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Big Board (2/1/13):

1. Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah
2. Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia
3. Damontre Moore, DE, Texas A&M
4. Eric Fisher, OT, Central Michigan
5. Luke Joeckel, OT, Texas A&M
6. Bjoern Werner, DE, Florida State
7. Chance Warmack, OG, Alabama
8. Sheldon Richardson, DT, Missouri
9. KeKe Mingo, DE, LSU
10. Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia
11. Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU
12. Dee Milliner, CB Alabama
13. Jonathan Cooper, OG, North Carolina
14. Jonathan Hankins, DT, Ohio State
15. Lane Johnson, OT, Oklahoma
16. Justin Hunter, WR, Tennessee
17. Sylvester Williams, DT, North Carolina
18. Keenan Allen, WR, California
19. Sam Montgomery, DE, LSU
20. Xavier Rhodes, CB, Florida State
21. Cordarrelle Patterson, WR, Tennessee
22. Tyler Eifert, TE, Notre Dame
23. Alec Ogletree, LB, Georgia
24. Kawann Short, DT, Purdue
25. Kenny Vaccaro, S, Texas
26. Dion Jordan, OLB/DE, Oregon
27. Jonathan Banks, CB, Mississippi State
28. Shariff Floyd, DT, Florida
29. Terrance Williams, WR, Baylor
30. Tyler Wilson, QB, Arkansas
31. Deandre Hopkins, WR, Clemson
32. Alex Okafor, DE, Texas

here's my top 32 right now. feel free to offer questions/thoughts/criticism. keep in mind that guys right outside the top ten all the way to #20 are all very closely rated in my eyes.

-should have rankings with actual analysis in the next week or two
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Stoked to see the Bucs interest in Terrance Williams. Kind of reminds me of a Torrey Smith type player.
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Here is my big board. Rip it to shreds Laughing

1. Jarvis Jones, OLB/DE, Georgia
2. Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah
3. Damontre Moore, DE/OLB, Texas A&M
4. Chance Warmack, OG, Alabama
5. Bjorn Werner, DE, Florida State
6. Sheldon Richardson, DT, Missouri
7. Eric Fisher, OT, Central Michigan
8. Keenan Allen, WR, California
9. Luke Joeckel, OT, Texas A&M
10. Sam Montgomery, DE, LSU
11. Kenny Vaccaro, FS, Texas
12. Barkevious Mingo, DE, LSU
13. DeAndre Hopkins, WR, Clemson
14. Xavier Rhodes, CB, Florida State
15. Ezekial Ansah, DE, BYU
16. Lane Johnson, OT, Oklahoma
17. Justin Hunter, WR, Tennessee
18. Dee Milliner, CB, Alabama
19. Johnathan Hankins, DT, Ohio State
20. Jonathan Cooper, OG, North Carolina
21. Kevin Minter, MLB, LSU
22. Sharrif Floyd, DT, Florida
23. Tavon Austin, WR, West Virginia
24. Johnthan Banks, CB, Mississippi State
25. Sylvester Williams, DT, North Carolina
26. Dion Jordon, DE/OLB, Oregon
27. Alec Ogletree, MLB, Georgia
28. DJ Fluker, OT/OG, Alabama
29. Kawann Short, DT, Purdue
30. Alex Okafor, DE, Texas
31. Jesse Williams, NT, Alabama
32. Datone Jones, DE, UCLA
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DaRealdeal wrote:
Here is my big board. Rip it to shreds Laughing

1. Jarvis Jones, OLB/DE, Georgia
2. Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah
3. Damontre Moore, DE/OLB, Texas A&M
4. Chance Warmack, OG, Alabama
5. Bjorn Werner, DE, Florida State
6. Sheldon Richardson, DT, Missouri
7. Eric Fisher, OT, Central Michigan
8. Keenan Allen, WR, California
9. Luke Joeckel, OT, Texas A&M
10. Sam Montgomery, DE, LSU
11. Kenny Vaccaro, FS, Texas
12. Barkevious Mingo, DE, LSU
13. DeAndre Hopkins, WR, Clemson
14. Xavier Rhodes, CB, Florida State
15. Ezekial Ansah, DE, BYU
16. Lane Johnson, OT, Oklahoma
17. Justin Hunter, WR, Tennessee
18. Dee Milliner, CB, Alabama
19. Johnathan Hankins, DT, Ohio State
20. Jonathan Cooper, OG, North Carolina
21. Kevin Minter, MLB, LSU
22. Sharrif Floyd, DT, Florida
23. Tavon Austin, WR, West Virginia
24. Johnthan Banks, CB, Mississippi State
25. Sylvester Williams, DT, North Carolina
26. Dion Jordon, DE/OLB, Oregon
27. Alec Ogletree, MLB, Georgia
28. DJ Fluker, OT/OG, Alabama
29. Kawann Short, DT, Purdue
30. Alex Okafor, DE, Texas
31. Jesse Williams, NT, Alabama
32. Datone Jones, DE, UCLA

Impressed with how high you have Hopkins, probably the most ready NFL guy in the draft. I wanted to put him higher just have questions about his ability to separate and jump and get the ball... shifty and big, but not the most athletically gifted guy. But he runs good routes, and you will not find a more athletically gifted guy in the draft.

I have Milliner and Hankins a little higher than you, I think they are pretty safe bets but there are guys with more potential and I don't know if either will ever be an elite player. It was hard for put Rhodes behind Milliner, because if anyone has a chance to be shutdown corner in this draft.... its Rhodes, but there is some risk there. Minter almost squeaked into my top 32, as a Gator fan after watching how he played against us I was a huge fan.... he had 20ish tackles. Laughing

Love Tavon Austin, just hard for me to give him a first round grade. He gets compared to Percy and he's the same style of playmaker, but as a UF fan I don't know if there will ever be another Percy. Austin is small, Harvin was a strong 200 and could play on the outside/was a good receiver. Plus the guy had amazing open field ability and break away speed. I got Austin early round two, but I'd love for us to get him.

Kept Fluker right outside top 32, had him ranked there for a bit. Need to see more Datone Jones & Jesse Williams.

Overall like your big board a lot, I think we agree on a bunch of things. I feel like my big board will keep changing, many of these guys are ranked so tight for me.
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Soul Glo wrote:
Impressed with how high you have Hopkins, probably the most ready NFL guy in the draft. I wanted to put him higher just have questions about his ability to separate and jump and get the ball... shifty and big, but not the most athletically gifted guy. But he runs good routes, and you will not find a more athletically gifted guy in the draft.

I have Milliner and Hankins a little higher than you, I think they are pretty safe bets but there are guys with more potential and I don't know if either will ever be an elite player. It was hard for put Rhodes behind Milliner, because if anyone has a chance to be shutdown corner in this draft.... its Rhodes, but there is some risk there. Minter almost squeaked into my top 32, as a Gator fan after watching how he played against us I was a huge fan.... he had 20ish tackles. Laughing

Love Tavon Austin, just hard for me to give him a first round grade. He gets compared to Percy and he's the same style of playmaker, but as a UF fan I don't know if there will ever be another Percy. Austin is small, Harvin was a strong 200 and could play on the outside/was a good receiver. Plus the guy had amazing open field ability and break away speed. I got Austin early round two, but I'd love for us to get him.

Kept Fluker right outside top 32, had him ranked there for a bit. Need to see more Datone Jones & Jesse Williams.

Overall like your big board a lot, I think we agree on a bunch of things. I feel like my big board will keep changing, many of these guys are ranked so tight for me.

It's scary how much Hopkins reminds me of Roddy White. He's a tick slower, but their games are so similar to me. Not the biggest guys, but they have great body control...allowing them to make plays all over the field. He would be an awesome fit in St. Louis or Minnesota.

That's how I view Milliner too. Safe. In reality he has a lot of the same issues that Rhodes has; too grabby, lacks elite long speed, etc. Milliner is just more polished at this point. His transitions are spot on. Technique wise he needs very little work. I like him, but I don't necessarily see a star corner when I watch him. I do see that with Rhodes.

Hankins runs a little too hot and cold for my taste and I don't know if that's a conditioning issue or an effort issue. It's enough of an issue to make me nervous about him.

I love Minter. He's not a premier athlete, but his anticipation and instincts are phenomenal. He times snap counts perfectly. Very smart player and a great blitzer. He doesn't miss tackles either. Big, big fan of his.

Austin is a polished receiver. I don't see Austin playing much RB in the pros. He's enough of a match-up nightmare as a WR and a returner. As prospects I think that Percy was a little bit better because of his bulk, but Austin is right up there with him.

Looking over your board it seems like we agree on quite a bit. It just seems like we disagree on the QBs. I agree with the order (Geno #1, Wilson #2), I just don't have them that high.
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Soul Glo wrote:
Impressed with how high you have Hopkins, probably the most ready NFL guy in the draft. I wanted to put him higher just have questions about his ability to separate and jump and get the ball... shifty and big, but not the most athletically gifted guy. But he runs good routes, and you will not find a more athletically gifted guy in the draft.

I have Milliner and Hankins a little higher than you, I think they are pretty safe bets but there are guys with more potential and I don't know if either will ever be an elite player. It was hard for put Rhodes behind Milliner, because if anyone has a chance to be shutdown corner in this draft.... its Rhodes, but there is some risk there. Minter almost squeaked into my top 32, as a Gator fan after watching how he played against us I was a huge fan.... he had 20ish tackles. Laughing

Love Tavon Austin, just hard for me to give him a first round grade. He gets compared to Percy and he's the same style of playmaker, but as a UF fan I don't know if there will ever be another Percy. Austin is small, Harvin was a strong 200 and could play on the outside/was a good receiver. Plus the guy had amazing open field ability and break away speed. I got Austin early round two, but I'd love for us to get him.

Kept Fluker right outside top 32, had him ranked there for a bit. Need to see more Datone Jones & Jesse Williams.

Overall like your big board a lot, I think we agree on a bunch of things. I feel like my big board will keep changing, many of these guys are ranked so tight for me.

It's scary how much Hopkins reminds me of Roddy White. He's a tick slower, but their games are so similar to me. Not the biggest guys, but they have great body control...allowing them to make plays all over the field. He would be an awesome fit in St. Louis or Minnesota.

That's how I view Milliner too. Safe. In reality he has a lot of the same issues that Rhodes has; too grabby, lacks elite long speed, etc. Milliner is just more polished at this point. His transitions are spot on. Technique wise he needs very little work. I like him, but I don't necessarily see a star corner when I watch him. I do see that with Rhodes.

Hankins runs a little too hot and cold for my taste and I don't know if that's a conditioning issue or an effort issue. It's enough of an issue to make me nervous about him.

I love Minter. He's not a premier athlete, but his anticipation and instincts are phenomenal. He times snap counts perfectly. Very smart player and a great blitzer. He doesn't miss tackles either. Big, big fan of his.

Austin is a polished receiver. I don't see Austin playing much RB in the pros. He's enough of a match-up nightmare as a WR and a returner. As prospects I think that Percy was a little bit better because of his bulk, but Austin is right up there with him.

Looking over your board it seems like we agree on quite a bit. It just seems like we disagree on the QBs. I agree with the order (Geno #1, Wilson #2), I just don't have them that high.

Good comparison, never heard that one before. Mean to say he is the most Physical runner in this WR class, really impressive in that regard - seems to be a natural open field runner too.

That's not my issue with Hankins, I'm pretty impressed with the way he makes plays over the field (when he wants) for a guy that big and strong, his ranking might fall though as pass rush DT continue to become more valuable than run stuffing DT.

I'm a fan of Geno, smart QB with accuracy and great ball placement with a strong arm and good athlete. Runs hot n cold at times, needs to improve pocket footwork, and has some questions..... but top twenty prospect. Wilson to me is a borderline first rounder, barely fit in my top 32.
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I really don't like Tyler WIlson as much. To me, he throws to many short crossing routes and checkdowns. That's ok in college, but really didn't attack the defense.

Sr Bowl week, I saw too many wobblers on deeper throws towards the sidelines. Wasn't an accurate spiral. I really think he's more of a career back up. I don't necessarily see franchise QB in the NFL.

I honestly, after watching more film of these QBs after the senior bowl, I like Manuel a little more (not just performance in mobile, but watching more games., as with all QBs.) I'm starting to like more what I see out of Barkely.

TO be honest, I wouldn't take one QB in the 1st round. None really warrant that high of a grade. However, guys do have upside. I like Glennon, but he's still raw. Manuel has great upside as well.

Nassib, I wouldn't touch. His pocket presence is extremely poor and seems to break the pocket too early and doesn't maintain composure. Reminds me a bit of a Blaine Gabbert.
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REDandPEWTER wrote:
I really don't like Tyler WIlson as much. To me, he throws to many short crossing routes and checkdowns. That's ok in college, but really didn't attack the defense.

Sr Bowl week, I saw too many wobblers on deeper throws towards the sidelines. Wasn't an accurate spiral. I really think he's more of a career back up. I don't necessarily see franchise QB in the NFL.

I honestly, after watching more film of these QBs after the senior bowl, I like Manuel a little more (not just performance in mobile, but watching more games., as with all QBs.) I'm starting to like more what I see out of Barkely.

TO be honest, I wouldn't take one QB in the 1st round. None really warrant that high of a grade. However, guys do have upside. I like Glennon, but he's still raw. Manuel has great upside as well.

Nassib, I wouldn't touch. His pocket presence is extremely poor and seems to break the pocket too early and doesn't maintain composure. Reminds me a bit of a Blaine Gabbert.

I wouldn't say Wilson doesn't attack the defense... maybe not in the SB game, but come on thats the Senior Bowl game Laughing. He doesn't have the prettiest deep ball though. Manuel is what he is, potential. If wilson does not attack the defense, Barkley definitely does not. Glennon has potential, but I don't think raw is the best word to describe him.

Geno is worth a pick in the 1st by some team without a doubt in my mind.
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Soul Glo wrote:
REDandPEWTER wrote:
I really don't like Tyler WIlson as much. To me, he throws to many short crossing routes and checkdowns. That's ok in college, but really didn't attack the defense.

Sr Bowl week, I saw too many wobblers on deeper throws towards the sidelines. Wasn't an accurate spiral. I really think he's more of a career back up. I don't necessarily see franchise QB in the NFL.

I honestly, after watching more film of these QBs after the senior bowl, I like Manuel a little more (not just performance in mobile, but watching more games., as with all QBs.) I'm starting to like more what I see out of Barkely.

TO be honest, I wouldn't take one QB in the 1st round. None really warrant that high of a grade. However, guys do have upside. I like Glennon, but he's still raw. Manuel has great upside as well.

Nassib, I wouldn't touch. His pocket presence is extremely poor and seems to break the pocket too early and doesn't maintain composure. Reminds me a bit of a Blaine Gabbert.

I wouldn't say Wilson doesn't attack the defense... maybe not in the SB game, but come on thats the Senior Bowl game Laughing. He doesn't have the prettiest deep ball though. Manuel is what he is, potential. If wilson does not attack the defense, Barkley definitely does not. Glennon has potential, but I don't think raw is the best word to describe him.

Geno is worth a pick in the 1st by some team without a doubt in my mind.


If you read my post, I said I went back and watched him throughout the 2012 season, then mentioned the Sr Bowl tape only highlighted what I seen throughout the season. Very Happy

I watched the entire LSU game tape and I saw to many crossing patterns over the middle it seemed almost every throw. And they weren't even intermediate throws. More like the 3-5 yard range. Rarely I seen him attack a defense. and the rare time he did go deep, it was not a very well thrown ball. Lot of check downs and kind of stares down his first read a bit too often.

I just don't see a starting caliber QB in him.
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The more I watched Geno Smith as the season went on, the more questions I had about him and whether or not was he:

1. Product of that spread/gimmick offense.
2. Was his stats only as good as Austin and Bailey made them (lot of YAC for those two).

I liked his poise up until that Kansas State game. He just lose his composure in its entirety. Everyone (yes including myself) seemed like they were deeming him as this next great QB prospect and bought into the hype. But he really failed to finish the season strong.

I need to watch his Jr tape though to get an overall feel. I like his ability to go through reads. Has good pocket presence and 95% of the time, he seemed calm cool and collective. He's most likely going to be the top pick in the draft. PErsonally, I wouldn't take him there. I'd look at 10-15.

Let's just say this: if he were in the 2012 draft, I would have had him 5th QB behind Luck, RGIII Tanehill and Wilson.


But as Soulglo said, this draft has a bunch of raw QBs with potential to be starters in this league. But a lot of question marks surround them. Quite frankly, guys like Glennon, Manuel, and Smith could flourish if they sit and learn for a year. I'm not sure if most of them are ready to play day 1.
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REDandPEWTER wrote:
Soul Glo wrote:
REDandPEWTER wrote:
I really don't like Tyler WIlson as much. To me, he throws to many short crossing routes and checkdowns. That's ok in college, but really didn't attack the defense.

Sr Bowl week, I saw too many wobblers on deeper throws towards the sidelines. Wasn't an accurate spiral. I really think he's more of a career back up. I don't necessarily see franchise QB in the NFL.

I honestly, after watching more film of these QBs after the senior bowl, I like Manuel a little more (not just performance in mobile, but watching more games., as with all QBs.) I'm starting to like more what I see out of Barkely.

TO be honest, I wouldn't take one QB in the 1st round. None really warrant that high of a grade. However, guys do have upside. I like Glennon, but he's still raw. Manuel has great upside as well.

Nassib, I wouldn't touch. His pocket presence is extremely poor and seems to break the pocket too early and doesn't maintain composure. Reminds me a bit of a Blaine Gabbert.

I wouldn't say Wilson doesn't attack the defense... maybe not in the SB game, but come on thats the Senior Bowl game Laughing. He doesn't have the prettiest deep ball though. Manuel is what he is, potential. If wilson does not attack the defense, Barkley definitely does not. Glennon has potential, but I don't think raw is the best word to describe him.

Geno is worth a pick in the 1st by some team without a doubt in my mind.


If you read my post, I said I went back and watched him throughout the 2012 season, then mentioned the Sr Bowl tape only highlighted what I seen throughout the season. Very Happy

I watched the entire LSU game tape and I saw to many crossing patterns over the middle it seemed almost every throw. And they weren't even intermediate throws. More like the 3-5 yard range. Rarely I seen him attack a defense. and the rare time he did go deep, it was not a very well thrown ball. Lot of check downs and kind of stares down his first read a bit too often.

I just don't see a starting caliber QB in him.

I just don't think "not testing the defense" describes him, he throws a poor deep ball (not saying he has a weak arm though), but I've watched him make plenty of risky throws and has the confidence to fit in the window. & he has great field vision for a college QB.

He doesn't throw a great deep ball and is somewhat of a gunslinger and trys to do much at times, but extends plays/mature/accurate/poised/tough as nails. I don't think he'll ever be an elite one, but I think he has the tools to be a good one, not saying that he will though.
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Soul Glo wrote:
REDandPEWTER wrote:
Soul Glo wrote:
REDandPEWTER wrote:
I really don't like Tyler WIlson as much. To me, he throws to many short crossing routes and checkdowns. That's ok in college, but really didn't attack the defense.

Sr Bowl week, I saw too many wobblers on deeper throws towards the sidelines. Wasn't an accurate spiral. I really think he's more of a career back up. I don't necessarily see franchise QB in the NFL.

I honestly, after watching more film of these QBs after the senior bowl, I like Manuel a little more (not just performance in mobile, but watching more games., as with all QBs.) I'm starting to like more what I see out of Barkely.

TO be honest, I wouldn't take one QB in the 1st round. None really warrant that high of a grade. However, guys do have upside. I like Glennon, but he's still raw. Manuel has great upside as well.

Nassib, I wouldn't touch. His pocket presence is extremely poor and seems to break the pocket too early and doesn't maintain composure. Reminds me a bit of a Blaine Gabbert.

I wouldn't say Wilson doesn't attack the defense... maybe not in the SB game, but come on thats the Senior Bowl game Laughing. He doesn't have the prettiest deep ball though. Manuel is what he is, potential. If wilson does not attack the defense, Barkley definitely does not. Glennon has potential, but I don't think raw is the best word to describe him.

Geno is worth a pick in the 1st by some team without a doubt in my mind.


If you read my post, I said I went back and watched him throughout the 2012 season, then mentioned the Sr Bowl tape only highlighted what I seen throughout the season. Very Happy

I watched the entire LSU game tape and I saw to many crossing patterns over the middle it seemed almost every throw. And they weren't even intermediate throws. More like the 3-5 yard range. Rarely I seen him attack a defense. and the rare time he did go deep, it was not a very well thrown ball. Lot of check downs and kind of stares down his first read a bit too often.

I just don't see a starting caliber QB in him.

I just don't think "not testing the defense" describes him, he throws a poor deep ball (not saying he has a weak arm though), but I've watched him make plenty of risky throws and has the confidence to fit in the window. & he has great field vision for a college QB.

He doesn't throw a great deep ball and is somewhat of a gunslinger and trys to do much at times, but extends plays/mature/accurate/poised/tough as nails. I don't think he'll ever be an elite one, but I think he has the tools to be a good one, not saying that he will though.


Ive seen the Matt Ryan Comparison get thrown around a few times here and there but when I watch his JR tape a few times, it seemed like he made some errant and risky throws into coverage trying to fit balls in there. I'm not sure his arm is as strong as what many first said to believe.
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REDandPEWTER wrote:
Soul Glo wrote:
REDandPEWTER wrote:
Soul Glo wrote:
REDandPEWTER wrote:
I really don't like Tyler WIlson as much. To me, he throws to many short crossing routes and checkdowns. That's ok in college, but really didn't attack the defense.

Sr Bowl week, I saw too many wobblers on deeper throws towards the sidelines. Wasn't an accurate spiral. I really think he's more of a career back up. I don't necessarily see franchise QB in the NFL.

I honestly, after watching more film of these QBs after the senior bowl, I like Manuel a little more (not just performance in mobile, but watching more games., as with all QBs.) I'm starting to like more what I see out of Barkely.

TO be honest, I wouldn't take one QB in the 1st round. None really warrant that high of a grade. However, guys do have upside. I like Glennon, but he's still raw. Manuel has great upside as well.

Nassib, I wouldn't touch. His pocket presence is extremely poor and seems to break the pocket too early and doesn't maintain composure. Reminds me a bit of a Blaine Gabbert.

I wouldn't say Wilson doesn't attack the defense... maybe not in the SB game, but come on thats the Senior Bowl game Laughing. He doesn't have the prettiest deep ball though. Manuel is what he is, potential. If wilson does not attack the defense, Barkley definitely does not. Glennon has potential, but I don't think raw is the best word to describe him.

Geno is worth a pick in the 1st by some team without a doubt in my mind.


If you read my post, I said I went back and watched him throughout the 2012 season, then mentioned the Sr Bowl tape only highlighted what I seen throughout the season. Very Happy

I watched the entire LSU game tape and I saw to many crossing patterns over the middle it seemed almost every throw. And they weren't even intermediate throws. More like the 3-5 yard range. Rarely I seen him attack a defense. and the rare time he did go deep, it was not a very well thrown ball. Lot of check downs and kind of stares down his first read a bit too often.

I just don't see a starting caliber QB in him.

I just don't think "not testing the defense" describes him, he throws a poor deep ball (not saying he has a weak arm though), but I've watched him make plenty of risky throws and has the confidence to fit in the window. & he has great field vision for a college QB.

He doesn't throw a great deep ball and is somewhat of a gunslinger and trys to do much at times, but extends plays/mature/accurate/poised/tough as nails. I don't think he'll ever be an elite one, but I think he has the tools to be a good one, not saying that he will though.


Ive seen the Matt Ryan Comparison get thrown around a few times here and there but when I watch his JR tape a few times, it seemed like he made some errant and risky throws into coverage trying to fit balls in there. I'm not sure his arm is as strong as what many first said to believe.

agreed there. I see more Jay Cutler without the great arm strength, but more mobility and maturity
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Soul Glo wrote:
REDandPEWTER wrote:
Soul Glo wrote:
REDandPEWTER wrote:
Soul Glo wrote:
REDandPEWTER wrote:
I really don't like Tyler WIlson as much. To me, he throws to many short crossing routes and checkdowns. That's ok in college, but really didn't attack the defense.

Sr Bowl week, I saw too many wobblers on deeper throws towards the sidelines. Wasn't an accurate spiral. I really think he's more of a career back up. I don't necessarily see franchise QB in the NFL.

I honestly, after watching more film of these QBs after the senior bowl, I like Manuel a little more (not just performance in mobile, but watching more games., as with all QBs.) I'm starting to like more what I see out of Barkely.

TO be honest, I wouldn't take one QB in the 1st round. None really warrant that high of a grade. However, guys do have upside. I like Glennon, but he's still raw. Manuel has great upside as well.

Nassib, I wouldn't touch. His pocket presence is extremely poor and seems to break the pocket too early and doesn't maintain composure. Reminds me a bit of a Blaine Gabbert.

I wouldn't say Wilson doesn't attack the defense... maybe not in the SB game, but come on thats the Senior Bowl game Laughing. He doesn't have the prettiest deep ball though. Manuel is what he is, potential. If wilson does not attack the defense, Barkley definitely does not. Glennon has potential, but I don't think raw is the best word to describe him.

Geno is worth a pick in the 1st by some team without a doubt in my mind.


If you read my post, I said I went back and watched him throughout the 2012 season, then mentioned the Sr Bowl tape only highlighted what I seen throughout the season. Very Happy

I watched the entire LSU game tape and I saw to many crossing patterns over the middle it seemed almost every throw. And they weren't even intermediate throws. More like the 3-5 yard range. Rarely I seen him attack a defense. and the rare time he did go deep, it was not a very well thrown ball. Lot of check downs and kind of stares down his first read a bit too often.

I just don't see a starting caliber QB in him.

I just don't think "not testing the defense" describes him, he throws a poor deep ball (not saying he has a weak arm though), but I've watched him make plenty of risky throws and has the confidence to fit in the window. & he has great field vision for a college QB.

He doesn't throw a great deep ball and is somewhat of a gunslinger and trys to do much at times, but extends plays/mature/accurate/poised/tough as nails. I don't think he'll ever be an elite one, but I think he has the tools to be a good one, not saying that he will though.


Ive seen the Matt Ryan Comparison get thrown around a few times here and there but when I watch his JR tape a few times, it seemed like he made some errant and risky throws into coverage trying to fit balls in there. I'm not sure his arm is as strong as what many first said to believe.

agreed there. I see more Jay Cutler without the great arm strength, but more mobility and maturity


Ehh I had a problem with the way he publicly questioned the heart of his team to the media after the Bama disaster. That's something you don't want to say to the media, as it only adds more negative fuel to the media.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Russ Lande at it again...

Apparently, Ryan Nassib was so impressive (what is this, I don't even) during the Senior Bowl he is now the top prospect in the draft.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFPS-Top-200-Draft-Prospects-Version-50.html


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