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Apollo Stallion


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Confirmed. Somebody get out their abacus.

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A part of the NFL's tiebreaking proceedure, strength of victory is figured by calculating the combined winning percentage of the opponents a team has beaten.

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If two teams end with identical records, combine the records of the opponents in each of the team's wins and calculate the total winning percentage. The team whose opponents have the higher winning percentage wins the tiebreaker.


Ironically, beating the Texans would skyrocket the Pats strength of victory, again highlighting the double whammy of that game. Strangely we need to root a bit for the Vikings to win a few and for the Colts to keep winning, aside from weeks 15 & 17. Strikes me that this is a really bogus tiebreaker as it sure seems to me that beating 3 division champs ought to count for more than them beating a few more 6-10 teams while we only got to beat 5-11 teams and 2-14.


Not really. It is a non issue in the scenerio. It only comes about if Baltimore, New England, and us have the same record and are 1-1 against each other. Therefore we'd offset New Englands win over us with ours over Baltimore and all the vice versas.

Broncos are equal for us and New England and Baltimore has them late so that will be a big game.

The Bears game will be major for us. And if Minnesota and Detroit can pick up some wins that will also help.

Having the NFC North is big to offset the Jags and Titans.


Don't follow your post. All it takes is losing to New England and Minny with both of them winning out and we're in a 3 way tie with NE and Balt. If nobody has a sweep in a three way tie, head to head goes out the window and we're on to strength of victory since conf record would be the same. If we lose to NE AND Tenn or one of the Indy games we lose tiebreakers to both NE AND Balt on conf record. There is no way this team in it's current state would be favored on the road in Foxborough so I'm telling you THIS WEEK is must win time for a team that has escaped by it's chinny chin chin against two teams that were collectively 5-16. I've got a terrible feeling about everything finally catching up with us this week especially with the Titans finally letting the rigidly inept Chris Palmer and his absurdly complicated option routes go which could finally open up that offense precisely when our defense is most vulnerable with LBs going down weekly. We can probably win a shootout again as the Titans defense just plain stinks, but their offense has far more talent than Chris Palmer ever got out of them and removing his shackles can only excite Locker, CJ, Cook, Britt, Wright, and Washington.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apollo Stallion wrote:
mse326 wrote:
Apollo Stallion wrote:
Confirmed. Somebody get out their abacus.

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A part of the NFL's tiebreaking proceedure, strength of victory is figured by calculating the combined winning percentage of the opponents a team has beaten.

Examples:
If two teams end with identical records, combine the records of the opponents in each of the team's wins and calculate the total winning percentage. The team whose opponents have the higher winning percentage wins the tiebreaker.


Ironically, beating the Texans would skyrocket the Pats strength of victory, again highlighting the double whammy of that game. Strangely we need to root a bit for the Vikings to win a few and for the Colts to keep winning, aside from weeks 15 & 17. Strikes me that this is a really bogus tiebreaker as it sure seems to me that beating 3 division champs ought to count for more than them beating a few more 6-10 teams while we only got to beat 5-11 teams and 2-14.


Not really. It is a non issue in the scenerio. It only comes about if Baltimore, New England, and us have the same record and are 1-1 against each other. Therefore we'd offset New Englands win over us with ours over Baltimore and all the vice versas.

Broncos are equal for us and New England and Baltimore has them late so that will be a big game.

The Bears game will be major for us. And if Minnesota and Detroit can pick up some wins that will also help.

Having the NFC North is big to offset the Jags and Titans.


Don't follow your post. All it takes is losing to New England and Minny with both of them winning out and we're in a 3 way tie with NE and Balt. If nobody has a sweep in a three way tie, head to head goes out the window and we're on to strength of victory since conf record would be the same. If we lose to NE AND Tenn or one of the Indy games we lose tiebreakers to both NE AND Balt on conf record. There is no way this team in it's current state would be favored on the road in Foxborough so I'm telling you THIS WEEK is must win time for a team that has escaped by it's chinny chin chin against two teams that were collectively 5-16. I've got a terrible feeling about everything finally catching up with us this week especially with the Titans finally letting the rigidly inept Chris Palmer and his absurdly complicated option routes go which could finally open up that offense precisely when our defense is most vulnerable with LBs going down weekly. We can probably win a shootout again as the Titans defense just plain stinks, but their offense has far more talent than Chris Palmer ever got out of them and removing his shackles can only excite Locker, CJ, Cook, Britt, Wright, and Washington.


My point had nothing to do with conference record. You talked about the double whammy losing to the Pats bringing them closer, having the tie break on us unless we go to a 3 way tie with Baltimore which even then it effects because that increases their strength of victory.

My point was simply that if you were getting to strength of victory it requires that us, Baltimore, and New England be 1-1 against each other. And in that situation we all cancel out each other in strength of victory (each has 1 victory so same amount of wins and losses).
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not that it's a big deal, but we're assured the playoffs with a win or any two of Miami (v NE), Cincy (@ SD) and Pitt (@ BAL) losing.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baltimore losing today is a huge help to us for getting the 1 seed
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Baltimore losing today is a huge help to us for getting the 1 seed
Definitely. Steelers did us a favor. But I really don't like the prospect of playing Indy, Pittsburgh or Denver in the playoffs. I don't like it at all. I don't want to see New England in the playoffs either. I mean....if we get Indy for our first game at home then thats fine, its just that a lot of AFC playoff teams scare me.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 3:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jargin wrote:
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Baltimore losing today is a huge help to us for getting the 1 seed
Definitely. Steelers did us a favor. But I really don't like the prospect of playing Indy, Pittsburgh or Denver in the playoffs. I don't like it at all. I don't want to see New England in the playoffs either. I mean....if we get Indy for our first game at home then thats fine, its just that a lot of AFC playoff teams scare me.


If the Texans want to get to the Superbowl, they're going to have to beat Tom Brady in the playoffs AND they're going to have to beat Peyton Manning in the playoffs.. Period. Those two guys. If we get a first round bye, those are the two playoff games.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PAtexansFAN99 wrote:
jargin wrote:
texandominance wrote:
Baltimore losing today is a huge help to us for getting the 1 seed
Definitely. Steelers did us a favor. But I really don't like the prospect of playing Indy, Pittsburgh or Denver in the playoffs. I don't like it at all. I don't want to see New England in the playoffs either. I mean....if we get Indy for our first game at home then thats fine, its just that a lot of AFC playoff teams scare me.


If the Texans want to get to the Superbowl, they're going to have to beat Tom Brady in the playoffs AND they're going to have to beat Peyton Manning in the playoffs.. Period. Those two guys. If we get a first round bye, those are the two playoff games.


Not necessarily and indeed, perhaps not even likely. If we're the 1 and New England and Denver are the 2 and 3 (hardly out of the realm of possibility if Baltimore keeps playing like they have been), they MUST face each other before they face us. The fact that the one seed protects us from having to take on the 2 or 3 before the AFC CG is one of the biggest benefits outside home field. Pittsburgh, Cincy, Indy and Baltimore aren't cupcakes by any stretch, but they're far and away more favorable matchups than Brady or Manning.

Anyways, to bring an update to the picture, we're in the playoffs no matter what, as we all probably know by now. If we win the Monday night game AND the Raiders, Redskins and Titans ALL win next week, home field advantage is guaranteed. If just us and the Titans win, we're guaranteed the AFC South at the very least. If the Titans lose, a win over Indianapolis in Week 15 guarantees us the AFC South, and, combined with a win over New England next Monday, would also guarantee us home field regardless of other results.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Post-Patriots loss...

A win over Indianapolis guarantees the AFC South still - but as the tiebreakers stand at current, New England would win any 3-way tie between us, them and Denver thanks to wins over both of us, so we really can't afford another loss, lest we want a repeat trip to Foxboro. We still control our own destiny, but no longer can we assure our own fate before Week 17. The Patriots would have to lose for that to become a possibility in the coming weeks.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Post-Patriots loss...

A win over Indianapolis guarantees the AFC South still - but as the tiebreakers stand at current, New England would win any 3-way tie between us, them and Denver thanks to wins over both of us, so we really can't afford another loss, lest we want a repeat trip to Foxboro. We still control our own destiny, but no longer can we assure our own fate before Week 17. The Patriots would have to lose for that to become a possibility in the coming weeks.


We control our destiny as 3-0 means home field throughout. However, in the case of dropping one of the Colts games, tiebreakers get pretty complex. Don't forget that NE lost to Baltimore which could be big. We actually want Baltimore to win this week vs. Denver as it keeps a one game cushion between us and Balt/Denver even in the event of a loss AND would ensure that in the circumstance of a 4-way tie that Denver is the first out (Hou, NE, and Balt all beat them) AND eliminates New England's head to head advantage over us, since we hold it over Balt. Conf record is next which would go New England's way if they win out and we don't (11-1). Sadly, I'm not nearly as confident as some of you that we will win both Colts games and I'm not willing to count Minny out either as AP always tears us up. All offseason I said this secondary and lack of a 2nd passing threat would be our undoing and that's exactly what was on display last night. At this point, I'm hoping we don't burn a playoff bye week that will be desperately needed to get healthy for a deep run.
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Longhorns90 wrote:
Post-Patriots loss...

A win over Indianapolis guarantees the AFC South still - but as the tiebreakers stand at current, New England would win any 3-way tie between us, them and Denver thanks to wins over both of us, so we really can't afford another loss, lest we want a repeat trip to Foxboro. We still control our own destiny, but no longer can we assure our own fate before Week 17. The Patriots would have to lose for that to become a possibility in the coming weeks.


While yesterday was a sobering reminder of how good the Pats are, I do wonder if they can replicate that sort of game against San Fran this upcoming Sunday. How does all of this factor in if SF can do what Houston couldn't?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

While the Monday Night game technically has playoff implications, it doesn't matter to OUR playoff implications whatsoever. With the win over Indy, we've guaranteed ourselves the division, and with Baltimore's recent self-destruction, can end up with no less than the 3rd seed no matter what. The Patriots loss helps us a lot in breathing room. With the tiebreaker in our favor against Denver, a win against Minnesota OR Indianapolis guarantees us the regular season conference title and gets us home field advantage - the only way we can screw it up is by dropping both.
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