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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:16 pm    Post subject: UnOfficial Tank For Luke Joeckel Thread Reply with quote

Here is the current 2013 NFL Draft order. Ties in record are separated by current strength of schedule.

Updated November 27, 2012
http://www.gbnreport.com/weeklydraftorder.html
Remaining Schedule
1 Kansas City 1-10 .506 (Car, @ Cle, @ Oak, Ind, @ Den)
2 Jacksonville 2-9 .551 (@ BUff, NYJ, @ Mia, NE, @ Ten)
3 Oakland 3-8 .460 (Cle, Den, KC, @ Car, @ SDG)
4 Cleveland 3-8 .506 (@ Oak, KC, Was, @ Den, @ Pit)
5 Philadelphia 3-8 .511 (@ Dal, @ Tam, Cin, Was, @ NYG)
6 Carolina 3-8 .523 (@ KC, Atl, @ SDG, Oak, @ NO)


* Note that the opponent's cumulative W-L record is based on each team's full 16-game schedule and no just on the games they have played to date.
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You guys are SO close to this debacle of a season being worth it because you are three draft spots away from having the 2nd overall pick in the draft.

Also the other three 3-8 teams all still have the Kansas City Chiefs to play as well as each other. They should all finish with 4+ wins.

And assuming you make the right choice and don't blow it on Matt Barkley the next complete bust of a QB out of USC, and take Luke Joeckel the next premiere offensive tackle in this league, all of a sudden
your offensive line goes from terrible to great.

And finally going forward the QB (whoever is behind center) will have the ability to actually take advantage of all the weapons on the outside. Not to mention it will make things even easier for McCoy and Bryce Brown

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This isn't a great year to have the top pick, but I'm still rooting for it.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meh...I'm over Joeckel...he's good...but not a stud prospect....I'd rather get Texas a&m's other Tackle at the beginning of the second if we can. Jake Matthews really look good when i watched tape for Joeckel...and won't go top 15 because he's a RT. that way way we can either draft Geno (if we must go QB), trade back and pick Terrance Williams in the middle of the first, or stay put and get Star Lotulelei and have StarCox destroy interiors of OLs for around a decade..

I'm not gonna get pissed if we draft him but there are better options I think.


Draft Jake and still get a blue chip prospect.





Peters-Mathis-Kelce-Herremans-Matthews

Is still a pretty good line and we'd add a vet for the interior oline as well in case Kelce and Mathis can't play well in the new scheme.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is he Danny Watkins' brother?

^^^This is so Watkin-esque Laughing Laughing



What does Joeckel do especially well?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gator3guy wrote:
This isn't a great year to have the top pick, but I'm still rooting for it.


Well the top pick is out the question. Chiefs aren't winning 2 more games

Well maybe somehow miraculously they get some good fortune due to their tragic situation but even if they rally around the situation their QB is Brady Quinn.

Even on pure adrenaline I don't see them winning 2 more games with him.

Then again they do play the Raiders and the Browns. But more than likely the Chiefs will be the whipping boy that could propel the Eagles to the 2nd spot if the Eagles don't screw it up by winning a meaningless game down the stretch

I'm honestly worried Andy Reid may play Vick just to stick it to the Eagles and get some cheap meaningless win or two down the stretch
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think there's good value in the later 1st and even 2nd round.

I don't see a lot of teams scrambling for the top picks but I'd really like to see the Eagles hit rebuilding with a full head of steam. Amass the picks. SOME team will want to trade up to get in front of a rival, etc. etc. you never know.

Start Foles for a year, we'll have a top 5 pick again anyways.
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Kiltman wrote:
Meh...I'm over Joeckel...he's good...but not a stud prospect....I'd rather get Texas a&m's other Tackle at the beginning of the second if we can. Jake Matthews really look good when i watched tape for Joeckel...and won't go top 15 because he's a RT. that way way we can either draft Geno (if we must go QB), trade back and pick Terrance Williams in the middle of the first, or stay put and get Star Lotulelei and have StarCox destroy interiors of OLs for around a decade..

I'm not gonna get pissed if we draft him but there are better options I think.


Draft Jake and still get a blue chip prospect.





Peters-Mathis-Kelce-Herremans-Matthews

Is still a pretty good line and we'd add a vet for the interior oline as well in case Kelce and Mathis can't play well in the new scheme.


Matthews is the backup plan if the Eagles don't catch the Jaguars. Not a bad consolation price either.

Both of Texas A&M OTs are good enough to go in the top 5, regardless if they play LT or RT

They are one of the main reasons why Johnny Football looks so good

If Eagles screw up and win another game they will probably miss out on both
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phire wrote:
I think there's good value in the later 1st and even 2nd round.

I don't see a lot of teams scrambling for the top picks but I'd really like to see the Eagles hit rebuilding with a full head of steam. Amass the picks. SOME team will want to trade up to get in front of a rival, etc. etc. you never know.

Start Foles for a year, we'll have a top 5 pick again anyways.


LOL Ouch

Seriously though you can't trade down when you have a chance to have perfect combination of elite prospect at a need position

It's the combo of best player available and biggest need that is too good to pass up on

That's why

A)Jaguars need to win another game with Chad Henne
B)Eagles do NOT need to play Vick the rest of the year and risk winning a game

A win could be the difference between 2nd overall pick and dropping out of the top 10


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tank? Hmm.... I thought we were just terrible.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just updated the draft order to reflect the far more reliable site

Updated November 27, 2012
http://www.gbnreport.com/weeklydraftorder.html

1 Kansas City 1-10 .506
2 Jacksonville 2-9 .551
3 Oakland 3-8 .460
4 Cleveland 3-8 .506
5 Philadelphia 3-8 .511
6 Carolina 3-8 .523
7 Buffalo 4-7 .477
8 San Diego 4-7 .477
9 NY Jets 4-7 .511
10 Tennessee 4-7 .534
11 Arizona 4-7 .551
12 Detroit 4-7 .574

You all are actually 5th instead of 3rd because the strength of schedule has to take into account all opponents on the schedule and not just the ones played so far.

I forgot about this site because I remember going to it when my Falcons were a debacle in 2007.

Anyways, even though the Raiders and Browns hold the tie breaker they still have to play each other as well as the Chiefs. One of them should finish with 2 more wins because of that and the other with one more

You all just can't win another game or you could free fall because of all the teams with 4 wins.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phire wrote:
What does Joeckel do especially well?


From what I've watched of him......

Pros: He's athletic, quick, better than good at pass defense seems to be smart out there.

Cons: Lacks the level of strength you'd expect from a top 5 OL prospect, average in the run game, gets overextended from time to time.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We don't need a left tackle we have the best in football.


I don't see why the hell we waste the best draft resource we've had in 12 years on Joeckel.
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ninjapirate wrote:
We don't need a left tackle we have the best in football.
I don't see why the hell we waste the best draft resource we've had in 12 years on Joeckel.


Because instead of having the worst pair of offensive tackles in the league in Dunlap and Bell you would all of a sudden have the best pair of bookend offensive tackles in Peters and Joeckel with Joeckel moving to LT 4-5 years from now.

Add Herremans and Kelce and all of a sudden one of the worst starting units in all of sports is one of the best
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love this new trend of labeling threads "official".

Like this is my "official" thread of crud, so it's necessary. Let's keep all things crud in this thread. lol
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Phire wrote:
Is he Danny Watkins' brother?

^^^This is so Watkin-esque Laughing Laughing



What does Joeckel do especially well?


I'd like everyone to know, I was the first to bring Baby face Jake to the knowledge of you all...
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