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iRobot


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stchamp98 wrote:
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Escobar can make sense to me if they don't bring back King (as per his opening scenario).

Also, keep in mind that Dray and King are FAs after 2013, RFA and UFA respectively.


King's a blocking tight end though. He catches 15-20 passes a year, tops. That's not Escobar's game.

I'm not against taking a TE, I'm against taking Escobar. A pass catching TE/another receiving weapon is the least of our problems.


I guess I don't know Escobar. Was assuming he was a blocking TE who could catch some passes. If he's strictly a passing TE, that pick needs to be re-eval'd because we need blockers.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Escobar is a better blocker than Housler. He's an all-around TE. I think when we lost Heap that was a big hit. We should go with more 2 TE sets
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Escobar is a better blocker than Housler.


Doesn't say much. Even if he is, he's a receiving TE first. We've got plenty of receiving options, it doesn't make our offense any better to add a 5th receiver.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stchamp98 wrote:
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Escobar is a better blocker than Housler.


Doesn't say much. Even if he is, he's a receiving TE first. We've got plenty of receiving options, it doesn't make our offense any better to add a 5th receiver.


like i said, they should utilize more 2 TE sets
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AZPSquared wrote:
stchamp98 wrote:
AZPSquared wrote:
Escobar is a better blocker than Housler.


Doesn't say much. Even if he is, he's a receiving TE first. We've got plenty of receiving options, it doesn't make our offense any better to add a 5th receiver.


like i said, they should utilize more 2 TE sets


Utilizing more 2 TE sets in terms of receiving means 1 of Fitz, Floyd or Andre has to come off the field.

Obviously, that's not what we want to do.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stchamp98 wrote:
AZPSquared wrote:
stchamp98 wrote:
AZPSquared wrote:
Escobar is a better blocker than Housler.


Doesn't say much. Even if he is, he's a receiving TE first. We've got plenty of receiving options, it doesn't make our offense any better to add a 5th receiver.


like i said, they should utilize more 2 TE sets


Utilizing more 2 TE sets in terms of receiving means 1 of Fitz, Floyd or Andre has to come off the field.

Obviously, that's not what we want to do.


We're almost kind of being forced into a spread offense with the talent we have at WR.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cut:
Adam Snyder
Early Doucet
Jeff King
Stewart Bradley
Bennie Wells

Restructure:
Kevin Kolb

Extend:
Kerry Rhodes

Resign:
Quentin Groves 2 yr
Greg Toler -2 -yr
Rashad Johnson -2 yr
Brian Hoyer 1 yr
A Wilson 1 yr vet min
Larod Stephens-Howling 2 yr

FA: Dannell Ellerbe ILB 3 Yr 7.5 mil

Draft:
Round 1: Chance Warmack, OG, Alabama
Round 2: Ryan Nassib, QB, Syracuse
Round 3: Montee Ball RB, Wisconsin
Round 4: Brandon Williams DT, Missouri Southern State
Round 5: Malliciah Goodman DE , Clemson
Round 6A: Quanterus Smith DE/OLB , Western Kentucky Received pick for AJ Jefferson trade
Round 6B:Brandon Kaufman, WR, Eastern Washington
Round 7A: Drew Frey, SS, Cincinnati
Round 7B: Cierre Wood, RB, Notre Dame Comp pick
Round 7C: Jake Stoneburner TE , Ohio State Comp pick
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cards czar wrote:
Cut:
Adam Snyder
Early Doucet
Jeff King
Stewart Bradley
Bennie Wells

Restructure:
Kevin Kolb

Extend:
Kerry Rhodes

Resign:
Quentin Groves 2 yr
Greg Toler -2 -yr
Rashad Johnson -2 yr
Brian Hoyer 1 yr
A Wilson 1 yr vet min
Larod Stephens-Howling 2 yr

FA: Dannell Ellerbe ILB 3 Yr 7.5 mil

Draft:
Round 1: Chance Warmack, OG, Alabama
Round 2: Ryan Nassib, QB, Syracuse
Round 3: Montee Ball RB, Wisconsin
Round 4: Brandon Williams DT, Missouri Southern State
Round 5: Malliciah Goodman DE , Clemson
Round 6A: Quanterus Smith DE/OLB , Western Kentucky Received pick for AJ Jefferson trade
Round 6B:Brandon Kaufman, WR, Eastern Washington
Round 7A: Drew Frey, SS, Cincinnati
Round 7B: Cierre Wood, RB, Notre Dame Comp pick
Round 7C: Jake Stoneburner TE , Ohio State Comp pick


Looks realistic given our needs & payroll situation. Only question I have is w/o drafting a OC or bringing back Snyder who would replace Sendlein if he goes down? Colledge being released saves $ whereas we're paying Snyder 4M to go away. I know he sucks but it might make sense roster-wise & financially to cut Colledge but keep Snyder as a backup C/G with Kelemete or another rookie (Jones or Watford?) starting at RG opposite Warmack.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We didn't receive a pick for the Jefferson trade, it was simply a swap of picks. We're not getting 2 comp picks either.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DirtyDez wrote:
cards czar wrote:
Cut:
Adam Snyder
Early Doucet
Jeff King
Stewart Bradley
Bennie Wells

Restructure:
Kevin Kolb

Extend:
Kerry Rhodes

Resign:
Quentin Groves 2 yr
Greg Toler -2 -yr
Rashad Johnson -2 yr
Brian Hoyer 1 yr
A Wilson 1 yr vet min
Larod Stephens-Howling 2 yr

FA: Dannell Ellerbe ILB 3 Yr 7.5 mil

Draft:
Round 1: Chance Warmack, OG, Alabama
Round 2: Ryan Nassib, QB, Syracuse
Round 3: Montee Ball RB, Wisconsin
Round 4: Brandon Williams DT, Missouri Southern State
Round 5: Malliciah Goodman DE , Clemson
Round 6A: Quanterus Smith DE/OLB , Western Kentucky Received pick for AJ Jefferson trade
Round 6B:Brandon Kaufman, WR, Eastern Washington
Round 7A: Drew Frey, SS, Cincinnati
Round 7B: Cierre Wood, RB, Notre Dame Comp pick
Round 7C: Jake Stoneburner TE , Ohio State Comp pick


Looks realistic given our needs & payroll situation. Only question I have is w/o drafting a OC or bringing back Snyder who would replace Sendlein if he goes down? Colledge being released saves $ whereas we're paying Snyder 4M to go away. I know he sucks but it might make sense roster-wise & financially to cut Colledge but keep Snyder as a backup C/G with Kelemete or another rookie (Jones or Watford?) starting at RG opposite Warmack.



Yes I also have been questioning myself on that one. When Sendlein comes back then it will be up to the coaches as to who is going to be the backup. Could it be Snyder or Wedige?? I never want to see Snyder at RG again. I looks up to stats and he is the worst RG in the league and or if we draft Warmack then we are a better view as to where we move forward. D. College is on the bottom of the list too. I don't really care who goes but the interior line needs to be fixed.

I also am wondering if we will have to move up from #38 to no lower the the 25th pick to get a QB. I have heard wispers (no I don't give out my sources) that 4-6 teams are looking to move up to secure a QB. Just wispers but sometimes that are true.

Will the cards have to trade there 2nd this year and a 2nd or first next year?? Don't know but it is sure fun to contemplate.
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