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 Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 1:25 pm Post subject: [UMN]'s Big Money '98 Mock |
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SEASON NOTES
1. The Vikings finish with a 5-11 record
2. Wilf decides it is time to spend money on some real coaches and a big FA
3. Leslie Frazier is fired. Brian Billick is hired as HC
4. Billick hires his former DC Mike Nolan as AHC/DC from Atlanta
5. Nolan recommends Norv Turner to Billick as OC
6. Billick brings back Denny Green as the WR coach
7. Billick/Turner dump the 2TE WCO and bring back the 3WR vertical offense from ‘98
8. Nolan dumps the Cover 2 and runs more of a man-press coverage system
RESIGNINGS
RB Matt Asiata - not resigned
FB Jerome Felton - resigned 3 years
WR Jerome Simpson - resigned 1 year
WR Devin Aromashodu - not resigned
OL Phil Loadholt - resigned 5 years
OL Geoff Schwartz - resigned 1 year
OL Joe Berger - not resigned
OL Mark Asper - not resigned
DT Kevin Williams - resigned 3 years
LB Erin Henderson - resigned 3 years
LB Jasper Brinkley - not resigned
LB Marvin Mitchell - not resigned
LB Tyrone McKenzie - not resigned
CB AJ Jefferson - resigned 3 years
CB Marcus Sherels - resigned 3 years
S Jamarca Sanford - resigned 1 year
S Andrew Sendejo - not resigned
OTHER MOVES
WR Michael Jenkins cut
TE John Carlson cut
WR Percy Harvin extended - 5 years
DE Jared Allen extended - 5 years
WR Mike Wallace signed - 5 years
DRAFT
* trade 2nd and 2014 3rd to move up into 1st
1. LB Manti Te’O, Notre Dame
1. WR Cordarrelle Patterson, Tennessee
3. DT Sylvester Williams, North Carolina
4. OL Xavier Nixon, Florida
4. CB Marc Anthony, California
5. S Daimion Stafford, Nebraska
6. RB Miguel Maysonet, Stony Brook
2013 DEPTH CHART
QB| Christian Ponder | Joe Webb | McLeod Bethel-Thompson
RB| Adrian Peterson | Toby Gerhart | Miguel Maysonet | Jerome Felton
TE| Kyle Rudolph | Rhett Ellison | Allen Reisner
WR| Mike Wallace | Jerome Simpson
WR| Cordarrelle Patterson | Stephen Burton
WR| Percy Harvin | Jarius Wright
LT| Matt Kalil | Charlie Johnson
LG| Demarcus Love / Xavier Nixon
C| John Sullivan
RG| Brandon Fusco
RT| Phil Loadholt | Geoff Schwartz
DE| Jared Allen | Everson Griffen
DT| Letroy Guion / Sylvester Williams | Fred Evans
DT| Kevin Williams | Christian Ballard
DE| Brian Robison | D’Aundre Reed
OLB| Chad Greenway | Larry Dean
MLB| Manti Te’O | Audie Cole
OLB| Erin Henderson | Marvin Mitchell
CB| Chris Cook | Antoine Winfield | Marc Anthony
CB| Josh Robinson | AJ Jefferson | Marcus Sherels (PR)
FS| Mistral Raymond | Jamarca Sanford | Daimion Stafford
SS| Harrison Smith | Robert Blanton
K| Blair Walsh
P| Chris Kluwe
LS| Cullen Loeffler
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Kellerman
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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Like the draft, like the Wallace signing.
Absolutely hate the coaching staff. Billick, Denny Green. 
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[UMN]
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| Kellerman wrote: | Like the draft, like the Wallace signing.
Absolutely hate the coaching staff. Billick, Denny Green. |
Are you kidding? I would love that. The press conferences would be awesome. 
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skywindO2
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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Billick might finally learn Jared Allen's name too.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 3:47 pm Post subject: Re: [UMN]'s Big Money '98 Mock |
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| [UMN] wrote: | SEASON NOTES
1. The Vikings finish with a 5-11 record
2. Wilf decides it is time to spend money on some real coaches and a big FA
3. Leslie Frazier is fired. Brian Billick is hired as HC
4. Billick hires his former DC Mike Nolan as AHC/DC from Atlanta
5. Nolan recommends Norv Turner to Billick as OC
6. Billick brings back Denny Green as the WR coach
7. Billick/Turner dump the 2TE WCO and bring back the 3WR vertical offense from ‘98
8. Nolan dumps the Cover 2 and runs more of a man-press coverage system
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Both Brian Billick and Dennis Green are part of the Bill Walsh coaching tree. That is, they are both considered to be WCO coaches.
Norv Turner is part of the Air Coryell school. Nothing wrong with that but now you're asking Christian Ponder to learn an entirely new offence.
Defences are usually defined by the alignment of the Front 7 and not the coverage. Nolan is a proponent of the two-gap 3-4 scheme, and I'm not sure how well that's going to work with the personnel the Vikings have at present.
So, even if you could get past the money issues and the issue of convincing a bunch of guys who think they should be HCs to take jobs as assistants, there is the question of how all this fits together.
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disaacs
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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Lest we forget that the self-proclaimed offensive guru Brian Billick never did build an offense in Baltimore. It took him being fired for them to do so.
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Lil Uno
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I'm praying we can land Norv Turner this offseason. A spread style offense will do this team well. Not a fan of Bellick though.
Can't complain about the draft. Love Te'o, not sold on either of the Vol receivers but I can live with it.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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I can't believe people don't like Billick.
I realize the offenses in BAL were never good, but that is what happens when you get stuck with a string of terrible QB's.
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Freakout
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The NT position really worries me. Guion cannot keep his starting position and while I liked Williams dating back to last year isn't he more of a 3-tech?
Though we do dump the Cover-2 in this scenario so I guess it makes sense.
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| [UMN] wrote: | I can't believe people don't like Billick.
I realize the offenses in BAL were never good, but that is what happens when you get stuck with a string of terrible QB's. |
Billick was overrated as an OC. He owes his HC job to Robert Smith, Cris Carter, Randy Moss, and Jake Reed (as well as Randall McDaniel and the rest of the OL).
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Heavydan85
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Yeah give me a different defensive coordinator (someone historically 4-3 but not cover 2) and I could get behind this. I dunno how much we are supposed to have in cap, but maybe another couple average-good free agents to help.
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you have Marvin Mitchell as "not resigned" but he's in your depth chart.
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Kellerman
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| Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:16 am Post subject: Re: [UMN]'s Big Money '98 Mock |
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| milanb wrote: | | [UMN] wrote: | SEASON NOTES
1. The Vikings finish with a 5-11 record
2. Wilf decides it is time to spend money on some real coaches and a big FA
3. Leslie Frazier is fired. Brian Billick is hired as HC
4. Billick hires his former DC Mike Nolan as AHC/DC from Atlanta
5. Nolan recommends Norv Turner to Billick as OC
6. Billick brings back Denny Green as the WR coach
7. Billick/Turner dump the 2TE WCO and bring back the 3WR vertical offense from ‘98
8. Nolan dumps the Cover 2 and runs more of a man-press coverage system
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Both Brian Billick and Dennis Green are part of the Bill Walsh coaching tree. That is, they are both considered to be WCO coaches.
Norv Turner is part of the Air Coryell school. Nothing wrong with that but now you're asking Christian Ponder to learn an entirely new offence.
Defences are usually defined by the alignment of the Front 7 and not the coverage. Nolan is a proponent of the two-gap 3-4 scheme, and I'm not sure how well that's going to work with the personnel the Vikings have at present.
So, even if you could get past the money issues and the issue of convincing a bunch of guys who think they should be HCs to take jobs as assistants, there is the question of how all this fits together. |
Nolan seems to be more flexible as a DC, he currently works for the Falcons who run a 4-3.
If the Vikings do go for a new coaching staff, I'd prefer an up and comer over a bunch of rethreads.
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Sloppy28
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| Lil Uno wrote: | I'm praying we can land Norv Turner this offseason. A spread style offense will do this team well. Not a fan of Bellick though.
Can't complain about the draft. Love Te'o, not sold on either of the Vol receivers but I can live with it. |
I am all for bring in Norv and a new offensive scheme! And for those who wonder if Ponder would be able to adapt to a whole new offense... What if it wasn't all new? I mean the Saints have an Air Coryell/WC hybrid offense don't they? Copy-cat league...
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without a decent DT, your MLB's gonna get hit a bit, not that the golden domer can't take it. Anyway, I assume the Vikes are about done winning, so is there not a premier QB or DT we could get? Fletcher Cox has helped make Demarco Ryans look very good as Cox requires constant doubles. Guion does not....
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