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bruceb
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| bruceb wrote: | | nugpimpen wrote: | | bruceb wrote: | | ditchdigger wrote: | | bruceb wrote: | The thing that bothers me the most about hiring Lombardi is that I like the other high level hirings.
Not wild about Chud, but Chud + Turner + Horton = Very solid.
Lombardi seems like a red-haired step child added to the mix, and I can't make heads or tails of it in comparison to the other hirings. |
Are you not offended by the sham "process to find the right guy"? Or does Banner get the free pass that you never gave Holmgren? |
Holmgren was a highly paid putz.
Banner might well be, too. I don't know, and am trying to figure it out.
I just can't reconcile what I consider a solid team with the rest of the picks with Lombardi, who's track record sucks.
Part of me is thinking: Ok, the rest are ok, so this one must be, too.
But Lombardi? What in the hell has he ever done right to merit this kind of a job? |
How come you are waiting on Banner but pounced right on Holmgren and didn't give him a chance? |
Because Holmgren was a putz from day one...no question in my mind about it.
Banner. at least, has given us Chud, Turner and Horton.
More than a little better and lot less crony than Shurmur, Shurmur and Jauron.
I still wonder what Holmgren's "take" was on those decisions. |
Or, perhaps more correctly, his "cut" from those and all the LaMonte clients that followed.
I firmly believe that was one reason why he was so summarily dismissed.
Another conundrum: I get why would Haslam/Banner reacted so negatively to Holmgren's agent feeding hires. But why not Haslam with one that seems to have no basis except an experience at a place far away, in a time long ago?
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bruceb
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| bruceb wrote: | | bruceb wrote: | | nugpimpen wrote: | | bruceb wrote: | | ditchdigger wrote: | | bruceb wrote: | The thing that bothers me the most about hiring Lombardi is that I like the other high level hirings.
Not wild about Chud, but Chud + Turner + Horton = Very solid.
Lombardi seems like a red-haired step child added to the mix, and I can't make heads or tails of it in comparison to the other hirings. |
Are you not offended by the sham "process to find the right guy"? Or does Banner get the free pass that you never gave Holmgren? |
Holmgren was a highly paid putz.
Banner might well be, too. I don't know, and am trying to figure it out.
I just can't reconcile what I consider a solid team with the rest of the picks with Lombardi, who's track record sucks.
Part of me is thinking: Ok, the rest are ok, so this one must be, too.
But Lombardi? What in the hell has he ever done right to merit this kind of a job? |
How come you are waiting on Banner but pounced right on Holmgren and didn't give him a chance? |
Because Holmgren was a putz from day one...no question in my mind about it.
Banner. at least, has given us Chud, Turner and Horton.
More than a little better and lot less crony than Shurmur, Shurmur and Jauron.
I still wonder what Holmgren's "take" was on those decisions. |
Or, perhaps more correctly, his "cut" from those and all the LaMonte clients that followed.
I firmly believe that was one reason why he was so summarily dismissed.
Another conundrum: I get why would Haslam/Banner reacted so negatively to Holmgren's agent feeding hires. But why not Haslam with one that seems to have no basis except an experience at a place far away, in a time long ago? |
Why did none of of these so-called high league sources that reportedly said "if you can get him, get him" never take him somewhere along the way?
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Estonianzulu
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:04 am Post subject: |
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| Listening to his interview on WKNR... Weed's is gone |
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zelbell
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:12 am Post subject: |
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| Estonianzulu wrote: | | Listening to his interview on WKNR... Weed's is gone |
Well thats just great....starting over at QB once again....what else is new  |
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buno67
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:40 am Post subject: |
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| zelbell wrote: | | Estonianzulu wrote: | | Listening to his interview on WKNR... Weed's is gone |
Well thats just great....starting over at QB once again....what else is new |
well everything else has been restarted, why have a new coaching staff and etc and not allow them to get a QB they want. I would love to see what Weeden can do but im not gonna get made if he is gone.
Coaches and QBs are too important, specially for one another. I would like Chud to use the QB he wants, if he doesnt want Weeden so be it. Just wonder what QB he wants...
Good job tom heckert ...
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BrownieTheElf
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| Estonianzulu wrote: | | Listening to his interview on WKNR... Weed's is gone |
Give us a quote por favor?
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DawgSoldier
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| poorbytehshore wrote: | Lombardi needs to make the all important correct decision at 6 to start winning over the skeptics.
The way I see it, that shouldn't be too hard not to get wrong.
Star Lotulelei - YES
Damontre Moore - Like him
Jarvis Jones - Like him but obviously medical concerns
Dee Miliner - Best corner in the draft but more of a zone guy than man.
Chance Warmack - Maybe the best player in the draft. Beast.
Bjoern Werner - Ok but doesn't suit us I think.
Barkavious Mingo - Love his potential as a 34 OLB, maybe with a trade back.
Considering Geno and Joeckel should both likely be gone before we pick, at least 4 of the above will be on the board at #6. No excuses for us not to come out of the first round with a player we have graded out highly and feel good about it. |
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Jordon has a Torn Labrum and Playing Weight issues.
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/cfb/131332/dion-jordan
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/kenjon-barner-dion-jordan-starred-oregon-nfl-challenge-013658726--nfl.html
Double redflags
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Estonianzulu
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| BrownieTheElf wrote: | | Estonianzulu wrote: | | Listening to his interview on WKNR... Weed's is gone |
Give us a quote por favor? |
It wasn't what was said, it was what wasn't said. Rizzo asked him straight up (paraphrasing here)
'There has been a lot made of the fact that the new staff has been given ample opportunity to say anything positive regarding Brandon Weeden but nothing has been said. What do you think of Brandon?'
Lombardi- 'we are reviewing all our players'
Effectively, Rizzo gave him a softball to say anything nice about Weeden (Good arm, strong in the pocket, lots of potential, any catchphrase or cliche he wanted) and Lombardi blew it off completely. He's so far gone from Weeden he wont even say the standard lines about him. |
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fsubrowns9510
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Estonianzulu wrote: | | BrownieTheElf wrote: | | Estonianzulu wrote: | | Listening to his interview on WKNR... Weed's is gone |
Give us a quote por favor? |
It wasn't what was said, it was what wasn't said. Rizzo asked him straight up (paraphrasing here)
'There has been a lot made of the fact that the new staff has been given ample opportunity to say anything positive regarding Brandon Weeden but nothing has been said. What do you think of Brandon?'
Lombardi- 'we are reviewing all our players'
Effectively, Rizzo gave him a softball to say anything nice about Weeden (Good arm, strong in the pocket, lots of potential, any catchphrase or cliche he wanted) and Lombardi blew it off completely. He's so far gone from Weeden he wont even say the standard lines about him. |
Ugh.
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DawgSoldier
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context: Has Chud or Turner even reviewed Weeden's tape or spoke to him?
After all Weeden is miles better than DA and Chud worked miracles with him.
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Estonianzulu
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| DawgSoldier wrote: | | context: Has Chud or Turner even reviewed Weeden's tape or spoke to him? |
well, I hope Turner has given that he had to play against Weeden. But as to Chud or speaking to him, who knows. |
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ReggieCamp
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Estonianzulu wrote: | | DawgSoldier wrote: | | context: Has Chud or Turner even reviewed Weeden's tape or spoke to him? |
well, I hope Turner has given that he had to play against Weeden. But as to Chud or speaking to him, who knows. |
I just saw a brief clip from Chud, and he did say that he has already spent time with Weeden.
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roger murdock
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Its been pretty clear to me that we are moving on from Weeden. I doubt hes on the team next year. Chud hasn't said anything about him either.
I mean why would anyone who hasn't invested anything in him be excited by him? He will be 30 years old by game 5 next year and has shown almost nothing. Why take a risk on a 30 year old project when you can easily move on and nobody will blame you.
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| roger murdock wrote: | Its been pretty clear to me that we are moving on from Weeden. I doubt hes on the team next year. Chud hasn't said anything about him either.
I mean why would anyone who hasn't invested anything in him be excited by him? He will be 30 years old by game 5 next year and has shown almost nothing. Why take a risk on a 30 year old project when you can easily move on and nobody will blame you. |
If Weeden isn't on the team next year I'd be surprised. There simply isn't that much out there that would be an improvement. I could possibly see Alex Smith coming in if he's released but that seems like a stop gap move that wouldn't need to happen if Weeden is kept. I hope the brass thinks Weeden is good enough until their guy comes in the draft. I also hope their guy isn't in this draft.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Lombardi's opinions on recently drafted players, plus his dubious draft record overall combine to mean one thing - we're screwed. |
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