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WizardHawk
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| THE BIG CHEEZE wrote: | 2013 free agents signed
Andy Levitre OG
Michael Johnson DE
Anthony Spencer OLB
cut/ released
Mike Jenkins
lance Dunbar
Brady Poppinga
Phillip tanner
Vince Agnew
Dan Conner
Derrick Dockery
Marcus Spears
Trades
Dallas trades their 1st pick # 17 to the Kansas City Chiefs for the first pick in the second round, and fourth round and first next year.
2nd Tavon Austin- something tells me Jerry Jones wants more play makers. I think he goes after the best Percy Harvin clone.
2nd DJ Fluker G Alabama- Big Fella
3rd Khaled Holms, C, USC
4th Seantrel Henderson OT/OG Miami
4th Montee Ball RB Wisconsin I Love his vision and nose for the end zone. I hope Jerry and Jason do to.
5th John Simon OLB THE OHIO STATE
6th Tyran Mathieu LSU DB - See what happens
7th Prentiss Waggner SS -Tennessee
7th Kevin Reddick ILB North Carolina |
Two of the biggest twits (Henderson and Mathieu) playing pigskin getting drafted by Dallas isn't going to happen. Henderson in the 4th is a massive reach too. Also, where does Tavon fit? Miles and Dez are solid 1/2 punch. Harris has been coming on. Beastly is....well, beastly.
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plan9misfit
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| THE BIG CHEEZE wrote: | | Why terrible, and why weak? |
1. We don't need a slot WR. I like Tavon Austin, but he is not a Percy Harvin clone. They're not remotely close to the same player. And if they were, I'd run away from him because Harvin isn't that good. He's above average, but he isn't anything special.
2. Khaled Holmes has injury issues. Talented kid and great value in the 3rd round, but it's something to pay attention to.
3. Seantrel Henderson is trash. Bad work ethic, never in shape, and major character issues. No thanks.
4. What role would Ball play on this team? He's really slow. I'm a big fan of Wisconsin's o-linemen, but not their RB's. The run like they're ankle deep in mud.
| Quote: | | I think Montae Ball would give us a real redzone threat from the ground thats proven in (college). |
So you want to use a 4th round pick on a guy who would only be a red zone threat? I'd rather look for a starter.
| Quote: | | Also Tavon austin would be a real threat from anywhere to score and from many positions. |
Not with our o-line he wouldn't. Our problems aren't at WR. They're on o-line. And I certainly wouldn't be interested in using a 2nd round pick on a guy who won't be a starter since he's not going to supplant either Austin or Bryant.
| Quote: | | John Simon is one of the best players Urban Meyer has ever coached. Also he has a great motor and a team captain. Yes I am biased but I love the way that kid never gives up, and he's also built like a brick. |
I'm sorry.....what? I can give you a long list of guys who are far and away superior players to John Simon whom Meyer coached. You can't possibly believe that a guy who you have as a 5th round pick can be compared to the likes of:
Alex Smith
Tim Tebow
Percy Harvin
Brandon Spikes
The Pouncey Brothers
Joe Haden
I can go on, but you get the point. Comparing anyone at Ohio State to the talent he coached at Florida is laughable and absurd.
| Quote: | | Kevin Reddick and Prentiss Wagner are great Physical talents that have not put it together yet. I also like butch davis coached defensive players. As for the honey badger, he is a play maker that could be a real player. We turned around Dez's career with some guidance and structure (fingers crossed). Why not try with the honey badger? As for the lineman I wouldn't care if we drafted 7, seriously. |
Honey Badger is hooked on drugs and is a character risk.
And we don't have any 7th round picks.
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| The_Slamman wrote: | | It's like we are in a win now mentality with lose now personnel. |
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Texas_OutLaw7
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| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:59 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | John Simon is one of the best players Urban Meyer has ever coached. Also he has a great motor and a team captain. Yes I am biased but I love the way that kid never gives up, and he's also built like a brick. |
I'm sorry.....what? I can give you a long list of guys who are far and away superior players to John Simon whom Meyer coached. You can't possibly believe that a guy who you have as a 5th round pick can be compared to the likes of:
Alex Smith
Tim Tebow
Percy Harvin
Brandon Spikes
The Pouncey Brothers
Joe Haden
I can go on, but you get the point. Comparing anyone at Ohio State to the talent he coached at Florida is laughable and absurd.
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How did I miss this? Simon is a nice player, but Meyer has coached some fantastic talent.
In short, PREACH. I co-sign Plan9's post.
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GeneralDissaray
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| flyingmonkey30 wrote: | | ShineOnStar wrote: | Made a big, elaborate mock, turns out I wasn't logged in and I lost it.  I'll post what I remember later. |
That is the worst  |
You could have clicked the back arrow on your browser, and then copied and pasted into notepad, logged in, and then re-paste. I've had to do this a number of times. |
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THE BIG CHEEZE
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| plan9misfit wrote: | | THE BIG CHEEZE wrote: | | Why terrible, and why weak? |
1. We don't need a slot WR. I like Tavon Austin, but he is not a Percy Harvin clone. They're not remotely close to the same player. And if they were, I'd run away from him because Harvin isn't that good. He's above average, but he isn't anything special.
Tavon Austin is a stud with great stop start talent. I also believe that with Miles's injury issues and Bigger contract that he might be out the door.
2. Khaled Holmes has injury issues. Talented kid and great value in the 3rd round, but it's something to pay attention to.
3. Seantrel Henderson is trash. Bad work ethic, never in shape, and major character issues. No thanks.
He is also a big kid who can block. Sometimes guys with attitudes pan out to be great NFL players.
4. What role would Ball play on this team? He's really slow. I'm a big fan of Wisconsin's o-linemen, but not their RB's. The run like they're ankle deep in mud.
Montae Ball doesn't have super speed, and so what? He's more than fast enough, and he has great vision. I bet Felix is faster than Demarco, and Felix sucks. Vision , I'll say it again is a quality that great running backs have. As for picking a back up player in the fourth, who cares? Every player we draft is going to be starter? Like Jason Williams, or Tyrone Crawford? Ball could start in this league, and one day he will be a teams starter.
| Quote: | | I think Montae Ball would give us a real redzone threat from the ground thats proven in (college). |
So you want to use a 4th round pick on a guy who would only be a red zone threat? I'd rather look for a starter.
| Quote: | | Also Tavon austin would be a real threat from anywhere to score and from many positions. |
Not with our o-line he wouldn't. Our problems aren't at WR. They're on o-line. And I certainly wouldn't be interested in using a 2nd round pick on a guy who won't be a starter since he's not going to supplant either Austin or Bryant.
I thought the draft and free agency addressed the offensive line issues.
| Quote: | | John Simon is one of the best players Urban Meyer has ever coached. Also he has a great motor and a team captain. Yes I am biased but I love the way that kid never gives up, and he's also built like a brick. |
I'm sorry.....what? I can give you a long list of guys who are far and away superior players to John Simon whom Meyer coached. You can't possibly believe that a guy who you have as a 5th round pick can be compared to the likes of:
Alex Smith
Tim Tebow
Percy Harvin
Brandon Spikes
The Pouncey Brothers
Joe Haden
I can go on, but you get the point. Comparing anyone at Ohio State to the talent he coached at Florida is laughable and absurd.
http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/48964/buckeyes-know-they-can-rely-on-simon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmBpjGMk0gI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kmmNJxmBfI
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1317128-ohio-state-football-is-john-simon-the-best-player-urban-meyer-has-ever-coached
I only said it, because he said it. I never said he was THE BEST, just one of. and if Urban Meyer keeps saying it. I would find it laughable and absurd to disagree, wouldn't you?
| Quote: | | Kevin Reddick and Prentiss Wagner are great Physical talents that have not put it together yet. I also like butch davis coached defensive players. As for the honey badger, he is a play maker that could be a real player. We turned around Dez's career with some guidance and structure (fingers crossed). Why not try with the honey badger? As for the lineman I wouldn't care if we drafted 7, seriously. |
Honey Badger is hooked on drugs and is a character risk.
The honey badger doesn't give a @#$# what you say.
And we don't have any 7th round picks. |
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THE BIG CHEEZE
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Q3UOd9_Tkw
Tavon Austin highlight film says he is special as well his numbers. Not to mention how he as performed against SEC Defense's, and other elite teams in big games. Saying he isn't special is also laughable and absurd.
As for Seantrel, he was overhyped in high school and had to live up to huge expectations. He has battled through bad press, a back injury and transferring from USC to Miami. Through all that he made it back into the starting lineup and began to dominate. I like a player that can persevere, I know some of those wounds were self inflicted but, he's still playing (with an attitude). That also brings me to another point, I think this team lacks an attitude, we have a bunch of winey dudes outside of Dez, Ratliff, Witten or Demarco there aren't many "NFL tough guys". All of those guys are tough, but compared to other teams we look like pushovers. The Patriots during there success had guys like Harrison, Wilfork, Bruschi, Vrabel, Moss, Kevin Faulk, Seymour, that were tough and had attitudes. The Entire Tampa Bay team had an attitude. Even Brady has an attitude. The entire giants defensive line has bad attitudes. They complain, talk trash, and complain in the media. They also dominate. I'm tired of this so called RKG, I want football players. I also want lineman that have Attitudes more than the RKG stiffs that are trying to get Romo's head torn off. |
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flyingmonkey30
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scrambol2000
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1st - John Jenkins NT Georgia
2nd - Larry Warford OG Kentucky
3rd - Tyler Bray QB Tennessee
4th - Johnathan Franklin RB UCLA
5th - Abry Jones DE Georgia
6th - Tyrann Mathieu CB unknown |
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Texas_OutLaw7
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| scrambol2000 wrote: | 1st - John Jenkins NT Georgia
2nd - Larry Warford OG Kentucky
3rd - Tyler Bray QB Tennessee
4th - Johnathan Franklin RB UCLA
5th - Abry Jones DE Georgia
6th - Tyrann Mathieu CB unknown |
I don't think Bray will fall to the 3rd, given his physical tools. But it is possible. However, I think the Honey Badger is an awful pick for this team. At best I see him as a Slot Corner - and we have Scan for that.
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scrambol2000
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| Texas_OutLaw7 wrote: | | scrambol2000 wrote: | 1st - John Jenkins NT Georgia
2nd - Larry Warford OG Kentucky
3rd - Tyler Bray QB Tennessee
4th - Johnathan Franklin RB UCLA
5th - Abry Jones DE Georgia
6th - Tyrann Mathieu CB unknown |
I don't think Bray will fall to the 3rd, given his physical tools. But it is possible. However, I think the Honey Badger is an awful pick for this team. At best I see him as a Slot Corner - and we have Scan for that. |
HB is a big risk, but it's a 6th rd pick.
Let's replace HB with Graham Pocic C Illinois |
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Revenant04
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Dallas is now 25 million over the cap
(I got the figures below from another site. Let me know if they are wrong)
Restructure Romo Save 8.8 Million
Cuts/Trades Savings
Ratliff 4 Million (post June 15)
Spears 1.6 Million (post June 15)
Free 7 Million (post June 15)
Austin 3.6 Million
(Austin was traded for a 2nd round pick to Miami)
Arkin .4 Million
Brent .6 Million
Convert Wittens salary to Bonus saves 3 Million
Savings 29 Million
4 Million to sign draft picks and free agents
(Hint- No free agents to be signed)
8.2 dead money in 2013
Carr could be restructured but I doubt they want to do that,
Needs- DT, DE, OLB, RT, G, RB, CB, WR, C, S
1- Jonathon Jenkins DT
2- Cyril Richardson OG/RT
2- Chase Thomas OLB
3- Ryan Swope WR
4- Jamar Taylor CB
5- Spencer Nealy DE
6- Braxton Cave C
UFA- Kerwynn Williams RB
Quentin Dial DE
Josh Johnson CB
Roster
QB- Romo, Orton
RB- Murray, Tanner, Williams
FB- Vickers
T- Smith, Richardson, Parnell
OG- Livings, Bernadeau, Costa, Kowalski, Leary
C- Costa, Cook, Kowalski
WR- Bryant, Harris, Beasley, Swope, Holmes, Benford
TE- Witten, Phillips Hannah
S- Church, Sens, Johnson, McCray
ILB- Carter, Lee, Connor, Lemon
OLB- Ware, Thomas, Butler, Wilber, Albright
DE- Hatcher, Lissenmore, Crawford, Bass, Nealy, Dial
DT, Jenkins, Lissenmore, Callaway
CB- Carr, Claiborne, Scandrick, Taylor, Johnson
Special-
LS- Loudaceour
P- Mooreman (or UFA)
K- Bailey
Practice Squad-
Cave Center
2014 Needs
RT after Richardson moves to guard
Safety
Center
DE (if hatcher is not resigned)
Guard
ILB
2014 Cuts
Connor, Bernadeau, Sensabaugh
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WizardHawk
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Not buying it. I'd like to see those figures. Got a link?
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I think it would be a mistake to lose Spears, Coleman, Rat, and Brent in one off-season.
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