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Dropkick_pride


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Stephens has ONE sack in 19 games... He is camp fodder. There are already too many LBs on the team and we have to cut some.


This is a bit narrow minded.

Stephens had 70 snaps this year rushing the passer. Not 19 games.

He had
1 sack
8 hurries.

Thats a ratio that puts him 16th best in the league for 43 DE's. And that was also primarily from the right side as well.


I think your view is more narrow than mine... I'm looking at his entire career, your looking at 70 snaps.

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fair enough, I gave you his numbers for this year, so here's 2011

he had 50 snaps rushing, with 3 pressures, not a good ratio.

He had zero snaps in 2010.

But still. He improved in year two before being put on I.R.

I think he deserves a chance to show his worth. Worst case we cut him and take half his salary in a cap it. no biggie.


Yes... True.... But that does give us Stephens, English, hall, and Adams all competing for two spots...

ILB is a bit swollen as well...
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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-I'll put together a WR list over the weekend. That one will take some time since there are so many to deal with.

-Thanks Reg for the spreadsheet, looks great

- What is the asking price for Pettigrew?



I PM'd the detroit GM asking their price
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Jets called and said they would consider a swap of 1sts and send Kyle Wilson our way. They pick #9 with Arizona and Buffalo inbetween us.


This is a terrible idea.

I'd give Wilson a 5th round value. That trade would give him a high third round value. He's not that bad, he's just not that good at anything either. And with the plethora or CB's in FA, its a bad idea.


OK, so here are Wilsons' stats

snaps- 966
% catches allowed- 54.8%
YAC/ Rec- 21.1
TD- 2
INT-1
PD- 3
MT- 5
Pen- 5

He's not bad, but he's not good. He's definitely not worth a 3rd round pick.


What is he worth to you?

Or is it not even worth pursuing at all?


That much. Wink


Doesnt mean he would fit into your plans at that value Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My position by position thoughts right now.

CB - I think this FA CB class is fantastic, I think there are at least 4 guys available who would solve our #2 CB need for sure, I think between Wade, Skrine, and Bademosi we are okay for backups/slot guys.

OLB - I think we need to get someone in FA for depth and to help with the transition as well as someone in the draft to give us a long range starter.

TE - If we don't resign Watson we're gonna need a starter and a blocking backup.

FS - I think we should aggressively pursue one in FA and then look to the draft if we don't get one we like.

DE - I'd like to get one with experience in the 3-4 to go with Taylor/Hughes/Winn/Rucker, but talking a minimum salary pure backup type.

OG - Wouldn't hurt to get an upgraded starter, but I think we could also survive with a depth signing and another year for Lauvao/Pinkston to develop and mesh.

WR - Would like to get one more above average receiver, preferably a veteran with reliable hands.

RB - I'm in the camp that would like a change of pace guy to be the #3, but OGBYN coming back would not be the end of the world.

P - We need a punter, whether we get one in FA or the 6th/7th doesn't matter much to me.

So in summary, we should go after a #2 CB, Good OLB, Starting TE, #2/3 WR, elite FS, depth guard, punter, speedy RB, and depth 3-4 DE in FA.

Not saying we'll get all of them, but we should make a play for them.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lions want late 2nd early 3rd for pettigrew
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Lions want late 2nd early 3rd for pettigrew


Hmmm... We don't have a second and I like our third.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Offense

QB- Brandon Weeden, Colt McCoy, Thaddeus Lewis
RB- Trent Richardson, Montario Hardesty
FB: Brad Smelley, Owen Marecic
WR: Josh Gordon, Greg Little, Travis Benjamin, Josh Cooper
TE: Jordan Cameron, Dan Gronkowski
LT: Joe Thomas, Oniel Cousins
LG: Jason Pinkston, John Greco
C: Alex Mack
RG: Shawn Lauvao, Jarrod Shaw
RT: Mitchell Schwartz, Ryan Miller

Defense

DE- Frostee Rucker, Billy Winn
NT- Ahtyba Rubin, Ishmaa'ily Kitchen
DE- Phillip Taylor, John Hughes, Brian Sanford
OLB: Auston English, Hall Davis
ILB: D'Qwell Jackson, L.J. Fort, Tank Carder, Craig Robertson, Adrian Moten, Emmanuel Acho, Solomon Elimimian
ILB: Chris Gocong, James Michael-Johnson
OLB: Jabaal Sheard, Kendrick Adams
CB: Joe Haden, Buster Skrine, Trevin Wade, Johnson Bademosi, Prince Miller, Kent Richardson
FS: Usama Young, Tashaun Gipson
SS: TJ Ward, Eric Hagg

Special teams

P:
K:
LS:

Defensive players underlined above would be first round of cuts for me.....

ERFA/RFA's listed in GREEN
UFA's listed in RED

Sheldon Brown
Joshua Cribbs
Phil Dawson sign
Scot Fujita
Reggie Hodges
Brandon Jackson
Josh Johnson
Kaluka Maiava
Mohamed Massaquoi
Juqua Parker
Alex Smith
Benjamin Watson
Ray Ventrone

Stanley Daniels
Jordan Norwood
Chris Ogbonnaya
Emmanuel Stephens
Eddie Williams
Christian Yount sign
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So in summary, we should go after a #2 CB, Good OLB, Starting TE, #2/3 WR, elite FS, depth guard, punter, speedy RB, and depth 3-4 DE in FA.

Not saying we'll get all of them, but we should make a play for them.


Depth at OG is not needed, starter if anything.

Depth at 34 DE is not needed at all IMO. We are actually going to have to cut someone (Sanford)
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ERFA/RFA's listed in GREEN
UFA's listed in RED

Sheldon Brown Possible Resign
Joshua Cribbs
Phil Dawson. Resign
Scot Fujita
Reggie Hodges
Brandon Jackson
Josh Johnson
Kaluka Maiava
Mohamed Massaquoi
Juqua Parker
Alex Smith
Benjamin Watson Possible Resign
Ray Ventrone

Stanley Daniels
Jordan Norwood
Chris Ogbonnaya
Emmanuel Stephens
Eddie Williams
Christian Yount Lowest Tender

This is what I would look to do.

What would the lowest tender for Ogbonnaya cost?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So in summary, we should go after a #2 CB, Good OLB, Starting TE, #2/3 WR, elite FS, depth guard, punter, speedy RB, and depth 3-4 DE in FA.

Not saying we'll get all of them, but we should make a play for them.


Depth at OG is not needed, starter if anything.

Depth at 34 DE is not needed at all IMO. We are actually going to have to cut someone (Sanford)


Assuming we don't get a starter at OG, I'd like to get a solid backup for OG/OT. We assume our depth is good because our LT, RT, and C missed a total of 0 snaps all year. Our current second string LT is Oniel Cousins, and Ryan Miller is the only one behind him. So I guess I'm saying I agree, but I would feel much better with a 3rd OT and it wouldn't hurt if he could play G too.

As for DE, like I said I'm interested in someone who has past experience in the 3-4, not so much for depth as for the experience factor. But obviously, the priority on this one is waaay behind CB, OLB, FS, TE, WR, P and probably OT and RB too.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Dropkick_pride wrote:
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So in summary, we should go after a #2 CB, Good OLB, Starting TE, #2/3 WR, elite FS, depth guard, punter, speedy RB, and depth 3-4 DE in FA.

Not saying we'll get all of them, but we should make a play for them.


Depth at OG is not needed, starter if anything.

Depth at 34 DE is not needed at all IMO. We are actually going to have to cut someone (Sanford)


Assuming we don't get a starter at OG, I'd like to get a solid backup for OG/OT. We assume our depth is good because our LT, RT, and C missed a total of 0 snaps all year. Our current second string LT is Oniel Cousins, and Ryan Miller is the only one behind him. So I guess I'm saying I agree, but I would feel much better with a 3rd OT and it wouldn't hurt if he could play G too.

As for DE, like I said I'm interested in someone who has past experience in the 3-4, not so much for depth as for the experience factor. But obviously, the priority on this one is waaay behind CB, OLB, FS, TE, WR, P and probably OT and RB too.


Got ya. Very Happy


I'm going to go back up an underline guys I would cut from defense sooner rather than later. Haha
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are the tenders for OBGYN and Norwood?

If cheap, i'd like to retain them.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Herro? Is anyone there?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Herro? Is anyone there?


Ogby was a 7th and Norwood was undrafted....don't know what the tenders would be though
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Herro? Is anyone there?


I'm here Shocked
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