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What do you think?
I wouldn't say I hate it.
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More like I wouldn't mind.
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Nah, I hate it.
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I actually like it.
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WaterBear56


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:43 am    Post subject: My Offseason Reply with quote

Starting Offseason Estimated Cap: 45M

Starting Depth Chart:(36)
QB: Ryan Tannehill
RB: Lamar Miller, Daniel Thomas, Jonas Gray
FB: Jorvorskie Lane
WR: Davone Bess, Rishard Mathews, Armon Binns
TE: Charles Clay, Michael Egnew, Kyle Miller
OT: Jonathan Martin, Will Yeatman
G: Richie Incognito, John Jerry
C: Mike Pouncey, Josh Samuda

DE: Cameron Wake, Olivier Vernon, Derrick Shelby
DT: Paul Soliai, Jared Odrick, Kheeston Randall
LB: Karlos Dansby, Kevin Burnett, Koa Misi, Josh Kaddu
CB: Richard Marshall, Nolan Carroll, Dimitri Patterson
S: Reshad Jones, Jimmy Wilson, Kelcie McCray

PK: Dan Carpenter
P: Brandon Fields
LS: John Denney

Free Agents:(23)
QB Matt Moore, Pat Devlin*
RB Reggie Bush, Marcus Thigpen*
WR Brian Hartline, Marlon Moore*
TE Anthony Fasano, Jeron Mastrud*
OT Jake Long, Patrick Brown
G Nate Garner
DT Randy Starks, Tony McDaniel
LB Jason Trusnik, Austin Spitler*, Jonathan Freeny
CB Sean Smith, RJ Stanford, Bryan McCann
S Chris Clemons, Tyron Culver, Jonathan Amaya*
K Nate Kaeding
*RFA

Tag:(0)

Resign:(14)
QB Pat Devlin*
RB Reggie Bush 3.5M/yr, Marcus Thigpen*
WR Brian Hartline 7M/yr, Marlon Moore*
G Nate Garner
DT Randy Starks 6M/yr, Tony McDaniel 2M/yr
LB Jason Trusnik, Austin Spitler*
CB Sean Smith 7.5M/yr, RJ Stanford
S Chris Clemons 2.5M/yr, Jonathan Amaya*
*RFA

Trade:(1)
Paul Soliai---Chargers 4th Round Pick

Mid-Offseason Estimated Cap: 16M

Cut:(9)
RB Jonas Gray
FB Jorvorskie Lane
WR Armon Binns
TE Kyle Miller
OT Will Yeatman
G Richie Incognito
CB Dimitri Patterson
S Kelcie McCray
K Dan Carpenter

2nd Mid-Offseason Estimated Cap: 31M

Sign:(3)
WR Greg Jennings 8.5M/yr
DE Conner Barwin 5.5M/yr
OT Rashad Butler 2M/yr

3rd Mid-Offseason Estimated Cap: 15M

Draft:(10)
1. OT Eric Fisher, Central Michigan
2. TE Tyler Eifert, Notre Dame
2.(IND) G Alvin Bailey, Arkansas
3. CB Logan Ryan, Rutgers
3.(CHI) G Omoregie Uzzi, Georgia Tech
4.(SD) S Zeke Motta, Notre Dame
4. WR Ryan Swoop, Texas A&M
5. K Dustin Hopkins, Florida State
6.(COMP) FB Trey Millard, Oklahoma
7. QB Brad Sorensen, Southern Utah

Final Offseason Estimated Cap: 5M

Final Depth Chart:(53)
QB: Ryan Tannehill, Pat Devlin, Brad Sorensen*
RB: Reggie Bush, Lamar Miller, Daniel Thomas, Marcus Thigpen
FB: Trey Millard*
WR: Greg Jennings#, Brian Hartline, Davone Bess, Ryan Swoop*, Marlon Moore, Rishard Mathews
TE: Tyler Eifert*, Charles Clay, Michael Egnew
OT: Eric Fisher*, Jonathan Martin, Rashad Butler#
G: Alvin Bailey*, Omoregie Uzzi*, Nate Garner, John Jerry
C: Mike Pouncey, Josh Samuda

DE: Cameron Wake, Conner Barwin#, Olivier Vernon, Derrick Shelby
DT: Randy Starks, Jared Odrick, Tony McDaniel, Kheeston Randall
LB: Karlos Dansby, Kevin Burnett, Koa Misi, Jason Trusnik, Austin Spitler, Josh Kaddu
CB: Sean Smith, Richard Marshall, Logan Ryan*, Nolan Carroll, RJ Stanford
S: Reshad Jones, Chris Clemons, Jimmy Wilson, Zeke Motta*, Jonathan Amaya

PK: Dustin Hopkins*
P: Brandon Fields
LS: John Denney
*Rookies
#Signings

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I doubt Logan Ryan will be there in the 3rd. If he has lukewarm numbers at the combine I can see him going late in the second, but I think when it's all said and done he has a very realistic shot to drop into the 1st round. I see him as the #3 CB hands down right now.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

green4gulf wrote:
I doubt Logan Ryan will be there in the 3rd. If he has lukewarm numbers at the combine I can see him going late in the second, but I think when it's all said and done he has a very realistic shot to drop into the 1st round. I see him as the #3 CB hands down right now.


I don't think Ryan's is anything more than a very talented nickle corner. He struggles with larger receivers and has trouble covering deep routes. His straight line speed is also a question mark although he does have plenty of agility. His ball skills are enough to get him a 2nd round grade but I wouldn't be surprised if some teams go with the more physically talented corners in the first and second.

That said, I could easily be wrong about him. We'll know for sure once the season starts.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not bad, though I expect Eifert go in the 20's (UNLESS another TE passes him).

Logan Ryan is locked in as a second round pick right now, with the potential to rise. Unless something happens (terrible combine, off the field or injury) he is unlikely to fall.

I like your two OG especially because how you addressed the offensive tackle position earlier.

I think a more realistic first few rounds (sticking to your script) would be:

Fisher, Ertz TE Stanford, Bailey, Bradley Roby CB OSU, Uzzi

I doubt the Dolphins cut Richie Incognito because he had a pretty good year this year and got better as the season went on (which shows he adjusted to the ZBS).

I probably would avoid Swope just because I think his skillset is redundant with Hartline and Bess already here. More of a personal preference, though I understand it.

I think Jonas Gray is going to training camp, the team invested a whole season in his rehab and by all accounts they like him.

Jason Trusnik already has been extended so you don't have to count him in your resignings.

While I doubt the Dolphins trade Soliai that is about what he would cost. Unsure of the dead money he would create though, probably significant.

Dolphins really like Yeatman and Binns too. I'm sure they at least get to training camp.

Patterson likely will stay too on a restructured deal, the Dolphins wanted to sign him last offseason but were outbid.

Free agency is good. Barwin could be a bargain because he had a down year. My concern is that his production increased when he went into a 3-4 defense, but also was not the premier rusher. He wouldn't be the premier rusher here, but also would play DE. Overall he is interesting, young and a pretty good price.

I definitely like the direction of this though.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Incognito is the type of player that Philbin doesn't like and doesn't fit our offensive scheme yet saves 4M's worth. I think he'll be one of the first cut.

I can see Gray making it into camp, your right. Originally I had Gray, McCray, and Lane all making it too camp but with only 3 people over 53 I just added them to the original cuts list since it has more to do with showing the progression of the cap than timing of the action. When was Trusnik resigned?

I don't see Binns making it into camp. Not after this last game and the new possible receivers we can bring in. We may like Yeatman all we want but facts are he is 270 pounds and too small for the position. Never even played a down and is costing us a roster spot.

Soliai would cost about 2M in dead money. But would free up 5M in cap. Patterson is making 4.5M and has been cut by 4 or 5 different teams all intending to make him a nickle corner. He is bad and expensive.

As for the draft, since two people have already said it's unrealistic even though I took measures against just that, I can revise it. Roby is one of the corners I can see easily usurping Ryan though so I don't know how he makes sense. I'll think on it for now.

Thanks for the input guys.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like Greg Jennings and wouldnt be disapointed if we grab him I just hope we follow it up with drafting a WR that Tannehill can grow with for years also. There is a article on ESPN AFC east blog today with members of jennings family saying jennings wants to play for Miami if green bay doesnt sign him. I knew it was a matter of time before something like this came up. Not sure Eifert makes it to pick 44 but a trade up is possible or sign jennings and draft wheaton or woods in round 2
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

P R I C K disclaimer: THis is just my opinion and I acknowledge I could be dead wrong: T H A T S A I D !!!

1. Not cool with Pat Devlin being our most experienced QB
2. The TE position is a female dog to learn in the NFL. You have to master two positions where as most of your team mates master one. If we ad a body to the TE depth chart, I need a proven vet.
3. What was wrong with JAvorskie Lane ?
4. So we are gonna use the last game of the season to press the panic button with our first pick ? Give Martin a chance at his natural position. He was a high pick that played the majority of his games at a different position. Then he went to LT and settled that position down for us.
5. Far from enough done for the pass rush. Screw Barwin.
6. Do something about Dansby before we suffer for it.
6. Same thing for the DBs with all the picks and cap money, there's not enough to show for it. Again .... see the disclaimer.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dolphinologist wrote:
P R I C K disclaimer: THis is just my opinion and I acknowledge I could be dead wrong: T H A T S A I D !!!

1. Not cool with Pat Devlin being our most experienced QB
2. The TE position is a female dog to learn in the NFL. You have to master two positions where as most of your team mates master one. If we ad a body to the TE depth chart, I need a proven vet.
3. What was wrong with JAvorskie Lane ?
4. So we are gonna use the last game of the season to press the panic button with our first pick ? Give Martin a chance at his natural position. He was a high pick that played the majority of his games at a different position. Then he went to LT and settled that position down for us.
5. Far from enough done for the pass rush. Screw Barwin.
6. Do something about Dansby before we suffer for it.
6. Same thing for the DBs with all the picks and cap money, there's not enough to show for it. Again .... see the disclaimer.


1. I know, me neither. I looked into several back-up QB's and they all are pretty bad.

2. I disagree here. Most TE's either simply block or catch. Finding one that does both well is very difficult. The only thing we succeed in doing by bringing in a veteran is getting a blocker. Receiving is more important for this team's development right now. I also wanted a veteran here rather than a draft pick a few weeks ago but I'm starting to change my mind especially considering the weak TE's in FA.

3. Notice that Lane disappeared for a long time? Fact is that he can't block. If we want a receiver on the field, might as well go with Bush or Thomas. Philbin wants a true FB, someone that can pound into the line and I drafted one.

4. Not at all, Long is gonna be gone and I trust Fisher more than Martin. At the end of the day, Martin was second round pick that struggled in his first year, no matter how far his potential can be. If he impresses in training camp then put him on the left side.

5. Short of drafting a DE, Barwin is a nice pickup that can rotate with Vernon on the edge. Odrick at DT will also help out more than Soliai. Unlike you, I thought focusing on offensive linemen in the draft would be better than going defense. Oline is another weak position in FA.

6. I hate Dansby's contract! I would put in a restructure in there but I don't know if it'll actually happen and I wasn't in cap hell or anything.

7. We have solid starters all over our backfield. Our problem is the pass rush. QB's know that they only have to watch out for Wake. With Barwin on the edge and Odrick replacing Soliai, I think we have a much improved pass rushing front 4. Richard Marshall coming back healthy should help our our corners and I drafted another corner and safety for nickle and quarter help.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WaterBear56 wrote:
dolphinologist wrote:
P R I C K disclaimer: THis is just my opinion and I acknowledge I could be dead wrong: T H A T S A I D !!!

1. Not cool with Pat Devlin being our most experienced QB
2. The TE position is a female dog to learn in the NFL. You have to master two positions where as most of your team mates master one. If we ad a body to the TE depth chart, I need a proven vet.
3. What was wrong with JAvorskie Lane ?
4. So we are gonna use the last game of the season to press the panic button with our first pick ? Give Martin a chance at his natural position. He was a high pick that played the majority of his games at a different position. Then he went to LT and settled that position down for us.
5. Far from enough done for the pass rush. Screw Barwin.
6. Do something about Dansby before we suffer for it.
6. Same thing for the DBs with all the picks and cap money, there's not enough to show for it. Again .... see the disclaimer.


2. I disagree here. Most TE's either simply block or catch. Finding one that does both well is very difficult. The only thing we succeed in doing by bringing in a veteran is getting a blocker. Receiving is more important for this team's development right now. I also wanted a veteran here rather than a draft pick a few weeks ago but I'm starting to change my mind especially considering the weak TE's in FA.


I have to disagree here. I think the only reason they are putting so much emphasis on our TEs blocking is because our OL is so bad we have to have TEs to stay in and block.

It does take time to develop TEs. Vernon Davis didn't just show up his rookie year. It took him time to develop. Most TEs take about 3 years to develop. I am all for bringing in veterans and resigning Fasano but you have to give the rookie time to develop into a good player.
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WaterBear56 wrote:
dolphinologist wrote:
P R I C K disclaimer: THis is just my opinion and I acknowledge I could be dead wrong: T H A T S A I D !!!

1. Not cool with Pat Devlin being our most experienced QB
2. The TE position is a female dog to learn in the NFL. You have to master two positions where as most of your team mates master one. If we ad a body to the TE depth chart, I need a proven vet.
3. What was wrong with JAvorskie Lane ?
4. So we are gonna use the last game of the season to press the panic button with our first pick ? Give Martin a chance at his natural position. He was a high pick that played the majority of his games at a different position. Then he went to LT and settled that position down for us.
5. Far from enough done for the pass rush. Screw Barwin.
6. Do something about Dansby before we suffer for it.
6. Same thing for the DBs with all the picks and cap money, there's not enough to show for it. Again .... see the disclaimer.


4. Not at all, Long is gonna be gone and I trust Fisher more than Martin. At the end of the day, Martin was second round pick that struggled in his first year, no matter how far his potential can be. If he impresses in training camp then put him on the left side.



So we're going to end up with Fisher at RT? Would much rather take care of our pass rush or secondary in the first round but maybe that's just me.
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Emerica wrote:
WaterBear56 wrote:
dolphinologist wrote:
P R I C K disclaimer: THis is just my opinion and I acknowledge I could be dead wrong: T H A T S A I D !!!

1. Not cool with Pat Devlin being our most experienced QB
2. The TE position is a female dog to learn in the NFL. You have to master two positions where as most of your team mates master one. If we ad a body to the TE depth chart, I need a proven vet.
3. What was wrong with JAvorskie Lane ?
4. So we are gonna use the last game of the season to press the panic button with our first pick ? Give Martin a chance at his natural position. He was a high pick that played the majority of his games at a different position. Then he went to LT and settled that position down for us.
5. Far from enough done for the pass rush. Screw Barwin.
6. Do something about Dansby before we suffer for it.
6. Same thing for the DBs with all the picks and cap money, there's not enough to show for it. Again .... see the disclaimer.


4. Not at all, Long is gonna be gone and I trust Fisher more than Martin. At the end of the day, Martin was second round pick that struggled in his first year, no matter how far his potential can be. If he impresses in training camp then put him on the left side.



So we're going to end up with Fisher at RT? Would much rather take care of our pass rush or secondary in the first round but maybe that's just me.


Fisher doesn't seem to be the BPA at our pick at 12. I think we have to go with BPA regardless of position.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

12 is a horrible place to be. We are hoping that a top tackle or end falls but I don't think anyone will especially with the lack of QB's in this draft. It was between Fisher and Banks for me. I don't think a first round corner will help this team as much as reshaping our oline which has 3 gaping holes currently.

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I have to disagree here. I think the only reason they are putting so much emphasis on our TEs blocking is because our OL is so bad we have to have TEs to stay in and block.

It does take time to develop TEs. Vernon Davis didn't just show up his rookie year. It took him time to develop. Most TEs take about 3 years to develop. I am all for bringing in veterans and resigning Fasano but you have to give the rookie time to develop into a good player.


If we bring in a veteran, all they will do is take play time away from Clay and Egnew while blocking all the time. They are going to block because they cannot route run well enough for this offense, just like Fasano. If Fasano could catch the ball then he would be catching the ball.

I know it takes time for TE's to develop and I have lofty expectations for both but that doesn't mean they will get there. The chance that Egnew is a bust is high and we could do with two very good TE's in the case that Clay fixes his consistency issues.
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WaterBear56 wrote:

2. I disagree here. Most TE's either simply block or catch. Finding one that does both well is very difficult. The only thing we succeed in doing by bringing in a veteran is getting a blocker. Receiving is more important for this team's development right now. I also wanted a veteran here rather than a draft pick a few weeks ago but I'm starting to change my mind especially considering the weak TE's in FA.


If a vet that can run routes, block and catch is available. His experience and 1 less thing to worry about in the draft is the tie breaker in the discussion.

WaterBear56 wrote:

3. Notice that Lane disappeared for a long time? Fact is that he can't block. If we want a receiver on the field, might as well go with Bush or Thomas. Philbin wants a true FB, someone that can pound into the line and I drafted one. .

Ok fine ... I wish there was another way, tho.

WaterBear56 wrote:

4. Not at all, Long is gonna be gone and I trust Fisher more than Martin. At the end of the day, Martin was second round pick that struggled in his first year, no matter how far his potential can be. If he impresses in training camp then put him on the left side.


Your trust of Fisher over Martin can't be based on anything concrete or thorough. I'm in favor of letting Martin develop with some real ZBS guards to his right. He only had a handful of games at his natural position.

WaterBear56 wrote:

5. Short of drafting a DE, Barwin is a nice pickup that can rotate with Vernon on the edge. Odrick at DT will also help out more than Soliai. Unlike you, I thought focusing on offensive linemen in the draft would be better than going defense. Oline is another weak position in FA.


We want to do too many things with that position to put it in the hands of Conner Barwin. That's skimping on the position. We want to decrease time that the opposing QB has in the pocket from his blind side. That helps the DBs and changes the game. What that accomplishes is well worth a larger investment. Especially when it's a strength in the draft


WaterBear56 wrote:

7. We have solid starters all over our backfield. Our problem is the pass rush. QB's know that they only have to watch out for Wake. With Barwin on the edge and Odrick replacing Soliai, I think we have a much improved pass rushing front 4. Richard Marshall coming back healthy should help our our corners and I drafted another corner and safety for nickle and quarter help.


I guess it's just opinion that Barwin is not enough ... I don't even think he's better than Odrick and that's not his natural position.
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I just don't trust any FA TE to be any more useful than Fasano was. I trust Clay as a starter more.

Martin is just potential right now. He is smart and technically sound but if he isn't strong enough then he isn't strong enough. Everything depends on his development in the offseason. I guess we just have different levels of trust.

As for the pass rush, mine isn't too different from what you had. Barwin instead of Ensah and Odrick as a full time starter rather than Soliai. I think both of those would produce around the same amount of pressure.
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