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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:06 am    Post subject: Bettis finalist for Hall of Fame Reply with quote

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/11/pro-football-hall-of-fame-finalists-announced/

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The group includes four first-time eligible nominees: Guard Larry Allen, tackle Jonathan Ogden, defensive tackle Warren Sapp and defensive end Michael Strahan.

It also includes last years 10 finalists who missed the final cut: Running back Jerome Bettis, wide receivers Tim Brown, Cris Carter and Andre Reed, guard Will Shields, defensive end Charles Haley, linebacker Kevin Greene, cornerback Aeneas Williams along with Bill Parcells and Ed DeBartolo, Jr.
going to be hard for him to get in with that crowd, but I wish him well.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Definite log jam to get in....

I think the Hall needs to go to about 10 per year.

22 players a year start on a team... the game is 80+ years old.

Too many great players getting overlooked
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JDLefebvre wrote:
Definite log jam to get in....

I think the Hall needs to go to about 10 per year.

22 players a year start on a team... the game is 80+ years old.

Too many great players getting overlooked

gotta be careful though, that waters down what it means to be a HoF'er

The following is the complete list of the Hall of Fame finalists.
Larry Allen Guard/Tackle 1994-2005 Dallas Cowboys; 2006-07 San Francisco 49ers
Jerome Bettis Running Back 1993-95 Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams; 1996-2005 Pittsburgh Steelers
Tim Brown Wide Receiver/Kick Returner/Punt Returner 1988-2003 Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders; 2004 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Cris Carter Wide Receiver 1987-89 Philadelphia Eagles; 1990-2001 Minnesota Vikings; 2002 Miami Dolphins
Curley Culp* 1968-1974 Kansas City Chiefs; 1974-1980 Houston Oilers; 1980-81 Detroit Lions
Edward DeBartolo, Jr. Owner 1977-2000 San Francisco 49ers
Kevin Greene Linebacker/Defensive End 1985-1992 Los Angeles Rams; 1993-95 Pittsburgh Steelers; 1996, 1998-99 Carolina Panthers; 1997 San Francisco 49ers
Charles Haley Defensive End/Linebacker 1986-1991, 1999 San Francisco 49ers; 1992-96 Dallas Cowboys
Art Modell Owner 1961-1995 Cleveland Browns; 1996-2011 Baltimore Ravens
Jonathan Ogden Tackle 1996-2007 Baltimore Ravens
Bill Parcells Coach 1983-1990 New York Giants; 1993-96 New England Patriots; 1997-99 New York Jets; 2003-06 Dallas Cowboys
Andre Reed Wide Receiver 1985-1999 Buffalo Bills; 2000 Washington Redskins
Dave Robinson* 1963-1972 Green Bay Packers; 1973-74 Washington Redskins
Warren Sapp Defensive Tackle 1995-2003 Tampa Bay Buccaneers; 2004-07 Oakland Raiders
Will Shields Guard 1993-2006 Kansas City Chiefs
Michael Strahan Defensive End 1993-2007 New York Giants
Aeneas Williams Cornerback/Safety 1991-2000 Phoenix/Arizona Cardinals; 2001-04 St. Louis Rams


Who i think should make it:

My personal locks:
Jonathan Ogden Tackle 1996-2007 Baltimore Ravens
Larry Allen Guard/Tackle 1994-2005 Dallas Cowboys; 2006-07 San Francisco 49ers
Cris Carter Wide Receiver 1987-89 Philadelphia Eagles; 1990-2001 Minnesota Vikings; 2002 Miami Dolphins

My decisions (pick 2):
Curley Culp* 1968-1974 Kansas City Chiefs; 1974-1980 Houston Oilers; 1980-81 Detroit Lions
Kevin Greene Linebacker/Defensive End 1985-1992 Los Angeles Rams; 1993-95 Pittsburgh Steelers; 1996, 1998-99 Carolina Panthers; 1997 San Francisco 49ers
Michael Strahan Defensive End 1993-2007 New York Giants
Warren Sapp Defensive Tackle 1995-2003 Tampa Bay Buccaneers; 2004-07 Oakland Raiders


non-players:
Edward DeBartolo, Jr. Owner 1977-2000 San Francisco 49ers
Bill Parcells Coach 1983-1990 New York Giants; 1993-96 New England Patriots; 1997-99 New York Jets; 2003-06 Dallas Cowboys


Not yet, but soon:
Jerome Bettis Running Back 1993-95 Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams; 1996-2005 Pittsburgh Steelers
Tim Brown Wide Receiver/Kick Returner/Punt Returner 1988-2003 Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders; 2004 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Will Shields Guard 1993-2006 Kansas City Chiefs
Aeneas Williams Cornerback/Safety 1991-2000 Phoenix/Arizona Cardinals; 2001-04 St. Louis Rams


Undecided:
Charles Haley Defensive End/Linebacker 1986-1991, 1999 San Francisco 49ers; 1992-96 Dallas Cowboys
Andre Reed Wide Receiver 1985-1999 Buffalo Bills; 2000 Washington Redskins
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kethnaab wrote:
JDLefebvre wrote:
Definite log jam to get in....

I think the Hall needs to go to about 10 per year.

22 players a year start on a team... the game is 80+ years old.

Too many great players getting overlooked

gotta be careful though, that waters down what it means to be a HoF'er


That's the common argument but I don't agree. If 10 guys are worthy than let them in. Who cares if guys who are questionable get in? There are already many guys questionable in the HoF.

Don't see the big deal.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JDLefebvre wrote:
kethnaab wrote:
JDLefebvre wrote:
Definite log jam to get in....

I think the Hall needs to go to about 10 per year.

22 players a year start on a team... the game is 80+ years old.

Too many great players getting overlooked

gotta be careful though, that waters down what it means to be a HoF'er


That's the common argument but I don't agree. If 10 guys are worthy than let them in. Who cares if guys who are questionable get in? There are already many guys questionable in the HoF.

Don't see the big deal.
i agree and there are 10 worthy for sure. I mean essentially what they'd do is not put some in right now but later they'd get in because of a #s game, like Chris Carter and Haley for example. IMO they could have been added on to past classes, they shouldn't have such a strict #s thing.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

by narrowing it down, it forces you to make tough choices. I'd rather the Hall be somewhat exclusionary rather than inclusionary.

now, I do agree that there are some guys that should've made it in the past, but I'd argue that they should be in the Hall INSTEAD of some other guys, rather than in ADDITION to
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kethnaab wrote:
by narrowing it down, it forces you to make tough choices. I'd rather the Hall be somewhat exclusionary rather than inclusionary.

now, I do agree that there are some guys that should've made it in the past, but I'd argue that they should be in the Hall INSTEAD of some other guys, rather than in ADDITION to


I agree with Kethy, too few is a lot better than too many! Makes it more prestigious.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

at23steelers wrote:
kethnaab wrote:
by narrowing it down, it forces you to make tough choices. I'd rather the Hall be somewhat exclusionary rather than inclusionary.

now, I do agree that there are some guys that should've made it in the past, but I'd argue that they should be in the Hall INSTEAD of some other guys, rather than in ADDITION to


I agree with Kethy, too few is a lot better than too many! Makes it more prestigious.


IDK... basball usually lets in 1-2 a year which I think is too low... and I know zero made it in this year....

A lot more players play football, about double so maybe 7 is an OK number. Just seems like a lot of guys who deserve in wont get in the NFL HoF.
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JDLefebvre wrote:
A lot more players play football, about double so maybe 7 is an OK number. Just seems like a lot of guys who deserve in wont get in the NFL HoF.


they will eventually. Lynn Swann was a HoF for 13 seasons before he finally made it.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kethnaab wrote:
JDLefebvre wrote:
A lot more players play football, about double so maybe 7 is an OK number. Just seems like a lot of guys who deserve in wont get in the NFL HoF.


they will eventually. Lynn Swann was a HoF for 13 seasons before he finally made it.
true, art monk had to wait that long as well
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