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cochise
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| goldfishwars wrote: | | That's a lot of recent 2nd round picks falling down the plughole now. This year we took Tavon Wilson... |
Who would you rather have over Tavon Wilson?
Kendell Reyes DL
Casey Hayward CB
Rueben Randle WR |
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mcmurtry86
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| Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| cochise wrote: | | goldfishwars wrote: | | That's a lot of recent 2nd round picks falling down the plughole now. This year we took Tavon Wilson... |
Who would you rather have over Tavon Wilson?
Kendell Reyes DL
Casey Hayward CB
Rueben Randle WR |
The list of people who I'd rather have over Tavon Wilson is quite substantial.
He showed next to nothing this year other than poor coverage ability and an ability to be in the right place when opposing QB's make horrifically brain-dead throws. |
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NinjaZX6R
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| Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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| cochise wrote: | | goldfishwars wrote: | | That's a lot of recent 2nd round picks falling down the plughole now. This year we took Tavon Wilson... |
Who would you rather have over Tavon Wilson?
Kendell Reyes DL
Casey Hayward CB
Rueben Randle WR |
Those two.
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cochise
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| Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 12:33 am Post subject: |
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| mcmurtry86 wrote: | | cochise wrote: | | goldfishwars wrote: | | That's a lot of recent 2nd round picks falling down the plughole now. This year we took Tavon Wilson... |
Who would you rather have over Tavon Wilson?
Kendell Reyes DL
Casey Hayward CB
Rueben Randle WR |
The list of people who I'd rather have over Tavon Wilson is quite substantial.
He showed next to nothing this year other than poor coverage ability and an ability to be in the right place when opposing QB's make horrifically brain-dead throws. |
Well, who else? The 3 above are the only 2nd rounders picked after Wilson that I thought have shown ability. |
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24isthelaw
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| Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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| cochise wrote: | | mcmurtry86 wrote: | | cochise wrote: | | goldfishwars wrote: | | That's a lot of recent 2nd round picks falling down the plughole now. This year we took Tavon Wilson... |
Who would you rather have over Tavon Wilson?
Kendell Reyes DL
Casey Hayward CB
Rueben Randle WR |
The list of people who I'd rather have over Tavon Wilson is quite substantial.
He showed next to nothing this year other than poor coverage ability and an ability to be in the right place when opposing QB's make horrifically brain-dead throws. |
Well, who else? The 3 above are the only 2nd rounders picked after Wilson that I thought have shown ability. |
Trumaine Johnson is a beast.
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mcmurtry86
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| Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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| cochise wrote: |
Well, who else? The 3 above are the only 2nd rounders picked after Wilson that I thought have shown ability. |
Zach Brown
Jerel Worthy
Kelechi Osemele
Lavonte David
LaMichael James
Those guys didn't show ability?
What about the 3rd rounders? There are probably a dozen guys in the third who showed more:
Dwayne Allen
Trumaine Johnson
Josh Robinson
Olivier Vernon
Russell Wilson
Tyrone Crawford
Mike Martin
Mo Sanu
Bernard Pierce
Nick Foles
TY Hilton
Jayron Hosley
Now not all of those guys fit or were at positions of need (e.g. the QB's) but of the 46 guys taken in the 2nd and 3rd round after Tavon Wilson, a good third of them were demonstrably better or showed much better upside (if in more limited duty) and I'd say another third of them showed enough to think that they will be better uses of a 2nd round pick.
It's one thing (and a silly one at that) to bash the pick at the time because Wilson wasn't listed as a valuable prospect by the "experts." But we've seen a year of Tavon Wilson and he was thoroughly underwhelming. I didn't see any flashes of great upside that made me think "so THAT'S what Belichick saw that everyone else was missing."
There's still time for him to turn it around, but as of now it looks like a pretty bad pick (as does Bequette but that's for another thread) |
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Sciz
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| Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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| There are some really bizarre names on that list, most notably James, Crawford, and Sanu. None of the three really did much of note at all. |
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mcmurtry86
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| Sciz wrote: | | There are some really bizarre names on that list, most notably James, Crawford, and Sanu. None of the three really did much of note at all. |
LaMichael James beat the Pats with his kick return and showed a lot of promise as a multi-dimensional threat. Think the Pats couldn't use a kick returner in the playoffs?
Tyrone Crawford didn't put up big numbers, true, but when I saw him he looked like he was promising and certainly would have been more useful than Brace with solid upside.
Sanu looked to be developing into a decent possession #2/3 WR in Cincinnati before going down with an injury - pretty much the guy many of us thought he would be. The Bengals weren't really using him beyond 5 yards but that's IMO more of a function of Green and the scheme than anything he can or can't do. Think he wouldn't have been useful instead of the menagerie of old or crappy WR's the Pats have had?
I don't really see them as odd inclusions, certainly not James or Sanu. Crawford is a bit more of a personal preference but the Pats DL could use more depth and IMO he's more likely to become a solid starting caliber player than Tavon Wilson.
If you just looked at the stats, you'd probably think Wilson was a good 2nd round pick who contributed a lot this year. Going into the playoffs and next year, James and Sanu would be better (if they were healthy) and more useful pieces and Crawford might be (again, personal preference on him). |
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goldfishwars
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:52 am Post subject: |
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| cochise wrote: | | goldfishwars wrote: | | That's a lot of recent 2nd round picks falling down the plughole now. This year we took Tavon Wilson... |
Who would you rather have over Tavon Wilson?
Kendell Reyes DL
Casey Hayward CB
Rueben Randle WR |
Is this even a question? Apart from the guys mentioned above, there's a whole host of guys in the 3rd and 4th (and beyond) who I'd take above him. We took a guy in the second when most didn't even foresee him being drafted, it was a bad pick at the time and it's a worse pick now we know it appears to be every bit the kind of talent mis-evaluation many suspected. |
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