clowney {South Carolina}
4.) Cleveland Browns - select - T/G - Greg Robinson {Auburn}
5.) Oakland Raiders - select - OT - Jake Mathews {Texas A&M}
6.) Atlanta Falcons - select - DE/OLB - Khalil Mack {Buffalo}
7.) Tampa Bay Buccaneers - select - QB - Teddy Bridgewater {Louisville}
8.) Minnesota Vikings - select - QB - Zach Mettenberger {LSU}
9.) Buffalo Bills - select - WR - Mike Evans {Texas A&M}
10.) Detroit Lions - select - WR - Odell Beckham Jr {LSU}
11.) Tennessee Titans - select - DE/OLB - Anthony Barr {UCLA}
12.) New York Giants - select - DT - Aaron Donald {Pittsburgh}
13.) St. Louis Rams - select - FS - Ha'Sean Clinton-Dix {Alabama}
14.) Chicago Bears - select - CB - Darqueze Dennard {Michigan State}
15.) Pittsburgh Steelers - select - CB - Justin Gilbert {Oklahoma State}
16.) Dallas Cowboys - select - G/T - Zach Martin {Notre Dame}
17.) Baltimore Ravens - select - OT - Taylor Lewan {Michigan}
18.) New York Jets - select - TE - Eric Ebron {North Carolina}
19.) Miami Dolphins - select - LB - C.J. Mosley {Alabama}
20.) Arizona Cardinals - select - QB - Derek Carr {Fresno State}
21.) Green Bay Packers - select - DL - Louis Nix III {Notre Dame}
22.) Philadelphia Eagles - select - WR - Brandin Cooks {Oregon State}
23.) Kansas City Chiefs - select - S - Jimmie Ward {Northern Illinois}
24.) Cincinnati Bengals - select - S - Calvin Pryor {Louisville}
25.) San Diego Chargers - select - DE/OLB - Dee Ford {Auburn}
26.) Cleveland Browns (via IND) - select - QB - Johnny Manziel {Texas A&M}
27.) New Orleans Saints - select - CB - Kyle Fuller {Virginia Tech}
28.) Carolina Panthers - select - WR - Cody Latimer {Indiana}
29.) New England Patriots - select - DL - Ra'Shede Hageman {Minnesota}
30.) San Francisco 49ers - select - CB - Jason Verrett {TCU}
31.) Denver Broncos - select - DE - Kony Ealy {Missouri}
32.) Seattle Seahawks - select - WR - Jordan Mathews {Vanderbilt}


Second Round

33.) Houston Texans - select - DE/OLB - Jeremiah Attaochu {Georgia Tech}
34.) Washington Redskins - select - OT - Morgan Moses {Virginia}
35.) Cleveland Browns - select - WR - Marqise Lee {Southern Cal}
36.) Oakland Raiders - select - WR - Donte Moncrief {Ole Miss}
37.) Atlanta Falcons - select - TE - Jace Amaro {Texas Tech}
38.) Tampa Bay Buccaneers - select - OG - Xavier Su'a-Filo {UCLA}
39.) Jacksonville Jaguars - select - QB - Jimmy Garoppolo {E. Illinois}
40.) Minnesota Vikings - select - LB - Kyle Van Noy {Brigham Young}
41.) Buffalo Bills - select - TE - Austin Seferian-Jenkins {Washington}
42.) Tennessee Titans - select - RB - Tre Mason {Auburn}
43.) New York Giants - select - DE - Trent Murphy {Stanford}
44.) St. Louis Rams - select - G/T - David Yankey {Stanford}
45.) Detroit Lions - select - LB - Ryan Shazier {Ohio State}
46.) Pittsburgh Steelers - select - WR - Kelvin Benjamin {Florida State}
47.) Dallas Cowboys - select - DT - Stephon Tuitt {Notre Dame}
48.) Baltimore Ravens - select - S - Lamarcus Joyner {Florida State}
49.) New York Jets - select - CB - Bradley Roby {Ohio State}
50.) Miami Dolphins - select - T/G - Joel Bitonio {Nevada}
51.) Chicago Bears - select - DT - Timmy Jernigan {Florida State}
52.) Arizona Cardinals - select - DE/OLB - Marcus Smith {Louisville}
53.) Green Bay Packers - select - C - Weston Richburg {Colorado State}
54.) Philadelphia Eagles - select - DT - Daquan Jones {Penn State}
55.) Cincinnati Bengals -
56.) San Francisco 49ers (via KC) -
57.) San Diego Chargers -
58.) New Orleans Saints -
59.) Indianapolis Colts -
60.) Carolina Panthers -
61.) San Francisco 49ers -
62.) New England Patriots -
63.) Denver Broncos -
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Dashon Goldson multi-year deal coming? Called a priority by Jim Harbaugh: "He's somebody that you reward." http://bit.ly/UuB0le #NFL

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Dashon Goldson multi-year deal coming? Called a priority by Jim Harbaugh: "He's somebody that you reward." http://bit.ly/UuB0le #NFL



What Harbaugh says and what Baalke does are two separate things. It's just another prime example of Harbaugh praising one of his players in public.
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Dashon Goldson multi-year deal coming? Called a priority by Jim Harbaugh: "He's somebody that you reward." http://bit.ly/UuB0le #NFL



What Harbaugh says and what Baalke does are two separate things. It's just another prime example of Harbaugh praising one of his players in public.


I think we all can safely agree with Harbaugh on this one though. And it's not like we haven't awarded players who have earned it.
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^ I think we can all safely believe that we shouldn't believe anything Harbaugh ever says to the media.
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65.) Houston Texans - select - DE-OLB / Carl Bradford {Arizona State}
66.) Washington Redskins - select - LB / Yawin Smallwood {Connecticut}
67.) Oakland Raiders - select - DT / Kelcy Quarles {S. Carolina}
68.) Atlanta Falcons - select - DT / Will Sutton {Arizona State}
69.) New York Jets (via TB) - select - RB / Bishop Sankey {Washington}
70.) Jacksonville Jaguars - select - RB / Carlos Hyde {Ohio State}
71.) Cleveland Browns - select - CB / Victor Hampton {S. Carolina}
72.) Minnesota Vikings - select - DT / Ego Furgeson {LSU}
73.) Buffalo Bills - select - DE / Trevor Reilly {Utah}
74.) New York Giants - select - IOL / Weston Richburg {Colorado State}
75.) St. Louis Rams - select - S / Deone Bucannon {Washington State}
76.) Detroit Lions - select - LB / Telvin Smith {Florida State}
77.) San Francisco 49ers (via TEN) - select - CB / E.J. Gaines {Missouri}
78.) Baltimore Ravens - select - WR / Davante Adams {Fresno State}
79.) Dallas Cowboys - select - LB / Christian Jones {Florida State}
80.) New York Jets - select - S / Ed Reynolds {Stanford}
81.) Miami Dolphins - select - DT / Anthony Johnson {LSU}
82.) Chicago Bears - select - CB / Jaylen Watkins {Florida}
83.) Cleveland Browns (via PIT) - select - WR / Martavis Bryant {Clemson}
84.) Arizona Cardinals - select - DE-OLB / Jackson Jeffcoat {Texas}
85.) Green Bay Packers - select - DL / Justin Ellis {La Tech}
86.) Philadelphia Eagles - select - S / Craig Loston {LSU}
87.) Kansas City Chiefs - select - S / Dion Bailey {Southern Cal}
88.) Cincinnati Bengals - select - OT / Jack Mewhort {Ohio State}
89.) San Diego Chargers - select - CB / Bashaud Breeland {Clemson}
90.) Indianapolis Colts - select - IOL / Marcus Martin {Southern Cal}
91.) New Orleans Saints - select - OT / Ja'Waun James {Tennessee}
92.) Carolina Panthers - select - OT / James Hurst {N. Carolina}
93.) New England Patriots - select - DE / Chris Smith {Arkansas}
94.) San Francisco 49ers - select - QB / A.J. McCarron {Alabama}
95.) Denver Broncos - select - DE / Demarcus Lawrence {Boise State}
96.) Minnesota Vikings (via SEA) - select - OG / Joel Bitonio {Nevada}


Fourth Round


97.) Houston Texans - select - LB / Shayne Skov {Stanford}
98.) Washington Redskins - select - CB / Pierre Desir {Lindenwood}
99.) Atlanta Falcons - select - DT / Daniel McCullers {Tennessee}
100.) Tampa Bay Buccaneers - select - QB / David Fales {San Jose State}
101.) Jacksonville Jaguars - select - WR / Mike Davis {Texas}
102.) Cleveland Browns - select - LB / Chris Borland {Wisconsin}
103.) Oakland Raiders - select - DE / Kareem Martin {N. Carolina}
104.) Minnesota Vikings - select - S / Terrence Brooks {Florida State}
105.) Buffalo Bills - select - WR / Brandon Coleman {Rutgers}
106.) St. Louis Rams - select - RB / Charles Sims {W. Virginia}
107.) Detroit Lions - select - WR / Donte Moncrief {Mississippi}
108.) Tennessee Titans - select - QB / Brett Smith {Wyoming}
109.) New York Giants - select - WR / Jared Abbrederis {Wisconsin}
110.) Dallas Cowboys - select - RB / Jeremy Hill {LSU}
111.) New York Jets - select - QB / Aaron Murray {Georgia}
112.) Miami Dolphins - select - OG / Anthony Steen {Alabama}
113.) Chicago Bears - select - RB / Lache Seastrunk {Baylor}
114.) Pittsburgh Steelers - select - DE-OLB / Michael Sam {Missouri}
115.) Jacksonville Jaguars (via BAL) - select - IOL / Tyler Larsen {Utah State}
116.) Arizona Cardinals - select - DE / Dominique Easley {Florida}
117.) Green Bay Packers - select - TE / Arthur Lynch {Georgia}
118.) Philadelphia Eagles - select - WR / Paul Richardson {Colorado}
119.) Kansas City Chiefs - select - OG / Chris Watt {Notre Dame}
120.) Cincinnati Bengals - select - IOL / Bryan Stork {Florida State}
121.) San Diego Chargers - select - OG / Dakoda Dozier {Furman}
122.) Cleveland Browns (via IND) - select - S / Tre Boston {N. Carolina}
123.) New Orleans Saints - select - CB / Keith McGill {Utah}
124.) Carolina Panthers - select - CB / Terrance Mitchell {Oregon}
125.) New England Patriots - select - LB / Lamin Barrow {LSU}
126.) San Francisco 49ers - select - WR / L'Damian Washington {Missouri}
127.) Denver Broncos - select - S / Ahmad Dixon {Baylor}
128.) Seattle Seahawks - select - OL / Brandon Thomas {Clemson}


Fifth Round


129.) Houston Texans - select - CB / Rashaad Reynolds {Oregon State}
130.) Washington Redskins - select - DL / Caraun Reid {Princeton}
131.) Tampa Bay Buccaneers - select - WR / Josh Huff {Oregon}
132.) Jacksonville Jaguars - select - LB / Christian Kirksey {Iowa}
133.) Cleveland Browns - select - WR / Bruce Ellington {S. Carolina}
134.) Seattle Seahawks (via OAK) - select - OT / Seantrel Henderson {Miami}
135.) Atlanta Falcons - select - OT / Michael Schofield {Michigan}
136.) Minnesota Vikings - select - RB / Devonta Freeman {Florida State}
137.) Buffalo Bills - select - TE / Marcel Jenson {Fresno State}
138.) Jacksonville Jaguars (via DET) - select - CB / Ross Cockrell {Duke}
139.) Tennessee Titans - select - DT / Ryan Carrethers {Arkansas}
140.) New York Giants - select - DE / Will Clarke {W. Virginia}
141.) St. Louis Rams - select - LB / Jordan Tripp {Montana}
142.) New York Jets - select - DE-OLB / Aaron Lynch {S. Florida}
143.) Miami Dolphins - select - S / Kenny Ladler {Vanderbilt}
144.) Chicago Bears - select - DE / James Gayle {Virginia Tech}
145.) Pittsburgh Steelers - select - WR / Robert Herron {Wyoming}
146.) Jacksonville Jaguars (via BAL) - select - DT / Deandre Coleman {California}
147.) Dallas Cowboys - select - DB / Dontae Johnson {N.C. State}
148.) Arizona Cardinals - select - OG / Brandon Linder {Miami}
149.) Green Bay Packers - select - DE-OLB / Adrian Hubbard {Alabama}
150.) Philadelphia Eagles - select - DE-OLB / Morgan Breslin {Southern Cal}
151.) Kansas City Chiefs - select - DE / Jay Bromley {Syracuse}
152.) Cincinnati Bengals - select - RB / Rajion Neal {Tennessee}
153.) San Diego Chargers - select - OT / Billy Turner {N. Dakota State}
154.) Indianapolis Colts - select - DB / Antone Exum {Virginia Tech}
155.) New Orleans Saints - select - WR / Cody Latimer {Indiana}
156.) Carolina Panthers - select - LB / Jordan Zumwalt {UCLA}
157.) Philadelphia Eagles (via NE) - select - OT / Cameron Fleming {Stanford}
158.) San Francisco 49ers - select - DE / Brent Urban {Virginia}
159.) Denver Broncos - select - RB / Marion Grice {Arizona State}
160.) Seattle Seahawks - select - DL / Calvin Barnett {Oklahoma State}
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^ I think we can all safely believe that we shouldn't believe anything Harbaugh ever says to the media.



I think we can all safely believe that what oldman says about believing what Harbaugh says to the media is believable.
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Hey guys, with how solid the draft this year is at the safety position and the huge contracts possibly coming to players like Kaepernick, Anthony Davis, Crabtree, Iupati, Aldon Smith all projected fa's in 2015, do you think Golston is actually given a huge contract?

Would it be wise to "save" that money and draft a safety this year?
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Hey guys, with how solid the draft this year is at the safety position and the huge contracts possibly coming to players like Kaepernick, Anthony Davis, Crabtree, Iupati, Aldon Smith all projected fa's in 2015, do you think Golston is actually given a huge contract?

Would it be wise to "save" that money and draft a safety this year?
a rookie isnt guaranteed to be as good as Goldson plays so no to that. Maybe for Whitner but we need to keep Goldson.
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