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| Looks like it was out of instinct. What don't players get fined for nowadays? |
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Well deserved, it didn't look an accident at all.
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Reminded me of a slide into 2nd base to blow up a double play. That being said, I could see a person raising their leg like that to protect themselves if they thought someone was falling on them. Given the subjectivity of the slide/kick/whatever, the fine seems appropriate IMO. The Ravens won and Reed wasn't injured...I've moved on.
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| The Third Rider wrote: | | Meh, considering Brady doesn't have any on or off the field issues I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on that slide. It was stupid on his part to do it, no discussion there but I don't think he is the type to want to injure another player. |
Yeah, I think there are some folks who are COMPLETELY blowing this out of proportion. OMGZ, he could of hurt Ed Reed on that play!!11!!!1!
Guess what, it's FOOTBALL. People get hurt.
There are some who freak out about a QB who is sliding and extending a leg, calling it a career altering/career ending/life altering injury...yet to many of those SAME folks, Ed Reed can wield his head and helmet as a wrecking ball at someone else's head, and the league taking ANY sort of stand on that suddenly means we're going to switch to flag football and Goodell is ruining the sport and is a greedy punk who is taking all the money?
Seems a bit conflicted. Make up your mind, guys.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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I think what happened was, because Tom Brady runs so slowly, his brain goes into a trance-like state when he starts running, but this time when he went into the slide, something malfunctioned and his trance was broken later than normal, so even after he went down, his brain kept telling his legs to move.
... That's my theory. What've you got?
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| Don't forget that vicious play where he ran full speed and tried to barrel that poor umpire over! |
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SnA ExclusiVe
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| Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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| EliteTexan80 wrote: | | The Third Rider wrote: | | Meh, considering Brady doesn't have any on or off the field issues I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on that slide. It was stupid on his part to do it, no discussion there but I don't think he is the type to want to injure another player. |
Yeah, I think there are some folks who are COMPLETELY blowing this out of proportion. OMGZ, he could of hurt Ed Reed on that play!!11!!!1!
Guess what, it's FOOTBALL. People get hurt.
There are some who freak out about a QB who is sliding and extending a leg, calling it a career altering/career ending/life altering injury...yet to many of those SAME folks, Ed Reed can wield his head and helmet as a wrecking ball at someone else's head, and the league taking ANY sort of stand on that suddenly means we're going to switch to flag football and Goodell is ruining the sport and is a greedy punk who is taking all the money?
Seems a bit conflicted. Make up your mind, guys. |
That's not the point. Defensive players get flagged nowadays for breathing on offensive players, but when offensive players do something that appears to be intentional they should be "given the benefit of the doubt"? Defensive players get penalized AND flagged for offensive players ducking into H2H hits that would've been completely clean had they not ducked into them, but offensive players shouldn't be held accountable for their "reactions"?
I think no.
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| SnA ExclusiVe wrote: | | EliteTexan80 wrote: | | The Third Rider wrote: | | Meh, considering Brady doesn't have any on or off the field issues I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on that slide. It was stupid on his part to do it, no discussion there but I don't think he is the type to want to injure another player. |
Yeah, I think there are some folks who are COMPLETELY blowing this out of proportion. OMGZ, he could of hurt Ed Reed on that play!!11!!!1!
Guess what, it's FOOTBALL. People get hurt.
There are some who freak out about a QB who is sliding and extending a leg, calling it a career altering/career ending/life altering injury...yet to many of those SAME folks, Ed Reed can wield his head and helmet as a wrecking ball at someone else's head, and the league taking ANY sort of stand on that suddenly means we're going to switch to flag football and Goodell is ruining the sport and is a greedy punk who is taking all the money?
Seems a bit conflicted. Make up your mind, guys. |
That's not the point. Defensive players get flagged nowadays for breathing on offensive players, but when offensive players do something that appears to be intentional they should be "given the benefit of the doubt"? Defensive players get penalized AND flagged for offensive players ducking into H2H hits that would've been completely clean had they not ducked into them, but offensive players shouldn't be held accountable for their "reactions"?
I think no. |
What are you even complaining about? The guy was fined. It's no different than when a defender does something. I STRONGLY doubt Brady was thinking about kicking and hurting Reed while he was sliding, just as I doubt guys like Reed are thinking about taking someone's head off when they hit them.
Anyway, for the people complaining about the Gore fine, isn't it because Gore is a repeat offender? I don't think Brady has been fined before so that's the way it works.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:48 am Post subject: |
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| Yibbyl wrote: | | Reminded me of a slide into 2nd base to blow up a double play. That being said, I could see a person raising their leg like that to protect themselves if they thought someone was falling on them. Given the subjectivity of the slide/kick/whatever, the fine seems appropriate IMO. The Ravens won and Reed wasn't injured...I've moved on. |
You're the only one. I won't be satisfied until Brady is banned from the NFL after this crap he pulled. I heard he had a knife in his turf shoe.
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So $10k for the slide and Gore gets $10,500 for wearing his socks too low.
This league is such a joke. 
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| Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:03 am Post subject: |
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| SnA ExclusiVe wrote: |
That's not the point. Defensive players get flagged nowadays for breathing on offensive players, |
Brady got fined for it, so what is wrong here?
| Quote: | | but when offensive players do something that appears to be intentional they should be "given the benefit of the doubt"? |
I only give Brady the benefit of the doubt on whether there was a malicious intent behind that slide. If in 12 seasons his worst offense is a "could have injured a player on a bad slide", then yes, I give him the benefit of the doubt.
| Quote: | Defensive players get penalized AND flagged for offensive players ducking into H2H hits that would've been completely clean had they not ducked into them, but offensive players shouldn't be held accountable for their "reactions"?
I think no. |
I think most people here agree that Brady deserves the fine, even if he didn't actually injure anyone. Now I don't disagree that there is a double standard between how the NFL treats both the Offense and Defense. However, the problem is people acting all outraged that "it could have ended Reed's career" and other hyperbole when he himself takes many and even worst shots at other players. Heck I have even seen Reed take worst hits and never heard such outrageous comments about those hits.
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| SnA ExclusiVe wrote: | | EliteTexan80 wrote: | | The Third Rider wrote: | | Meh, considering Brady doesn't have any on or off the field issues I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on that slide. It was stupid on his part to do it, no discussion there but I don't think he is the type to want to injure another player. |
Yeah, I think there are some folks who are COMPLETELY blowing this out of proportion. OMGZ, he could of hurt Ed Reed on that play!!11!!!1!
Guess what, it's FOOTBALL. People get hurt.
There are some who freak out about a QB who is sliding and extending a leg, calling it a career altering/career ending/life altering injury...yet to many of those SAME folks, Ed Reed can wield his head and helmet as a wrecking ball at someone else's head, and the league taking ANY sort of stand on that suddenly means we're going to switch to flag football and Goodell is ruining the sport and is a greedy punk who is taking all the money?
Seems a bit conflicted. Make up your mind, guys. |
That's not the point. Defensive players get flagged nowadays for breathing on offensive players, but when offensive players do something that appears to be intentional they should be "given the benefit of the doubt"? |
How is he given the benefit of anything? Guy just had to write a $10,000 check. Over the course of a 10+ year career this is his first fine, and it's on par with what other first time offenders have been fined for.
If anything, Brady wasn't given the benefit in comparison to others. He was held to the same standards as his peers was - which is what we all want, right?
| Quote: | Defensive players get penalized AND flagged for offensive players ducking into H2H hits that would've been completely clean had they not ducked into them, but offensive players shouldn't be held accountable for their "reactions"?
I think no. |
Is he or is he not getting fined? I'd call that being held accountable.
You talk about the penalty and flags, but how many times have we seen no flags hit the field, but a FedEx letter sent after the fact? Antonio Smith was fined for his W1 altercation with Richie Incognito, where Smith started to stomp on Incognito's head and shoulders while both players were on the ground. Smith was fined $11,000 for that. Now, was there a flag on that play, a play that had MORE malicious intent then a Johnny Cage-esque slide? Nope.
There are times in which refs don't throw the flag. Not just on these plays, but MANY plays.
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I remember how all hell broke loose when Ndamukong Suh did a similar thing.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:58 am Post subject: |
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To the guys who responded to my post:
That's exactly my point - Brady was held to the same standards as other people. I'm saying that to the people who think it wasn't malicious - that's not the point. The point is that it was dangerous, so he should be held to the same standards that other people are, and he was.
I guess I just kind of worded it in a confusing way, sowwy 
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| fsubrowns9510 wrote: | So $10k for the slide and Gore gets $10,500 for wearing his socks too low.
This league is such a joke. |
$10k for a 1st time offense for a potentially dangerous slide.
$10.5k for a 2nd violation of dress code.
Seems about right to me.
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