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MaddHatter 
Joined: 29 Nov 2006 Posts: 41476 Location: Dallas, TX
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Chiefer wrote: | | Just because a pass was floated doesn't mean that it was a bad pass. |
I didn't say it was a bad pass...
My original comment was purely related to his NFL potential and said "he floats way too many passes ... and will need to improve greatly to function at the NFL level"
Lacking zip on your passes leads to more INTs in the NFL, especially on sideline routes and deep passes where that extra second or two in the air can give the S time to make a play _________________
Ware Stat Tracker: 27 Pressures, 9 Hits, 10 sacks, 4 FF, 7 TFL (thru 8 games) |
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johnmpasq
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RandyMossIsBoss 
Joined: 01 Jun 2012 Posts: 8216 Location: Peppers90 on the sig, Kiltman on the avy
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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Wow I had no idea that you were JPDraftJedi. Been watching your videos for awhile now, keep them coming I love 'em! _________________
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willy_law 
Joined: 10 Jan 2010 Posts: 8305 Location: Villanova University
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| RandyMossIsBoss wrote: |
Wow I had no idea that you were JPDraftJedi. Been watching your videos for awhile now, keep them coming I love 'em! |
me too, its how I watch most of my tape _________________
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Jaguarfan 
Joined: 27 Nov 2011 Posts: 11409 Location: Scarlet Town
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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| willy_law wrote: | | RandyMossIsBoss wrote: |
Wow I had no idea that you were JPDraftJedi. Been watching your videos for awhile now, keep them coming I love 'em! |
me too, its how I watch most of my tape |
Same here. Great Channel! _________________
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sadjag 
Joined: 02 Mar 2012 Posts: 846 Location: jax
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:33 am Post subject: |
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| Jaguarfan wrote: | | willy_law wrote: | | RandyMossIsBoss wrote: |
Wow I had no idea that you were JPDraftJedi. Been watching your videos for awhile now, keep them coming I love 'em! |
me too, its how I watch most of my tape |
Same here. Great Channel! | Me too thanks for your work _________________ ...What? |
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johnmpasq
Joined: 11 Apr 2008 Posts: 677
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:32 am Post subject: |
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| RandyMossIsBoss wrote: |
Wow I had no idea that you were JPDraftJedi. Been watching your videos for awhile now, keep them coming I love 'em! | Im also Jmpasq,Jmpasqdraftjedi,Jpdraftjedi,JmpasqFullGame but I havent started uploading 2012 games on the Full Game channel yet. _________________ Twitter @Jmpasq, Youtube user Jpdraftjedi,Jmpasqdraftjedi,Jmpasq |
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PowerElite 
Joined: 25 Dec 2009 Posts: 7634
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:52 am Post subject: |
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| johnmpasq wrote: | | RandyMossIsBoss wrote: |
Wow I had no idea that you were JPDraftJedi. Been watching your videos for awhile now, keep them coming I love 'em! | Im also Jmpasq,Jmpasqdraftjedi,Jpdraftjedi,JmpasqFullGame but I havent started uploading 2012 games on the Full Game channel yet. |
LOL you've had a trillion channels and are much appreciated. |
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bigschmadt00 
 Joined: 17 Dec 2008 Posts: 10562 Location: Seeing what condition my condition is in
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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For those saying his game doesn't translate to the NFL, I think that argument either already is, or will soon be outdated.
In 2008 Chan Gailey first used the Pistol in the NFL with Tyler Thigpen (unless I missed something earlier), and now that formation is regularly being used by at least 4-5 teams in the NFL.
The principles of the spread offense and it's variations have continued to propagate throughout the NFL, and I absolutely believe it will continue. It's the basic principles of supply and demand. A large portions of High Schools are running it, and easily half of the 50 best colleges are running it in some form. And trust me, after A&M beat Bama with it, the stigma of that style of spread "working" in the SEC is gone, and more teams will now look to utilize it.
Look at the most successful QB's to come out over the past 3+ seasons, a majority ran a version of the spread in college.
Manziel will need to be at least close to 6'-1" and around 220lbs by the time he enters the draft to be a first rounder, but if that's the case, I have no doubt he'll be at least a top 10 pick, assuming he progresses at even half the rate he has this season.
People want to knock him for Florida, his first game, and LSU, that's fine. But he was a freshman learning, and I think Bama was evidence of that progress. I just really hope the pressure of the rather desperate Aggie fan base doesn't hurt him mentally. _________________
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bigschmadt00 
 Joined: 17 Dec 2008 Posts: 10562 Location: Seeing what condition my condition is in
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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Reality_Check wrote: | Youre talking about a guy that wins with his leg more than his arm, and is playing behind two top 15 offensive tackles.
He's a freshman so there's a lot of time for him to develop, but at this juncture I wouldn't put much in his pro prospects.
Very good college player though |
He's won a couple games with his arm, especially last week against Bama, and a few weeks before against Ole Miss. Almost identical passes, but both were great NFL type throws IMO. He's advanced as a passer greatly this season, but you are right, he needs more development to be a high draft pick in the NFL.
Also, while his OT's are great, so many teams don't even attempt to rush him anymore and just make sure they contain him from rushing. I don't know how much their ability really helps him. _________________
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FootballProdiG 
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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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| So Klien flopped and lost yesterday. Kenjon Barner got shut down and lost yesterday, Te'o still has a shot but he's defense and likely won't get it. Oh, but guess who didn't lose yesterday and broke more SEC records AGAIN, Johnny Manziel. This kid is the real deal. If he doesn't win the Heisman the entire race and trophy are an absolute joke. He is twice the player Tebow was when he won it. He is already better than Bradford. Not quite on Cam,Luck or RG3's level, but he is still has four more years to improve. As long as he doesn't get injured or mentally break he is the future. |
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jd6735 
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:31 am Post subject: |
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| FootballProdiG wrote: | | So Klien flopped and lost yesterday. Kenjon Barner got shut down and lost yesterday, Te'o still has a shot but he's defense and likely won't get it. Oh, but guess who didn't lose yesterday and broke more SEC records AGAIN, Johnny Manziel. This kid is the real deal. If he doesn't win the Heisman the entire race and trophy are an absolute joke. He is twice the player Tebow was when he won it. He is already better than Bradford. Not quite on Cam,Luck or RG3's level, but he is still has four more years to improve. As long as he doesn't get injured or mentally break he is the future. |
Wait, what? Sure, Manziel has been fantastic, and maybe he's twice the pro prospect (which isn't saying much), but even a cursory glance at Tebow's 2007 season stats blow that bolded statement out of the water. It took an absolutely ridiculous season for Tebow to win the Heisman as a sophomore. Tebow had 32 TDs to 7 interceptions through the air that season, with a college QB efficiency rating of 172.5. He also had 23 rushing touchdowns. He accounted for a ridiculous total 55 touchdowns that season. With one game left, Manziel has accounted for 38. |
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FootballProdiG 
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 3:00 am Post subject: |
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| jd6735 wrote: | | FootballProdiG wrote: | | So Klien flopped and lost yesterday. Kenjon Barner got shut down and lost yesterday, Te'o still has a shot but he's defense and likely won't get it. Oh, but guess who didn't lose yesterday and broke more SEC records AGAIN, Johnny Manziel. This kid is the real deal. If he doesn't win the Heisman the entire race and trophy are an absolute joke. He is twice the player Tebow was when he won it. He is already better than Bradford. Not quite on Cam,Luck or RG3's level, but he is still has four more years to improve. As long as he doesn't get injured or mentally break he is the future. |
Wait, what? Sure, Manziel has been fantastic, and maybe he's twice the pro prospect (which isn't saying much), but even a cursory glance at Tebow's 2007 season stats blow that bolded statement out of the water. It took an absolutely ridiculous season for Tebow to win the Heisman as a sophomore. Tebow had 32 TDs to 7 interceptions through the air that season, with a college QB efficiency rating of 172.5. He also had 23 rushing touchdowns. He accounted for a ridiculous total 55 touchdowns that season. With one game left, Manziel has accounted for 38. |
Dang I didn't realize Tebow was that legit back then. Well, some of my point still stands. He is the "tebow" or his generation with better passing ability and better speed. He may not have the stats, but he has broken game records that Tebow didn't break. He's also the highest scoring Freshman to have ever played the game at one position. He broke that record Saturday. |
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broncos67 
Joined: 28 Dec 2006 Posts: 18132 Location: Capitol Cit-ay
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:53 am Post subject: |
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Tim Tebow was the greatest college football player of all time. Let's not go overboard with the Manziel love in that respect, although he does have a very real shot at the Heisman. _________________
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nfldraftguru1 
Joined: 07 Feb 2009 Posts: 8040 Location: eau claire, wi
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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He's kind of smallish. But I'm not even close to evaluating him for the draft yet. He's a RS FR and with QB's experience is so important. Dude is a hell of an athlete though. _________________
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