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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think it will be a priority to sign elm street long term this off season.. He's finally becoming the player a lot of us hoped he would become and pass rushers are hard to come by.. With a healthy Suggs and Kruger playing at a high level our d will be almost back to our old days... I think Webb and ckykie brown would be a good starting cb duo. Lets draft us a ilb and a tackle and we will be good to go


Yup, I just cannot see this team letting Kruger walk. I can't. Not with the way pass rushers are regarded in this league, and with Suggs getting up there in age and who knows what he's going to be like next year (if he's even healthy by then), we HAVE to sign Kruger.

For next year, we need to fill voids at ILB (Lewis retiring, Ellerbe/McClain hitting FA), FS (Reed likely retiring), and DL (who knows what we have at NT right now, and we need a LE).

I think Chykie Brown is DEFINITELY showing something to the coaches to prepare himself to be a starter next year, along with Corey Graham and obviously Webb. Hopefully Jimmy Smith can figure his act out and play like a 1st rounder, or else he's pretty much done for.


It will all come down to $$ like it always does -- right player, right price. I like Kruger and think we should try to keep him -- but I don't view him as a $10M/year player which is likely what he'll get.


Well if we let him walk you can escalate pass rusher to our #1 draft need, as usual Dancing


Silver-lining, we would have a good chance of getting a 2014 3rd round comp pick Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would really like for the Ravens to find a reasonable way to keep Kruger around. That doesn't seem too likely though in my opinion. They definitely need his pass-rushing ability but with how highly those guys are valued it seems like he's going to get a big offer from somebody. Here's some more figures tweeted by Aaron Wilson today:

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For 2013 fiscal year, Ravens have 42 contracts currently on books, including $1.8 million in dead money for released kicker Billy Cundiff


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Ravens' current 2013 total is $108.329 million against salary cap.


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That includes middle linebacker Ray Lewis' $7.3 million cap figure before retirement, which creates $4.35 million in savings agains cap


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Ravens' top cap figures for 2013: Suggs $13 million, Ngata $11.5 million, Boldin $7.5 million, Yanda $7.45 million, Lewis $7.3 million


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Shapes up as a tight cap situation for Ravens, especially if Joe Flacco gets franchised. FAs Kruger, Ellerbe, Williams will be expensive


With Lewis retiring that leaves roughly $103.98 million against the salary cap for 41 players. If the salary cap stays around $120 million like it's expected to that leaves the Ravens with about $16 million in cap space before they tender their RFAs and EFAs. Add in either a new deal or the franchise tag for Flacco and that more than takes up whatever cap space the Ravens have available. I know this isn't anything new but I'm just giving everybody an idea on what the actual figures are roughly going to look like.

As of now I'm expecting them to keep Boldin around and they'll probably give him an extension that significantly lowers his cap figure for next season. The same goes for Jones. I'd like to see a quality receiver prospect brought in but in that situation there wouldn't be a lot of room for anybody else and a receiver group of Boldin, Smith, and Jones isn't terrible (and could look pretty good when used correctly).

Getting back on the topic of cap management I think it would be tough to restructure the contracts for either Suggs or Ngata given how much it would increase their cap figures for future years. Yanda just had his deal restructured in March so I'm not sure how likely of a candidate he would be either. Then the next two biggest cap figures on the roster are the contracts for Rice and Webb who each come in at over $5 million. They could be good candidates for restructuring. It's tough with the Ravens because they don't really have any bad contracts there's just a bunch of moderate figures.

To keep Kruger alone, not even considering the other non-Flacco free agents like Reed, Ellerbe, and maybe Williams (I hope he signs somewhere else), would take some work assuming he's looking for or offered a deal upwards of $9 million a year on average. Of course if he gets a deal like what Ray Edwards receiving from the Falcons ($30 million over 6 years with $11 million guaranteed) then it could be reasonably doable.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lewis retiring definitely helps the cap situation (and avoids awkwardness next season). I think Ellerbe comes back, but I think Williams and Kruger are both going to be gone. While I'd like Kruger back, I think that he has played himself into a contract of 9M a year+ which just might be too much to swallow. I think Williams will be severely overpaid somewhere by a team that's putrid in the secondary so I don't even really think about that one.

Regarding the WR situation, I definitely think that Boldin gets extended to lower 2013 cap number. Before the season I thought Jacoby would be a one-year guy, but I've LOVED him on ST's and I think he is a solid contributor as the 3rd WR. Maybe lower his cap number with a 3 year deal (i.e. 2 year extension), rolling a bunch of his current base into a SB? I would like another WR prospect, but I don't mind rolling into next season with LaQuan Williams, Tandon Doss, Tommy Streeter, and Deonte Thompson competing for the #4 and #5 spots.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But what do we do with Ed? I'm fairly certain that he stated he wanted to keep playing during the regular season. It'd kill me to see him in a Patriot or Jets uni.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But what do we do with Ed? I'm fairly certain that he stated he wanted to keep playing during the regular season. It'd kill me to see him in a Patriot or Jets uni.


Well if Ed wants to keep playing, that's on him. I think we release him after this season, or seriously try to push him into retirement because at this stage it makes no sense to have him play next year unless he shows significant improvement in coverage and tackling, which isn't likely.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But what do we do with Ed? I'm fairly certain that he stated he wanted to keep playing during the regular season. It'd kill me to see him in a Patriot or Jets uni.


Do what we did with Ray after 2008. Let him test the market and see what his value really is and hope we can get him back.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a feeling that if we don't make it to the Super Bowl at a minimum this year that Ed becomes a ring-chaser and signs with New England in the offseason. Him and Belichick have some weird bro-love going on. Might have something to do with the fact that they both look/dress like homeless dudes.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have a feeling that if we don't make it to the Super Bowl at a minimum this year that Ed becomes a ring-chaser and signs with New England in the offseason. Him and Belichick have some weird bro-love going on. Might have something to do with the fact that they both look/dress like homeless dudes.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have a feeling that if we don't make it to the Super Bowl at a minimum this year that Ed becomes a ring-chaser and signs with New England in the offseason. Him and Belichick have some weird bro-love going on. Might have something to do with the fact that they both look/dress like homeless dudes.


I don't know. Homelessness is cold enough in Bmore, can you imagine NE? I could see him going to NOLA. I'd love him back though. If we bring him back, he'll likely be "cheaper." He was the highest paid safety in the league this year IIRC and had proration related to his SB factored in. If I'm not mistaken, his total cap number was somewhere ~9.5M. Even on a somewhat sweetheart deal (big bonus, backloaded in terms of base) I think we could easily fit him in and treat him year-to-year.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This says we have 15.7 in space. Is this accurate and if so is it before Lewis is off the books?

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2012/story/_/id/8822266/nfl-mailbag-carryover-rules-impact-cap-strategy

If that's correct and we can sign Joe to a deal that's friendly in year one I think we could make a significant move. Really hoping for Randy Starks.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That should be pretty close and I believe it is after you take Lewis off the roster. It's also before the RFA's and EFA's are tendered though. The Ravens usually keep just about all of those guys and that's going to take up a good chunk of that cap space.
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So Paul Kruger fired his agents this week and is expected to sign with a major firm...why haven't we been discussing this?!

There goes really any shot of bringing Kruger back.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah its correct.

The Ravens have about $102m committed to 36 players next year (after taking into account Ray Lewis retiring and the resulting cap space and dead money). Then you need to add about $8-10m iirc for all of the RFAs and ERFAs before you get to franchising/contracting Flacco
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Yeah its correct.

The Ravens have about $102m committed to 36 players next year (after taking into account Ray Lewis retiring and the resulting cap space and dead money). Then you need to add about $8-10m iirc for all of the RFAs and ERFAs before you get to franchising/contracting Flacco


And with the way he's playing this game...CYA!
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drd23 wrote:
Yeah its correct.

The Ravens have about $102m committed to 36 players next year (after taking into account Ray Lewis retiring and the resulting cap space and dead money). Then you need to add about $8-10m iirc for all of the RFAs and ERFAs before you get to franchising/contracting Flacco


Yeah it would be 36, not 41 like I mentioned before. I'm not sure where I got that number from. With as many draft picks as the Ravens are likely to have and the few roster spots that will be left available after you factor in the RFA and EFA tenders it's going to be interesting to see if they try and consolidate their draft picks (AKA trading up) since they'll probably have 11 of them after the compensation picks are handed out.

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There's nothing new on joe flacco contract front talks have always been tabled until offseason after getting close in aug. then hit impasse


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Because of tight cap situation ravens plan to aggressively ramp up talks after season to avoid franchise tag for joe flacco per a source


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Nearly flat salary cap from last year will cause ravens to scramble to try to retain ufas rfas and efas ray lewis retiring saves 4.35 mill


A long-term contract for Flacco would make things easier, that's for sure.
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