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Mr. V
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| Its A Sabotage wrote: | | Jaguarfan wrote: | | Mr. V wrote: | | Tyler Bray/Logan Thomas late possibly? Not sure how I feel about either though. |
I don't like Bray. Too many red flags. I don't know much at all about Thomas. |
Bray is about to be benched.
Murray is too small with questions about his mechanics and arm.
Thomas is a mess all over and not making progress.
If we go with a QB, Ryan Applin of Arkansas State is a Murray clone with a better arm and mechanics...but just as small. |
It benefits Bray to come out this year (see Landry Jones). He doesn't have to start right away.
I don't thin Murray declares this year.
Thomas is the same as Bray kind of. The coaching he is getting isn't gonna help him right now imo.
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Adrenaline_Flux
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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Tyler Bray is a worse version of Blaine Gabbert without Gabbert's intangibles.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Adrenaline_Flux wrote: | | Tyler Bray is a worse version of Blaine Gabbert without Gabbert's intangibles. |
And with an attitude problem.
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Mr. V
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Adrenaline_Flux wrote: | | Tyler Bray is a worse version of Blaine Gabbert without Gabbert's intangibles. |
I'm not saying I want him, just an option.
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Adrenaline_Flux
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Jaguarfan wrote: | | Adrenaline_Flux wrote: | | Tyler Bray is a worse version of Blaine Gabbert without Gabbert's intangibles. |
And with an attitude problem. |
That'd be part of the intangibles. 
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Adrenaline_Flux
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Mr. V wrote: | | Adrenaline_Flux wrote: | | Tyler Bray is a worse version of Blaine Gabbert without Gabbert's intangibles. |
I'm not saying I want him, just an option. |
As long as they accept my paperwork, I'll be an option in the 2014 NFL Draft.
Edit: Assuming I still plan to declare early.
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Its A Sabotage
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| Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Adrenaline_Flux wrote: | | Mr. V wrote: | | Adrenaline_Flux wrote: | | Tyler Bray is a worse version of Blaine Gabbert without Gabbert's intangibles. |
I'm not saying I want him, just an option. |
As long as they accept my paperwork, I'll be an option in the 2014 NFL Draft.
Edit: Assuming I still plan to declare early. |
Nah, we need you to play HB the next couple of years at the U.
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Adrenaline_Flux
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| Its A Sabotage wrote: | | Adrenaline_Flux wrote: | | Mr. V wrote: | | Adrenaline_Flux wrote: | | Tyler Bray is a worse version of Blaine Gabbert without Gabbert's intangibles. |
I'm not saying I want him, just an option. |
As long as they accept my paperwork, I'll be an option in the 2014 NFL Draft.
Edit: Assuming I still plan to declare early. |
Nah, we need you to play HB the next couple of years at the U. |
But I'll either be stuck as the COP when Weisman isn't hurt or I'll get hit by a bus or something.
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| Adrenaline_Flux wrote: | | I'll get hit by a bus or something. |
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| iPwn wrote: | | Adrenaline_Flux wrote: | | I'll get hit by a bus or something. |
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AIRBHG is a helluva curse.
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| iPwn wrote: | | Adrenaline_Flux wrote: | | I'll get hit by a bus or something. |
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Interesting the way they're handling the injury situation. Makes me wonder how serious the tear is, and what that means for Gabbert's future here.
| Mr. V wrote: | | Thoughts on Zac Dysert and Tanner Price? |
What little i've seen of Dysert is interesting. Haven't seen much, but he seems to have some good tools and intangibles. Somewhere i heard or read something suggesting there's a bit of Aaron Rodgers to him, and i can kind of see it in some elements of his play. But he seems to have some issues with going through progressions and staring targets down though. Seems like an intriguing candidate for a later QB pick. But i haven't seen enough to really make up my mind there yet.
I still want nothing to do with Bray or Logan Thomas. Both disasters waiting to happen imo.
As i've indicated before though, i'm completely on board with the idea of trading down, picking up some much needed extra picks at the top of the draft, and rolling the dice on a QB later (unless one of Geno/Wilson/Barkley miraculously wins me over beyond a shadow of a doubt, which isn't looking likely).
I still like Landry Jones as my top candidate for a project/gamble QB. He's not a flawless QB prospect by any stretch, but there are plenty of things to like and he seems to have a good attitude. Fairly productive, though how much of that is system-related is debatable. Has a solid arm. I think the deep-ball questions are overblown. Definitely has the arm for it and he does make plenty of difficult throws, and seems to have issues with WR drops and/or not winning battles deep at times. The biggest concerns i see, are the inconsistent pocket mechanics and doesn't really take drops from under center, and that system doesn't really have him doing a whole lot of pre snap reads. But still might be worth a shot. I think he has more upside than people give him credit for.
Aaron Murray would be a solid candidate as well. The height thing is worth considering, but it's not as though a QB his size (or smaller) has never had success before. He has a lot of other good attributes outside of that though.
Obviously, talking about these 'imperfect' later QB prospects, there's going to be a lot of subjectivity and personal preference to it though. So it's easy to see how everyone is going to have widely varying opinions on it. I just hope whoever is at the helm as GM of this team come draft day is the sort of guy who has "good" opinions on it. |
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Dysert - NFL frame (6'3 230) with strong legs and core...strong NFL ready arm and makes quick decisions...He has no NFL talent around him, but makes his team better...quick processor, sure thrower, and will read progressions well, rarely will lock on or read pre-snap (something Blaine does consistently)...not an athlete, but moves well in the pocket and doesn't panic nor rush (stands tall)...completion precentage isn't there, as his receivers drop nearly 5-10 passes a game.
If you want to see how he will look in the NFL, put on the Ohio State game and watch him move and throw with a muddy pocket and Buckeyes all over his back, legs, and knees.
edit, he is currently 4th on my QB list (Smith, Wilson, Barkley, Dysert)
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Check out Tanner Price and tell me what you guys think of him. I think he's an underrated prospect whose stock could rocket.
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| Its A Sabotage wrote: | Dysert - NFL frame (6'3 230) with strong legs and core...strong NFL ready arm and makes quick decisions...He has no NFL talent around him, but makes his team better...quick processor, sure thrower, and will read progressions well, rarely will lock on or read pre-snap (something Blaine does consistently)...not an athlete, but moves well in the pocket and doesn't panic nor rush (stands tall)...completion precentage isn't there, as his receivers drop nearly 5-10 passes a game.
If you want to see how he will look in the NFL, put on the Ohio State game and watch him move and throw with a muddy pocket and Buckeyes all over his back, legs, and knees.
edit, he is currently 4th on my QB list (Smith, Wilson, Barkley, Dysert) |
From what i've seen of Dysert, the arm is what really stood out to me immediately. Lots of power and looks like a good release. I don't really agree on progressions and not staring down receivers thing though, but again, i'm just going by what i've seen. I definitely intend to look into him more. There's some real nice things there. |
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