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HyponGrey


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Don't like Ball either. Not too fond of Black, but other than those two I'm with you


What particularly is the distaste with Ball?
Pad level and speed.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HyponGrey wrote:
nfldraftguru1 wrote:
HyponGrey wrote:
Don't like Ball either. Not too fond of Black, but other than those two I'm with you


What particularly is the distaste with Ball?
Pad level and speed.


Speed is legitimate, though I don't see him running anything worse than a 4.6. Probably a 4.52ish if I had to guess. He's great at running through tackles and falling forward so not sure I see the pad level issue.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nfldraftguru1 wrote:
HyponGrey wrote:
nfldraftguru1 wrote:
HyponGrey wrote:
Don't like Ball either. Not too fond of Black, but other than those two I'm with you


What particularly is the distaste with Ball?
Pad level and speed.


Speed is legitimate, though I don't see him running anything worse than a 4.6. Probably a 4.52ish if I had to guess. He's great at running through tackles and falling forward so not sure I see the pad level issue.
The games I saw were more like 4.58. His pad level only drops when he sees the hits coming, otherwise he runs vertical with absolutely no lean. That gets you injured in the NFL.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HyponGrey wrote:
nfldraftguru1 wrote:
HyponGrey wrote:
nfldraftguru1 wrote:
HyponGrey wrote:
Don't like Ball either. Not too fond of Black, but other than those two I'm with you


What particularly is the distaste with Ball?
Pad level and speed.


Speed is legitimate, though I don't see him running anything worse than a 4.6. Probably a 4.52ish if I had to guess. He's great at running through tackles and falling forward so not sure I see the pad level issue.
The games I saw were more like 4.58. His pad level only drops when he sees the hits coming, otherwise he runs vertical with absolutely no lean. That gets you injured in the NFL.


I could see 4.58. We're definetely splitting hairs with that.

I hadn't really noticed the poor pad level, but will definetely watch for it this weekend.
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Gore ran a 4.55. There are more similarities there too.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Gore ran a 4.55. There are more similarities there too.


Come to think of it, he reminds me of a more shifty version of him.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nfldraftguru1 wrote:
RiotPunch wrote:
Gore ran a 4.55. There are more similarities there too.


Come to think of it, he reminds me of a more shifty version of him.


A lot of similarities there. A lot more to like about Ball then not like. NFL ready. I am much more leary of the medical than anything else. The head injuries in the past need to be looked into very intensely this day and age of the NFL. He is going to be a solid back IMO if that comes back clean. Has the hands and vision to be good here IMO, and knows how to block. Said this from the beginning of the year, the only prospect I really like better is Stephan Taylor out of Stanford for this offense minus Lattimore, and well, we all know what happened there. If either of these guys mentioned above were faster than advertised, they would be round 1 projections and we would not consider them for GB because of it. Laughing Just saying, and yes, I know, that is even in the reduced value of RBs in today's NFL.
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