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Rolni


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

new weird cap numbers...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2012/story/_/id/8822266/nfl-mailbag-carryover-rules-impact-cap-strategy
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Rolni wrote:
new weird cap numbers...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2012/story/_/id/8822266/nfl-mailbag-carryover-rules-impact-cap-strategy


I have to believe it still takes into account Seymour's contract.
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Brisiel and Branch are just overpaid no matter how many chances they get. Honestly Mitchell looked to be just as good a player as Branch every chance he got. The defense did not skip one beat without Branch. I don't see it. Not at an absurd 11 mil cap number. He's a 4 mil player with triple that off the cap.

The problem with restructuring, as so many guys suggest so frequently, is that it doesn't tackle salary or cap issues really. It just delays cap issues until the next year, or year after, or so on. If Palmer or Huff aren't 10 or 15 mil against the cap this year, they will just be 12 or 18 mil on the cap the next year. There's no negotiable way to never suffer from a bad contract without outright release. And even then there is a cap hit for that.


According to Branch's contract infos, he's due a 3.5M roster bonus soon and it is guaranteed. But i've learn over the past few years a guarantee isn't really guaranteed in the NFL, so maybe there's a way to get away from it. If it is really guaranteed, it's gonna be very costly to release him this year.

Everything you said about restructures is spot on. They just delay the moment you're gonna have to count the same amount against your cap and they usually also turn non guaranteed amounts into guaranteed ones. We really couldn't get rid of everyone last year because it would have put us even further above the cap so restructuring was the best way to find some room to field a 53 man roster. Unfortunately, it puts us in a tight situation again this year and maybe we're gonna have to hold onto some guys once agai. The good news is we have a lot of cap room in future years as it stands, enough room to plan on eating some dead money in those years and still be able to pursue players.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Rolni wrote:
new weird cap numbers...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2012/story/_/id/8822266/nfl-mailbag-carryover-rules-impact-cap-strategy


I have to believe it still takes into account Seymour's contract.


yeah it could be the case...
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rolni wrote:
oakdb36 wrote:
Rolni wrote:
new weird cap numbers...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2012/story/_/id/8822266/nfl-mailbag-carryover-rules-impact-cap-strategy


I have to believe it still takes into account Seymour's contract.


yeah it could be the case...
It is the case because they cant say what we have until we actually cut or void players, and it doesnt take rocket science to know that Seymour, Mclain, TK and probably a few more overpaid players gone will put us in much better shape.
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oakdb36 wrote:
Rolni wrote:
new weird cap numbers...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2012/story/_/id/8822266/nfl-mailbag-carryover-rules-impact-cap-strategy


I have to believe it still takes into account Seymour's contract.


It has to be the case. There is nothing to say that we couldn't keep Seymour on the team so why would a cap projection say otherwise? We haven't voided anything yet so there should not be any projections to say that we have.

And this article just shows us the need to part ways with DHB's contract. especially when we have Streater giving us comparable numbers in his rookie year. And we still have Criner waiting in the wings with Ford coming back too. There is no need to keep his $10M cap number on the books for what he is giving us on the field.
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DOCLEW 28 wrote:
oakdb36 wrote:
Rolni wrote:
new weird cap numbers...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2012/story/_/id/8822266/nfl-mailbag-carryover-rules-impact-cap-strategy


I have to believe it still takes into account Seymour's contract.


It has to be the case. There is nothing to say that we couldn't keep Seymour on the team so why would a cap projection say otherwise? We haven't voided anything yet so there should not be any projections to say that we have.

And this article just shows us the need to part ways with DHB's contract. especially when we have Streater giving us comparable numbers in his rookie year. And we still have Criner waiting in the wings with Ford coming back too. There is no need to keep his $10M cap number on the books for what he is giving us on the field.


I highly doubt the Raiders will jettison anyone before a new OC is hired. It's a long off-season, everyone wants these guys cut now but nothing will probably happen until June 1.
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Baggabonez wrote:
DOCLEW 28 wrote:
oakdb36 wrote:
Rolni wrote:
new weird cap numbers...

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2012/story/_/id/8822266/nfl-mailbag-carryover-rules-impact-cap-strategy


I have to believe it still takes into account Seymour's contract.


It has to be the case. There is nothing to say that we couldn't keep Seymour on the team so why would a cap projection say otherwise? We haven't voided anything yet so there should not be any projections to say that we have.

And this article just shows us the need to part ways with DHB's contract. especially when we have Streater giving us comparable numbers in his rookie year. And we still have Criner waiting in the wings with Ford coming back too. There is no need to keep his $10M cap number on the books for what he is giving us on the field.


I highly doubt the Raiders will jettison anyone before a new OC is hired. It's a long off-season, everyone wants these guys cut now but nothing will probably happen until June 1.


Nothing? It will happen before the start of free agency in most cases. Btw, june 1st isn't a date anymore, it's just a concept. With the new CBA, you can release a player at anytime and designate him as a post june 1st cut to take advantage of the salary cap rules. I think you can only do it with one player though.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When do teams generally start making cuts? I can't remember...
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Well we let Routt go right around the superbowl time and then let Boss and Wimbley go in March. But that was pretty quick imo since Reggie had just gotten here. Although he didnt have a Coach to discuss most of it with.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone remember about how much cap room we had to work with last year, after all the cuts? Wasn't it around 6 million or so?
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Updated numbers:
http://www.spotrac.com/cap-tracker/nfl/2013/
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oakdb36 wrote:
Updated numbers:
http://www.spotrac.com/cap-tracker/nfl/2013/


looks good!
we have to work from this. espn also posted this...

Sey should be in this with his 10+M deal right?
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Rolni wrote:
oakdb36 wrote:
Updated numbers:
http://www.spotrac.com/cap-tracker/nfl/2013/


looks good!
we have to work from this. espn also posted this...

Sey should be in this with his 10+M deal right?


The hell?

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Rolni wrote:
oakdb36 wrote:
Updated numbers:
http://www.spotrac.com/cap-tracker/nfl/2013/


looks good!
we have to work from this. espn also posted this...

Sey should be in this with his 10+M deal right?


And i guess with the 4.5M cap roll over we would be at 0. I think Seymour is still counted until his contract is officially voided which should happen at some point after the SB, i guess.
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