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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:49 pm    Post subject: now to the offseason... Reply with quote

Antoine Winfield, 35, has completed his 14th season in the league and has one year left on his contract. He said he plans to be back in 2013.

"Without a doubt," he said. "I've got to get 15 in. That's a good number."



Defensive end Jared Allen said after the game that he will have surgery on his right shoulder to correct a torn labrum, the first surgery of his career.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/185774582.html?refer=y



Important offseason dates:


BigDog74 wrote:
Also figured I'd make a post about the Important Off-Season Dates.

Here they are:

Jan. 19th- East-West Shrine Game

Jan. 26th- Senior Bowl

Feb. 2nd- Texas-Nation All-Star Game

Feb. 20th-26th- NFL Scouting Combine

Mar. 12th @ 3 p.m Central Time- 2012 League Year Ends. 2013 FA Begins/Trades Can Occur
(Clubs must submit Qualifying Offers to RFA. Submit Contracts To ERFAs prior to 3 p.m. All clubs must be under the Salary Cap)

Mar. 17th-20th- Annual League Meeting
(Possible rule changes. Perhaps a Harvin trade?)

Apr. 25-27th- NFL Draft

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Winfield returning would be huge, need to extend him and get that salary down though.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hopefully Winfield is willing to take a paycut it doesn't even need to be a big one just a little relief. I think it's very important to keep him around if possible the defense is different when he's out there. Glad to see Jared is getting the surgery right away. I'm assuming he should be ready for pre-season? I'm not real familiar with how a Torn Shoulder Labrum heals.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Percy Harvin, Antoine Winfield, Kevin Williams, Phil Loadholt, Jasper Brinkley, Erin Henderson, Jamarca Sanford, Jerome Simpson and Marcus Sherels are all starters who either have an expiring contract or other reason why their future with the team is in question.

The roster could look very differently once training camp rolls around.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The notion that Winfield needs to take a pay cut is ridiculous. It would be nice if he did, but he played at a very high level, and he should get paid what he deserves, regardless of his age. I'm not saying you give him a 5 year deal, but to say that he needs to take a pay cut because he's in his mid-30's is ridiculous. You don't cut the pay of those who exceed your expectations. Guys like Jerome Simpson, Erin Henderson, Kevin Williams, and John Carlson are the type of guys that you ask to take a pay cut.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[UMN] wrote:
Percy Harvin, Antoine Winfield, Kevin Williams, Phil Loadholt, Jasper Brinkley, Erin Henderson, Jamarca Sanford, Jerome Simpson and Marcus Sherels are all starters who either have an expiring contract or other reason why their future with the team is in question.

The roster could look very differently once training camp rolls around.


I would guess most of those players are let go, nor really have a future as starters.

Brinkley, Simpson and Henderson are all poor starters who need to be replaced anyway.

Williams is an old declining starter, we can move on.

Sherels is garbage.

Sanford is a good backup and special teams player.

Winfield is still a good player but he is under contract and wont be going anywhere.

Harvin can yield the team one or two valuable draft picks to further improve the roster. With his replacement on the roster (Wright), its not really a loss.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vikingsrule wrote:
Williams is an old declining starter, we can move on.


This year's Steve Hutchinson?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of the list:

Kevin Williams
Jasper Brinkley
Erin Henderson
Jerome Simpson
Marcus Sherels

Most in jeporady of not returning
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Klomp wrote:
vikingsrule wrote:
Williams is an old declining starter, we can move on.


This year's Steve Hutchinson?


Or E.J. Henderson. I see no value in paying Kevin Williams market value. He isnt part of the future, his replacement has largely been groomed (Ballard), and spending $5+ million on him hinders adding younger players or free agents who could have a longer-term impact.

As we have seen with the rebuild, sometimes you have to roll the dice with young players and unlike Winfield, Williams is a declining player.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wcblack34 wrote:
The notion that Winfield needs to take a pay cut is ridiculous. It would be nice if he did, but he played at a very high level, and he should get paid what he deserves, regardless of his age. I'm not saying you give him a 5 year deal, but to say that he needs to take a pay cut because he's in his mid-30's is ridiculous. You don't cut the pay of those who exceed your expectations. Guys like Jerome Simpson, Erin Henderson, Kevin Williams, and John Carlson are the type of guys that you ask to take a pay cut.


Completely agree. Antoine was one of the better corners in the league this season. And people want him to take a cut? Imagine how that conversation would go with him and his representation. Laughing
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What I would like.

1. QB to compete with Ponder. He deserves now to start coming into next year but not without competition.

2. A number 1 WR through draft or FA.

3. Draft a CB, thinking 1st round.

4. Take care of the DT, OG positions.
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5. LB's who can cover.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NEEDS:

1. LG - need to replace Johnson, who should be cut ($$$).
2. #1 WR - no explanation needed. Bowe/Jennings/Wallace would be ideal.
3. #2 QB - Joe Webb doesn't belong in the NFL. need a backup to Ponder.
4. LB - need a LB who can cover in the nickel. either a WLB, MLB or both.
5. DT - will KWill be back? Either way we need at least one new DT.
6. FS - Raymond is a disappointment and Sanford should stick to ST's.
7. #2 WR - Jenkins/Simpson are both #3/4 guys at best. we need an upgrade.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ktarinze wrote:
What I would like.

1. QB to compete with Ponder. He deserves now to start coming into next year but not without competition.


Does that mean you're going to update your sig?

Vikings fan give ponder every excuse. What has he done to be given so much excuses.
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this providence wrote:
wcblack34 wrote:
The notion that Winfield needs to take a pay cut is ridiculous. It would be nice if he did, but he played at a very high level, and he should get paid what he deserves, regardless of his age. I'm not saying you give him a 5 year deal, but to say that he needs to take a pay cut because he's in his mid-30's is ridiculous. You don't cut the pay of those who exceed your expectations. Guys like Jerome Simpson, Erin Henderson, Kevin Williams, and John Carlson are the type of guys that you ask to take a pay cut.


Completely agree. Antoine was one of the better corners in the league this season. And people want him to take a cut? Imagine how that conversation would go with him and his representation. Laughing


You're not taking into account one of the reasons he was so good this year: A much more limited role in the defense. He wasn't starting every game, he wasn't defending the opposing team's best receiver, and the coaching staff rested him whenever they could (There was a story about this a month or so back, I think with the Star Tribune, though I don't remember for sure - I'm not just pulling this out of my behind).

So while he was a key player, he was also more of a role player than in years past. With the expectation of a limited role in the defense going forward, I would think a minor pay cut would be understandable.
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