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SouthwestSteel
Joined: 08 Jan 2008 Posts: 1478
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 11:18 am Post subject: Let the debate begin: Eli or Big Ben |
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I considered putting this in the game day thread, but it seems to warrant its own, since it is a long running debate:
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When the Steelers play the Giants on Sunday, there will be something swirling at New York's MetLife Stadium that has nothing to do with a superstorm. It's the long-running debate over whether Ben Roethlisberger or Eli Manning is the best quarterback from the 2004 draft.
Roethlisberger and Manning are known for winning Super Bowls (they've combined to win four of the eight played since they entered the league). They're known for making big plays in big moments. They're known for being tough, albeit in different ways. And they have been forever linked since the day they were drafted in the first round eight years ago. Manning was selected first overall, and Roethlisberger was taken at No. 11. The margin between them is much, much closer now.
Choosing between Roethlisberger and Manning is difficult because there really isn't a right answer or a wrong one. It ultimately comes down to preference and perspective. |
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/57999/let-the-debate-begin-eli-or-big-ben |
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KJtheWicked
Joined: 30 Dec 2007 Posts: 1909 Location: Norrisville, Pa
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 11:52 am Post subject: |
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Since Ben is OUR QB, I gotta go with Ben. Can't go wrong either way though. Eli is top notch as well. |
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at23steelers
Joined: 05 Mar 2011 Posts: 3705 Location: United States
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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Only reason I'd side with Big Ben slightly on this is because he turns the ball over less. Maybe not early on in his career, but he's making less and less dumb mistakes. Might have to do with the improvement of our offensive line's pass blocking too. Pretty equal though. |
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Dcash4
Joined: 21 Apr 2008 Posts: 1486
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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Obviously the answer is Rivers
Honestly, you cant go wrong with either. I think Ben fits perfectly with the Steelers. Tough, gritty QB who takes a beating and keeps on trucking - just seems fitting for Pittsburgh.
Unless over the rest of their careers something drasticly changes, I dont think there will ever really be a right or wrong answer to whos better. |
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FourThreeMafia 
Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 63655 Location: East of Sixburgh
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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Let the debate BEGIN?
The debate has been going on since 2004 and will keep going unitl they retire.
3 years ago, I wouldve said Ben easily.
Now...they are neck and neck. Eli has become much more consistent and is a much better QB these days.
Ill take Ben for two main reasons...a) Im a Steeler fan, and b) Ben fits our style of play more than Eli (although our style of play changes more every year)
In terms of quality, though...they are on the same level.
Sadly, both are mere ants to the most talented QB in the league, Phillip Rivers. _________________
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stefan52268 
Joined: 14 Apr 2010 Posts: 7330 Location: Pittsburgh
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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It's very close pretty much a push. I would give Ben a slight edge only because I'm a Steelers fan and he fits our Offense a bit better.
I wouldn't complain if either were my QB though. _________________
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Bobikus 
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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Eli and Ben are pretty much neck and neck right NOW, but I think Ben's easily been the better QB overall from 04-now. _________________
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stillersenat
 Joined: 23 Mar 2007 Posts: 11712 Location: In over my head.
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JustPlainNasty
Joined: 11 Feb 2008 Posts: 7328 Location: Las Vegas
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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I love what Ben & Haley are doing this year. I would say that Eli surpassed Ben over the past couple of years in development but this year shows that Ben can do the little things that make you a great qb, that move the ball and control the clock. _________________ Do something you love so much you'd gladly do it for free, learn to do it so well, people will gladly pay you for it. - Walt Disney |
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Steelerspower
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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There's no wrong answer
Both are winners, very good leader and they will be in HOF when their career will be over _________________
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at23steelers
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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FourThreeMafia wrote: | Let the debate BEGIN?
The debate has been going on since 2004 and will keep going unitl they retire.
3 years ago, I wouldve said Ben easily.
Now...they are neck and neck. Eli has become much more consistent and is a much better QB these days.
Ill take Ben for two main reasons...a) Im a Steeler fan, and b) Ben fits our style of play more than Eli (although our style of play changes more every year)
In terms of quality, though...they are on the same level.
Sadly, both are mere ants to the most talented QB in the league, Phillip Rivers. |
How's that Manning for Rivers trade tasting??  |
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Bobikus 
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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Still TBD on that trade I think. Either player was notable in 04-05 and Rivers was clearly better from 06-10. If 11-12 Rivers is what he remains then Giants won the trade in the long term though. _________________
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Steelerspower
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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The Giants have already easily won this trade
Eli is better than Rivers in the playoffs, especially on the road
Yes, the Giants have given the first round choice in 2005, but the Giants had at least three very good players in 2005 which has helped the Giants to win two Super Bowl _________________
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Bobikus 
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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As of now the Chargers still got an equal or better deal in the trade up to this point since Rivers has been the better player for the majority of the span, and they got decent play from the other picks/players for various amounts of time. That the Chargers weren't a good enough team regardless to get that team to the Super Bowl is a separate issue from the value of the trade. _________________
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lionslicer 
Joined: 06 Nov 2010 Posts: 1820
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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FourThreeMafia wrote: |
Sadly, both are mere ants to the most talented QB in the league, Phillip Rivers. |
That gosh darn Rivers, stealing the spot light. Wish the Giants would have drafted Ben, traded for Eli and let the Steelers get Rivers. Oh what could have been! _________________ Kickers are people too |
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