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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I watched him against UCONN, VIRGINIA and MARYLAND... ALL no name schools where this guy completed barely 50% of his passes. This doesnt jump out and say DRAFT ME... thats why I am not impressed.


The UConn game was an embarassment, but at that point in the season, State had no running game and the wind was blowing 20-30 mph the whole game. The Maryland game, it seemed as if all the receivers suddenly lost their hands and were trying to catch with nubs. I didn't watch the UVA game, but I do know the entire team came out flat for no apparent reason and that was the beginning of the end for Tom O'Brien. You couldn't have picked three worse games to see him play.

I can tell you that he carried the offense for the entire season, and I can tell you from watching two years of him and three years of Russell Wilson that Glennon is the better QB. And I think at this point, that's some pretty high praise.
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Here's how I see it:

NO to taking a QB next year in the draft. We just signed Schaub to a 4 yr. extension and even if he doesn't do the whole 4 yrs. he'll do at least 3 yrs. barring serious injury. I don't want to even look at a QB until the 2014 draft at the earliest and more likely the 2015 draft. If we get a good guy with potential for the future he should only need 1-2 yrs. to sit behind Schaub before starting.

IF we have 3 comp. picks (rounds 3,5, and 6 I'm guessing) then we need to trade our regular picks for some extra 2nd round picks with quality potential, not projects. Also in the trade talk should be Ben Tate, and possibly T.J. Yates. We should have in the area of 10-12 picks and we need quality not quantity. We also don't need to be drafting projects that might or might not turn out to be NFL players 2-3 yrs. after the draft. This BS that Kubiak has going on about wasting a 3rd round pick on project players like Jacoby Jones, Antwaun Molden, and Posey is just nuts when there are perfectly decent picks to be had that don't take yrs. to turn into a backup. The 2nd-4th rounds are where you find the heart of your team, the 20% that make your team function. Wasting a 3rd round pick on a small school maybe player is just nuts, and what the 6th and 7th rounds are for. I see our current needs as:

1. DT/NT, I saw Cody getting pushed around by a single blocker in the Colts game way to often and being a 3 mil. a yr. player and FA says bye bye to me. Kawann Short-DT from Purdue.
2. WR, regardless of what Posey, Martin, and Jean have done this year or not done, which isn't much, we need some better WR talent. Those guys should be fighting for a roster spot next training camp. Quinton Patton-WR from La. Tech. size, great hands, decent speed, field awareness, not afraid of contact, and good routes.
3. OT/OG, I want at least 1 guy in the 2nd or 3rd preferably 2 that can play both positions, good quality talent that can step in if needed or fighting for a starting spot in training camp as well as a later round OG for depth. Ricky Wagner-OT from Wisconsin.
3b. OG, Gabe Jackson-OG from Miss. St. with the comp. 3rd. Back to back O-line helps solidify the line for the future and Wade Smith will be leaving after the 2013 season, maybe sooner.
4. CB, we lose McCain in FA because even mediocre CB's are expensive and Harris steps up to take his nickle spot and a draft pick steps in to fill Harris's spot as trainable and upgradeable (is that a word) depth. Johnny Adams-CB from Mich. St. he's got size, speed, athleticism, and potential to be coached up.
5. ILB, once Cushing is back and with a better NT the other 2 down ILB spot is much less important but some young athletic stable talent with potential would be nice here. Kevin Reddick-ILB from UNC or Bruce Taylor-ILB from Va. Tech. both have size and athleticism.
5b. TE, a blocking TE would be nice, our O-line needs some size up front. Michael Williams-TE from Alabama, great size but can catch as well. 6'06" and 270 lbs. would look nice lined up next to Brown or Newton.
6. FB, a real one not a converted TE with no size for lead blocking. I know we don't use one much but in goal line situations some Vontae Leach kind of size would be nice. J.C. Copeland-FB from LSU, a Vontae Leach clone and cheaper than Clutts.
6b. Safety, some added competition in the secondary so that guys like Demps, who I like, at least have to fight for their jobs. No one in mind right now but it's not a great year for Safety so some mid round talent will fall.
7. P, field position is so important and the ability to pin someone deep in their own territory helps your defense immensely. See Bryan Anger from Jacksonville. I like Quinn Sharp-P/K from Oklahoma St. who can also be an emergency K if needed.

This draft adds size and quality to both the O-line and D-line while improving our WR corp. and adding quality depth to our secondary and stability to ILB.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Id love that draft wolf!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That draft would be nice to have if that scenarion played out I would 100% happy with that
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1 Alec Ogletree, ILB, Georgia
2 Kyle Long, OL, Oregon
3 Akeem Spence, DT, Illinois
3 Quentin Patton, WR, Louisiana Tech
4 Leon McFadden, CB, San Diego State
5 Rex Burkhead, RB, Nebraska
6 Nick Kasa, TE, Colorado
6 Margus Hunt, DE, Southern Methodist
7 Jonathan Stewart, ILB, Texas A&M
7 Sam Schwartstein, C, Stanford


I think we will end up taking a few special teams specialists (Burkhead, Hunt, Stewart). I also am convinced that ILB is our greatest need by far going into this draft.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see a mock draft that had us taking LSU LB Keith Minter in round 1, WR Quinton Patton in round 2, and LSU CB Tharold Simon in round 3. The first 2 picks fill our need, but I'm not sure we would take a CB that early in round 3.


Needs in order:

NT
ILB
WR
RT
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kenney wrote:
1 Alec Ogletree, ILB, Georgia
2 Kyle Long, OL, Oregon
3 Akeem Spence, DT, Illinois
3 Quentin Patton, WR, Louisiana Tech
4 Leon McFadden, CB, San Diego State
5 Rex Burkhead, RB, Nebraska
6 Nick Kasa, TE, Colorado
6 Margus Hunt, DE, Southern Methodist
7 Jonathan Stewart, ILB, Texas A&M
7 Sam Schwartstein, C, Stanford


I think we will end up taking a few special teams specialists (Burkhead, Hunt, Stewart). I also am convinced that ILB is our greatest need by far going into this draft.


I can't say that I necessarily agree that ILB is our greatest need (I think ILB should be addressed in the first 4 rounds), but if Ogletree is there, I'm 100% on-board with taking him. He gives us insurance for Cushing should he not recover well or at all. He could also rotate series with Cush in Nickel/Dime looks. This is why I like the BPA option, because I don't really like many other ILB, and I'd actually be a proponent of picking up Mauti somewhere in the 3-5 range, but Ogletree is a beast, and absolutely worth the pick in the first.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

treece300e wrote:
kenney wrote:
1 Alec Ogletree, ILB, Georgia
2 Kyle Long, OL, Oregon
3 Akeem Spence, DT, Illinois
3 Quentin Patton, WR, Louisiana Tech
4 Leon McFadden, CB, San Diego State
5 Rex Burkhead, RB, Nebraska
6 Nick Kasa, TE, Colorado
6 Margus Hunt, DE, Southern Methodist
7 Jonathan Stewart, ILB, Texas A&M
7 Sam Schwartstein, C, Stanford


I think we will end up taking a few special teams specialists (Burkhead, Hunt, Stewart). I also am convinced that ILB is our greatest need by far going into this draft.


I can't say that I necessarily agree that ILB is our greatest need (I think ILB should be addressed in the first 4 rounds), but if Ogletree is there, I'm 100% on-board with taking him. He gives us insurance for Cushing should he not recover well or at all. He could also rotate series with Cush in Nickel/Dime looks. This is why I like the BPA option, because I don't really like many other ILB, and I'd actually be a proponent of picking up Mauti somewhere in the 3-5 range, but Ogletree is a beast, and absolutely worth the pick in the first.


I don't see how anyone can disagree with ILB being the number one priority. Houston has, bar none, the worst ILBs in the league now that Cushing is out.

Between Tim Dobbins, Bradie James, Barrett Ruud, and Darryl Sharpton, I'm not confident that ANY of those guys would make another NFL roster. We're too good of a team to be in this sort of position.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kenney wrote:
treece300e wrote:
kenney wrote:
1 Alec Ogletree, ILB, Georgia
2 Kyle Long, OL, Oregon
3 Akeem Spence, DT, Illinois
3 Quentin Patton, WR, Louisiana Tech
4 Leon McFadden, CB, San Diego State
5 Rex Burkhead, RB, Nebraska
6 Nick Kasa, TE, Colorado
6 Margus Hunt, DE, Southern Methodist
7 Jonathan Stewart, ILB, Texas A&M
7 Sam Schwartstein, C, Stanford


I think we will end up taking a few special teams specialists (Burkhead, Hunt, Stewart). I also am convinced that ILB is our greatest need by far going into this draft.


I can't say that I necessarily agree that ILB is our greatest need (I think ILB should be addressed in the first 4 rounds), but if Ogletree is there, I'm 100% on-board with taking him. He gives us insurance for Cushing should he not recover well or at all. He could also rotate series with Cush in Nickel/Dime looks. This is why I like the BPA option, because I don't really like many other ILB, and I'd actually be a proponent of picking up Mauti somewhere in the 3-5 range, but Ogletree is a beast, and absolutely worth the pick in the first.


I don't see how anyone can disagree with ILB being the number one priority. Houston has, bar none, the worst ILBs in the league now that Cushing is out.

Between Tim Dobbins, Bradie James, Barrett Ruud, and Darryl Sharpton, I'm not confident that ANY of those guys would make another NFL roster. We're too good of a team to be in this sort of position.


Dobbins and Sharpton are players that would make an NFL roster. I just don't seen them as "starting inside linebackers", but they are pretty solid backups. Nose tackle is a bigger need than ILB IMO. You can find good 3/4 ILB's after round 1 in the drafts. If there is a nose tackle worth taking when we pick in round 1 I say we should pull the trigger.
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kenney wrote:
treece300e wrote:
kenney wrote:
1 Alec Ogletree, ILB, Georgia
2 Kyle Long, OL, Oregon
3 Akeem Spence, DT, Illinois
3 Quentin Patton, WR, Louisiana Tech
4 Leon McFadden, CB, San Diego State
5 Rex Burkhead, RB, Nebraska
6 Nick Kasa, TE, Colorado
6 Margus Hunt, DE, Southern Methodist
7 Jonathan Stewart, ILB, Texas A&M
7 Sam Schwartstein, C, Stanford


I think we will end up taking a few special teams specialists (Burkhead, Hunt, Stewart). I also am convinced that ILB is our greatest need by far going into this draft.


I can't say that I necessarily agree that ILB is our greatest need (I think ILB should be addressed in the first 4 rounds), but if Ogletree is there, I'm 100% on-board with taking him. He gives us insurance for Cushing should he not recover well or at all. He could also rotate series with Cush in Nickel/Dime looks. This is why I like the BPA option, because I don't really like many other ILB, and I'd actually be a proponent of picking up Mauti somewhere in the 3-5 range, but Ogletree is a beast, and absolutely worth the pick in the first.


I don't see how anyone can disagree with ILB being the number one priority. Houston has, bar none, the worst ILBs in the league now that Cushing is out.

Between Tim Dobbins, Bradie James, Barrett Ruud, and Darryl Sharpton, I'm not confident that ANY of those guys would make another NFL roster. We're too good of a team to be in this sort of position.


Dobbins and Sharpton are players that would make an NFL roster. I just don't seen them as "starting inside linebackers", but they are pretty solid backups. Nose tackle is a bigger need than ILB IMO. You can find good 3/4 ILB's after round 1 in the drafts. If there is a nose tackle worth taking when we pick in round 1 I say we should pull the trigger.


I think everyone needs to let go of this idea that we're ever going to have a Nose Tackle that would satisfy you. This staff things Earl Mitchell and Shaun Cody are good. We are not going to suddenly go out and try to get a 6-2, 350 pound space eater.
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kenney wrote:
treece300e wrote:
kenney wrote:
1 Alec Ogletree, ILB, Georgia
2 Kyle Long, OL, Oregon
3 Akeem Spence, DT, Illinois
3 Quentin Patton, WR, Louisiana Tech
4 Leon McFadden, CB, San Diego State
5 Rex Burkhead, RB, Nebraska
6 Nick Kasa, TE, Colorado
6 Margus Hunt, DE, Southern Methodist
7 Jonathan Stewart, ILB, Texas A&M
7 Sam Schwartstein, C, Stanford


I think we will end up taking a few special teams specialists (Burkhead, Hunt, Stewart). I also am convinced that ILB is our greatest need by far going into this draft.


I can't say that I necessarily agree that ILB is our greatest need (I think ILB should be addressed in the first 4 rounds), but if Ogletree is there, I'm 100% on-board with taking him. He gives us insurance for Cushing should he not recover well or at all. He could also rotate series with Cush in Nickel/Dime looks. This is why I like the BPA option, because I don't really like many other ILB, and I'd actually be a proponent of picking up Mauti somewhere in the 3-5 range, but Ogletree is a beast, and absolutely worth the pick in the first.


I don't see how anyone can disagree with ILB being the number one priority. Houston has, bar none, the worst ILBs in the league now that Cushing is out.

Between Tim Dobbins, Bradie James, Barrett Ruud, and Darryl Sharpton, I'm not confident that ANY of those guys would make another NFL roster. We're too good of a team to be in this sort of position.


I understand that injuries are a part of the game, but teams don't typically have Pro-Bowl depth to fill in when they lose someone of that caliber. Even missing Cushing, I think our ILBs have played better than that of the Ravens, Colts, and Packers. Hawk and Freeman are decent, but their interior counterparts are awful. James has been playing better lately, and Dobbins and Sharpton are capable, though none are much good in coverage.

Even if I concede that ILB is indeed our biggest need, outside of Ogletree and maybe Mosely (both may be gone by our pick), who else is worthy of a first round, or even second round pick? How much better are they than some that will be taken in the 3rd or 4th? Not to mention, if Cushing does come back healthy, we then have an expensive ILB core and undoubtedly some wasted talent if we take one off the field 25-30% of the time. Minter and Skov would not be bad, but I don't know how much more they'd bring than Andrew Jackson, Bostic, or Alonzo for as much playing time as they'd get. I still think NT is a bigger need than ILB, but it's also necessary to evaluate who is the better talent at the position of need. Again, if Ogletree is there, I think he is a unique enough talent to pick in the first, and I wouldn't be mad about Mosely either. But taking Minter or Skov over Johnathan Jenkins or Kawann Short would be a mistake in my opinion.
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kenney wrote:
Texansfan713 wrote:
kenney wrote:
treece300e wrote:
kenney wrote:
1 Alec Ogletree, ILB, Georgia
2 Kyle Long, OL, Oregon
3 Akeem Spence, DT, Illinois
3 Quentin Patton, WR, Louisiana Tech
4 Leon McFadden, CB, San Diego State
5 Rex Burkhead, RB, Nebraska
6 Nick Kasa, TE, Colorado
6 Margus Hunt, DE, Southern Methodist
7 Jonathan Stewart, ILB, Texas A&M
7 Sam Schwartstein, C, Stanford


I think we will end up taking a few special teams specialists (Burkhead, Hunt, Stewart). I also am convinced that ILB is our greatest need by far going into this draft.


I can't say that I necessarily agree that ILB is our greatest need (I think ILB should be addressed in the first 4 rounds), but if Ogletree is there, I'm 100% on-board with taking him. He gives us insurance for Cushing should he not recover well or at all. He could also rotate series with Cush in Nickel/Dime looks. This is why I like the BPA option, because I don't really like many other ILB, and I'd actually be a proponent of picking up Mauti somewhere in the 3-5 range, but Ogletree is a beast, and absolutely worth the pick in the first.


I don't see how anyone can disagree with ILB being the number one priority. Houston has, bar none, the worst ILBs in the league now that Cushing is out.

Between Tim Dobbins, Bradie James, Barrett Ruud, and Darryl Sharpton, I'm not confident that ANY of those guys would make another NFL roster. We're too good of a team to be in this sort of position.


Dobbins and Sharpton are players that would make an NFL roster. I just don't seen them as "starting inside linebackers", but they are pretty solid backups. Nose tackle is a bigger need than ILB IMO. You can find good 3/4 ILB's after round 1 in the drafts. If there is a nose tackle worth taking when we pick in round 1 I say we should pull the trigger.


I think everyone needs to let go of this idea that we're ever going to have a Nose Tackle that would satisfy you. This staff things Earl Mitchell and Shaun Cody are good. We are not going to suddenly go out and try to get a 6-2, 350 pound space eater.


I'm not convinced they think Mitchell is starting quality. Backup maybe.

And Cody is a FA. We likely won't be able to resign him.

And it doesn't necessarilly have to be a 350 pounder. But needs to be someone that can at least take on 1 blocker and not move. This is actually shaping up to be a very good DT draft, so we can likely find one.

A two down LB is not a 1st round position. Just like RT is not a 1st round position. That's not to say we shouldn't get one relatively early (I think using one of our likely 2 3rd rounders), but 1st round is too rich for me.
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J Mcclain said something interesting to me on the radio, in that all the teams in our division are going to have to start drafting guards in the 1st round because of Watt, just like the whole division would draft pass rushers when Manning was here.
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Ya you figure if the staff thought more of Mitchell they'd play him more seeing as Cody most likely wont be back next year.

And ya there's a ton of 1st graded NT's. Star, Jenkins, Hankins, Richardson, Short, Floyd
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J Mcclain said something interesting to me on the radio, in that all the teams in our division are going to have to start drafting guards in the 1st round because of Watt, just like the whole division would draft pass rushers when Manning was here.


I heard that, as well. I have to agree. Watt is the new dominant force in the AFC South, and I have to believe that he'll have the same effect on the division that Manning did.

One interesting thing to note, though, is that NONE of the teams in the AFC South managed to find a competent pass rusher to combat Manning's dominance. I hope the rest of the division is as unsuccessful at solving the issue of JJ Watt.
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