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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This obviously has nothing to do with Dashon's contract, but do you think he'd be exponentially better playing SS?



I think the notions of FS and SS don't mean much in today's NFL. Both safeties have to be able to do everything if they want to succeed. That means covering man, zone, playing in the box, hitting, reading the QB's eyes, etc. I don't really see how much Dashon's game would change if he switched position.


I think you are partially correct in that you must do all things well but there is definitely preferred skill set for each position. Our SS is more of a in-box type who must tackle extremely well. Dashon can tackle and is physical but he is much better coming from 12-15 yards out rather than within steps of the LOS and having to deal with traffic. In our system he is an ideal FS.



I don't think we use our SS in a certain way because it's position-specific, but rather because it's his strengths. If we "switched" Dashon to SS, we would still play him to his strengths. His biggest strength, as I see it, is sniping. I haven't watched many safeties around the league with much attention, but I think Goldson is one of the better safety in the league, at reading a running play from his (deep) safety position, and shooting to the line of scrimmage to make a tackle. That's what I call sniping. If he played in the box more, sure, he would still make that tackle. But it's a great luxury to have when a player can make a tackle at the LOS from his safety spot. Not having to play a safety in the box is like having the ability to rush only four guys to apply pressure. It's a very good luxury to have, and it allows you to run all sorts of coverages while still being strong against the run. He doesn't have to switch position anyway. I would like to see more designed "in the box" plays for Goldson. I'd like to see him blitz and hit the QB from the blindside. It's almost a guaranteed fumble.
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I believe at very worst we'll be franchising him again, but at this point he's going to be our top priority this offseason. I'd expect him to be pretty pricey, as that's why he currently doesn't have a longterm deal.
To add to this we should have some money to spend after a certain player is likely to be gone. We need to resign him. He's been one of the best safeties in the league for a couple years now. I think they'll get it done by a contract or F tag.


Would this certain someone play the te position?
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I believe at very worst we'll be franchising him again, but at this point he's going to be our top priority this offseason. I'd expect him to be pretty pricey, as that's why he currently doesn't have a longterm deal.
To add to this we should have some money to spend after a certain player is likely to be gone. We need to resign him. He's been one of the best safeties in the league for a couple years now. I think they'll get it done by a contract or F tag.


Would this certain someone play the te position?


...No.
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y2lamanaki wrote:
deuces22wild wrote:
steadypimpin wrote:
y2lamanaki wrote:
I believe at very worst we'll be franchising him again, but at this point he's going to be our top priority this offseason. I'd expect him to be pretty pricey, as that's why he currently doesn't have a longterm deal.
To add to this we should have some money to spend after a certain player is likely to be gone. We need to resign him. He's been one of the best safeties in the league for a couple years now. I think they'll get it done by a contract or F tag.


Would this certain someone play the te position?


...No.


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SoCalNiner wrote:
y2lamanaki wrote:
deuces22wild wrote:
steadypimpin wrote:
y2lamanaki wrote:
I believe at very worst we'll be franchising him again, but at this point he's going to be our top priority this offseason. I'd expect him to be pretty pricey, as that's why he currently doesn't have a longterm deal.
To add to this we should have some money to spend after a certain player is likely to be gone. We need to resign him. He's been one of the best safeties in the league for a couple years now. I think they'll get it done by a contract or F tag.


Would this certain someone play the te position?


...No.


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Yeah, but he's definitely not the "certain someone."
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"I felt that they wanted me to prove myself, and I think I did just that," the 49ers safety said Tuesday as he was cleaning out his locker. "So if I was in the position again with the franchise tag, I'd be very surprised."

***Update*** When Jim Harbaugh later was asked about Goldson and his desire for a long-term contract, he said: "He's somebody that I think you reward. Plays every game, can find the ball. You know that he's out there. The opposing offense knows that he's out there. ... He just does everything you want a safety to do. And you reward those types of people."

http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2013/02/goldson-states-his-case-does-not-want-franchise-tag-in-2013.html
i agree. hopefully we can work something team friendly out. we gots a lot of stars on this team
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I have definitely changed my stance on both safety's. Goldson has to stay, and Whitner has to be the guy we look to replace. Probably not able to this upcoming season, but possibly the following one.
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From what I have been seeing, my feelings wouldn't be hurt one iota if we dumped Whitner ( 4 mil gain on cap room ) and plugged Spillman in to battle a 2nd-4th round safety prospect.

I also would be very interested in if the coaches see a strong future at FS in a youngster like Trent Robinson.
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KANSAS CITY CHIEFS ----- 2015

Offense -- 45 total players as of 12/20

QB: Alex Smith (15,500,000), Aaron Murray (563,606), Tyler Bray (588,334)
RB: Jamaal Charles (8,033,334), Knile Davis (736,504), Cyrus Gray (695,418), Charcandrick West (510,000)
FB: Anthony Sherman (1,500,000)

< 28.127.196 >

TE: Vernon Davis (4,950,000), Travis Kelce (853,826), Demetrius Harris (585,000)
WR: Dwayne Bowe (14,000,000), Frankie Hammond (585,000)
WR: Albert Wilson (510,000)
WR: De'Anthony Thomas (623,027)

< 22.106.853 >

LT: Eric Fisher (6,051,954),
LG: Jeff Allen (1,477,580), Laurent Duvernay-Tardif (543,075)
C: Rodney Hudson (re-sign), Eric Kush (624,779)
RG: Zach Fulton (544,055)
RT: Alex Boone (3,400,000)


< 12.641.443 >

4-3 Under Defense

LDE: Allen Bailey (3,250,000), Mike Catapano (610,781)
LDT: Vance Walker (3,750,000 ), Jaye Howard (660,000)
RDT: Dontari Poe (3,601,822), Nick Williams (510,000 )
RDE: Dee Ford (1,854,250) , Josh Martin (660,000)

< 14.896.853 >

SLB: Justin Houston (TAG), Frank Zombo (820,000)
MLB: Derrick Johnson (5,250,000), Joe Mays (4,000,000)
WLB: James-Michael Johnson (660,000)

< 10.73 >

LCB: Phillip Gaines (655,278), Marcus Cooper (585,000)
RCB: Sean Smith (7,750,000)
NCB: Jamell Fleming (660,000)
SS: Eric Berry (8,357,700), Daniel Sorenson (510,000)
FS: Husain Abdullah (1,145,000), Sanders Commings (572,378)

< 20.235.356 > ...... add K and P = < 4.310.666 >

Practice Squad

Special Teams
K: Cairo Santos (510,666)
P: Dustin Colquitt (3,800,000)
LS:
KR: Knile Davis (736,504), De'Anthony Thomas (623,027), Frankie Hammond (585,000)
PR: De'Anthony Thomas (623,027), Knile Davis (736,504), Albert Wilson (510,000)


45 players as of 12/20... total cost = 113.048.367 mil

remaining cap available = 26.951.633 mil


- if Alex restructures, then cap available = 35.126.633 mil
- if Hudson re-sign at 5.5, then cap = 29.626.633 mil
- if Houston F-tag at 13, then new cap available is roughly = 16 mil


Trades:
49ers trade:
0036 - Alex Boone - G(3,400,000)
1309 - Vernon Davis - TE(4,350,000)

Chiefs trade:
2nd round(#57)
0421 - Donald Stephenson - LT(660,000)


DRAFT PICKS:

Round 1 (#25)
rd 2 traded to SF for Boone and VD
Round 3 (#89)
Round 4 (#121)
Round 5 (#153)
Round 6 (#185)
Round 7 (#217)


Intended releases or trades

Chase Daniel (4,800,000) saves 3.8 mil
Anthony Fasano (4,225,000) saves 2 mil
Donnie Avery (4,050,000) saves 3.55 mil
Tamba Hali (11,964,706) saves 9 mil
Mike DeVito (5,400,000) saves 4 mil
A.J. Jenkins (1,337,390) saves 1,337,390 mil

total save = 23.687.739 mil

also allowed to walk:
WR / Junior Hemingway (ERFA)
OT / Ryan Harris (UFA)
RB / Joe McKnight (UFA)
OG / Mike McGlynn (UFA)
OL / Jeff Linkenbach (UFA)
DL / Kevin Vickerson (UFA)
DE / Dezman Moses (RFA)
LB / Josh Mauga (UFA)
CB / Chris Owens (UFA)
DB / Ron Parker (UFA)
S / Kurt Coleman (UFA)
S / Kelcie McCray (RFA)
LS / Thomas Gafford (UFA)

ERFAs
WR / Frankie Hammond (ERFA) - (585,000)
DE / Josh Martin (ERFA) - (660,000)
TE / Demetrius Harris (ERFA) - (585,000)

Alex restructure: saves 8.175 mil in 2015 cap

original deal
2015 - 11.9 base -- 3.6 sb -- .100 wb -- 15.6 cap hit
2016 - 14.1 base -- 3.6 sb -- .100 wb -- 17.8 cap hit
2017 - 10.8 base -- 3.6 sb -- .500 wb -- 16.9 cap hit ----- 2 mil roster bonus
2018 - 14.5 base -- 3.6 sb -- .500 wb -- 20.6 cap hit ----- 2 mil roster bonus

converts 10.9 base into prorated bonus - 2.725 bonus per yr

restructured deal
2015 - 1 m base -- 6.325 sb -- .100 wb -- 7.425 cap hit
2016 - 14.1 base -- 6.325 sb -- .100 wb -- 20.525 cap hit
2017 - 10.8 base -- 6.325 sb -- .500 wb -- 19.625 cap hit ----- 2 mil roster bonus
2018 - 14.5 base -- 6.325 sb -- .500 wb -- 23.325 cap hit ----- 2 mil roster bonus

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UFA target: WR / Torrey Smith
5 years, 40 million (21.5 mil guaranteed)

2015 - 3 m base (guaranteed)------- 3 sb -- .500 wb -- 6.5 mil cap hit
2016 - 3.5 m base (guaranteed) ---- 3 sb -- .500 wb -- 7.0 mil cap hit
2017 - 4 base ------------------------ 3 sb -- .500 wb -- 7.5 mil cap hit
2018 - 4.5 m base ------------------- 3 sb -- .500 wb --- 9.0 mil cap hit ----- 1 mil roster bonus
2019 - 5.5 m base ------------------- 3 sb -- .500 wb --- 10 mil cap hit ----- 1 mil roster bonus
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UFA target: C / Rodney Hudson
5 years, 37.5 million (17.5 mil guaranteed)

2015 - 3.5 m base (guaranteed) -------- 2 sb -- .500 wb -- 6 mil cap hit
2016 - 4 m base (guaranteed) ---------- 2 sb -- .500 wb -- 6.5 mil cap hit
2017 - 4.5 base -------------------------- 2 sb -- .500 wb -- 7.0 mil cap hit
2018 - 5 m base ------------------------- 2 sb -- .500 wb --- 8.5 mil cap hit ----- 1 mil roster bonus
2019 - 6 m base ------------------------- 2 sb -- .500 wb --- 9.5 mil cap hit ----- 1 mil roster bonus
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Dashon Goldson multi-year deal coming? Called a priority by Jim Harbaugh: "He's somebody that you reward." http://bit.ly/UuB0le #NFL

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Dashon Goldson multi-year deal coming? Called a priority by Jim Harbaugh: "He's somebody that you reward." http://bit.ly/UuB0le #NFL



What Harbaugh says and what Baalke does are two separate things. It's just another prime example of Harbaugh praising one of his players in public.
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Dashon Goldson multi-year deal coming? Called a priority by Jim Harbaugh: "He's somebody that you reward." http://bit.ly/UuB0le #NFL



What Harbaugh says and what Baalke does are two separate things. It's just another prime example of Harbaugh praising one of his players in public.


I think we all can safely agree with Harbaugh on this one though. And it's not like we haven't awarded players who have earned it.
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^ I think we can all safely believe that we shouldn't believe anything Harbaugh ever says to the media.
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68.) Atlanta Falcons - select - T - Ja'wuan James {Tennessee}
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70.) Jacksonville Jaguars - select - C/G - Travis Swanson {Arkansas}
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84.) Arizona Cardinals - select - S - Deone Bucannon {Washington St}
85.) Green Bay Packers - select - WR - Allen Robinson {Penn State}
86.) Philadelphia Eagles - select - DE/OLB - Chris Smith {Arkansas}
87.) Kansas City Chiefs - select - G - David Yankey {Stanford}
88.) Cincinnati Bengals - select - T/G - Dakota Dozier {Furman}
89.) San Diego Chargers - select - NT - Justin Ellis {Louisiana Tech}
90.) Indianapolis Colts - select - DE/OLB - Carl Bradford {Arizona State}
91.) New Orleans Saints - select - LB - Christian Jones {Florida State}
92.) Carolina Panthers - select - T - Cyrus Kouandjia {Alabama}
93.) New England Patriots - select - G - Trai Turner {LSU}
94.) San Francisco 49ers - select - DE/OLB - Trevor Reilly {Utah}
95.) Denver Broncos - select - LB - Yawin Smallwood {Connecticut}
96.) Minnesota Vikings (via SEA) - select - RB - Lache Seastrunk {Baylor}
97.) Pittsburgh Steelers - select - DE/OLB - Jackson Jeffcoat {Texas}
98.) Green Bay Packers - select - TE - Arthur Lynch {Georgia}
99.) Baltimore Ravens - select - WR - Martavis Bryant {Clemson}
100.) San Francisco 49ers - select - S - Craig Loston {LSU}


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101.) Houston Texans - select - LB - Chris Borland {Wisconsin}
102.) Washington Redskins - select - CB - Loucheiz Purifoy {Florida}
103.) Atlanta Falcons - select - RB - Charles Sims {West Virginia}
104.) New York Jets (via TB) - select - S/CB - Keith McGill {Utah}
105.) Jacksonville Jaguars - select - CB - Marcus Roberson {Florida}
106.) Cleveland Browns - select - LB - Lamin Barrow {LSU}
107.) Oakland Raiders - select - DT - Ego Furgeson {LSU}
108.) Minnesota Vikings - select - G - Chris Watt {Notre Dame}
109.) Buffalo Bills - select - T - Jack Mewhort {Ohio State}
110.) St. Louis Rams - select - T - James Hurst {N. Carolina}
111.) Detroit Lions - select - CB/S - Dontae Johnson {N.C. State}
112.) Tennessee Titans - select - CB - Ross Cockrell {Duke}
113.) New York Giants - select - T/G - Billy Turner {N. Dakota State}
114.) Jacksonville Jaguars (via BAL) - select - WR - Paul Richardson {Colorado}
115.) New York Jets - select - WR - Jared Abbrederis {Wisconsin}
116.) Miami Dolphins - select - G/T - Cameron Fleming {Stanford}
117.) Chicago Bears - select - S - Ed Reynolds {Stanford}
118.) Pittsburgh Steelers - select - DE - Anthony Johnson {LSU}
119.) Dallas Cowboys - select - RB - Andre Williams {Boston College}
120.) Arizona Cardinals - select - LB - Shayne Skov {Stanford}
121.) Green Bay Packers - select - S/CB - Antone Exum {Virginia Tech}
122.) Philadelphia Eagles - select - LB - Telvin Smith {Florida State}
123.) Cincinnati Bengals - select - CB - Victor Hampton {S. Carolina}
124.) Kansas City Chiefs - select - DE/OLB - Ben Gardner {Stanford}
125.) San Diego Chargers - select - WR - Brandon Coleman {Rutgers}
126.) New Orleans Saints - select - WR - Rob Herron {Wyoming}
127.) Cleveland Browns (via IND) - select - S - Tre Boston {N. Carolina}
128.) Carolina Panthers - select - CB - Walt Aikens {Liberty}
129.) San Francisco 49ers - select - G - Brandon Thomas {Clemson}
130.) New England Patriots - select - DE - Will Clarke {W. Virginia}
131.) Denver Broncos - select - T/G - Wesley Johnson {Vanderbilt}
132.) Seattle Seahawks - select - DT - Caraun Reid {Princeton}
133.) Detroit Lions - select - C - Tyler Larson {Utah State}
134.) Baltimore Ravens - select - RB - Terrance West {Towson}
135.) Houston Texans - select - NT - Daniel McCullers {Tennessee}
136.) Detroit Lions - select - QB - Brett Smith {Wyoming}
137.) New York Jets - select - DE/OLB - James Gayle {Virginia Tech}
138.) Baltimore Ravens - select - LB - Jordan Tripp {Montana}
139.) Atlanta Falcons - select - S - Kenny Ladler {Vanderbilt}
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^ I think we can all safely believe that we shouldn't believe anything Harbaugh ever says to the media.



I think we can all safely believe that what oldman says about believing what Harbaugh says to the media is believable.
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Hey guys, with how solid the draft this year is at the safety position and the huge contracts possibly coming to players like Kaepernick, Anthony Davis, Crabtree, Iupati, Aldon Smith all projected fa's in 2015, do you think Golston is actually given a huge contract?

Would it be wise to "save" that money and draft a safety this year?
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Hey guys, with how solid the draft this year is at the safety position and the huge contracts possibly coming to players like Kaepernick, Anthony Davis, Crabtree, Iupati, Aldon Smith all projected fa's in 2015, do you think Golston is actually given a huge contract?

Would it be wise to "save" that money and draft a safety this year?
a rookie isnt guaranteed to be as good as Goldson plays so no to that. Maybe for Whitner but we need to keep Goldson.
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