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HyponGrey
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| spilltray wrote: | | {Family Ghost} wrote: | | You'd think Dorsey would want a situation where he has final say on personel decisons. Reid probably wants that responsibility in KC, and runor has it that the new GM in the Jets will have to retain Ryan. Just say NO, John Dorsey ! |
They made Phil Emery keep Lovie a year too. Rather than hiring someone right now and do the coaching evaluation/search on the fly, I actually see some sense in sticking with the current coach a year. TT kept Sherman around a year and he had to know that was going to go badly given the fact that he had just taken over half of Sherman's job and become his boss. |
Be smart about it, draft enough (preferably defense) to bring the team within a year of success, purposely sabotaging Rex's last year, while not endangering your own career, fire Rex the next season, then draft the final pieces to make a successful team. Your own man in office, and all the pieces you need.
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| HyponGrey wrote: | | spilltray wrote: | | {Family Ghost} wrote: | | You'd think Dorsey would want a situation where he has final say on personel decisons. Reid probably wants that responsibility in KC, and runor has it that the new GM in the Jets will have to retain Ryan. Just say NO, John Dorsey ! |
They made Phil Emery keep Lovie a year too. Rather than hiring someone right now and do the coaching evaluation/search on the fly, I actually see some sense in sticking with the current coach a year. TT kept Sherman around a year and he had to know that was going to go badly given the fact that he had just taken over half of Sherman's job and become his boss. |
Be smart about it, draft enough (preferably defense) to bring the team within a year of success, purposely sabotaging Rex's last year, while not endangering your own career, fire Rex the next season, then draft the final pieces to make a successful team. Your own man in office, and all the pieces you need. |
The problem with taking the Jets job is this. Woody Johnson is a fan, a fan that happens to own a team, he is a celebrity owner just like Jerry Jones. Those types are hard to work for and almost impossible to win with. They are the guys who want to win, want to win now and will do it at any costs, Jerry Jones routinely takes WR's and CB's over line play and always wants to make the "Super Star" pick, thats not how you build a winning team in the NFL. Owners like the Mara family who know they don't know how to build a football team and they trust and support the people who they hire to build it and are willing to wait for the team to be built correctly are the owners that have success. So in short, I'd take the KC job before the Jets job, but really wouldn't want either of them too bad. |
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HyponGrey
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| MNPackfan32 wrote: | | HyponGrey wrote: | | spilltray wrote: | | {Family Ghost} wrote: | | You'd think Dorsey would want a situation where he has final say on personel decisons. Reid probably wants that responsibility in KC, and runor has it that the new GM in the Jets will have to retain Ryan. Just say NO, John Dorsey ! |
They made Phil Emery keep Lovie a year too. Rather than hiring someone right now and do the coaching evaluation/search on the fly, I actually see some sense in sticking with the current coach a year. TT kept Sherman around a year and he had to know that was going to go badly given the fact that he had just taken over half of Sherman's job and become his boss. |
Be smart about it, draft enough (preferably defense) to bring the team within a year of success, purposely sabotaging Rex's last year, while not endangering your own career, fire Rex the next season, then draft the final pieces to make a successful team. Your own man in office, and all the pieces you need. |
The problem with taking the Jets job is this. Woody Johnson is a fan, a fan that happens to own a team, he is a celebrity owner just like Jerry Jones. Those types are hard to work for and almost impossible to win with. They are the guys who want to win, want to win now and will do it at any costs, Jerry Jones routinely takes WR's and CB's over line play and always wants to make the "Super Star" pick, thats not how you build a winning team in the NFL. Owners like the Mara family who know they don't know how to build a football team and they trust and support the people who they hire to build it and are willing to wait for the team to be built correctly are the owners that have success. So in short, I'd take the KC job before the Jets job, but really wouldn't want either of them too bad. |
You hit it on the head, given the choice between the Jets and the circus there, and being a shelf piece in KC, I pick neither.
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CWood21
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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Chiefs gave Andy Reid final say on personnel decision. Could be a major hold up for Dorsey in KC. Might be better off holding put for another season, and then trying to get a GM gig next year since the Jets are a mess.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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| CWood21 wrote: | | Chiefs gave Andy Reid final say on personnel decision. Could be a major hold up for Dorsey in KC. Might be better off holding put for another season, and then trying to get a GM gig next year since the Jets are a mess. |
Yeah, the 2 big things I wouldn't want in a GM job are A) Where there is a meddling owner, and B) Where the GM is really just the HC's scouting secretary like that.
Other than that, I don't care how big a mess the team or cap is, it can be fixed if done right, but those two things pretty much guarantee you are going to fail.
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CWood21
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| spilltray wrote: | | Other than that, I don't care how big a mess the team or cap is, it can be fixed if done right, but those two things pretty much guarantee you are going to fail. |
On second thought, the Jets situation might be a good idea. Basically bite the bullet on this year. Cut Sanchez, get Rex Ryan fired, and then basically burn the team to the ground to rebuild it.
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| CWood21 wrote: | | spilltray wrote: | | Other than that, I don't care how big a mess the team or cap is, it can be fixed if done right, but those two things pretty much guarantee you are going to fail. |
On second thought, the Jets situation might be a good idea. Basically bite the bullet on this year. Cut Sanchez, get Rex Ryan fired, and then basically burn the team to the ground to rebuild it. |
Except there owner wants to mess with things from the sound of it. Other than that? Sure I completely agree, it would be a good job.
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52 ex-NFL players are on coaching staffs of 12 playoff teams...Packers have most (11) ex-players while Pats have fewest (1). |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | And again -- not sure if it made it on-air tonight -- John Dorsey is the clear-cut favorite to become KC's GM. Heckert's second on the list. |
https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/287364573575647233
Sounds like it's Dorsey's job to turn down. Will he want to play #2 to Andy Reid?
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HiccupGuy
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I was wondering if anyone could tell me some stuff about Dorsey? He intrigues me but I don't know much about him. The things that I have heard about him, I like.
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| It seems like Tom Gamble is the favorite to land the GM job for the Jets. |
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Plus he'd have to be a chief. Puke!
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| Quote: | | MT @JasonLaCanfora: #Packers personnel man John Dorsey interviewing for Chiefs GM job today. The likely choice since Andy Reid got there. |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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| justo wrote: | | Quote: | | MT @JasonLaCanfora: #Packers personnel man John Dorsey interviewing for Chiefs GM job today. The likely choice since Andy Reid got there. |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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Clark Hunt has made it repeatedly known since Monday's presser that the GM has final say on draft and personnel.
Anyone wanna talk about him? He has a pretty good track record on paper.
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