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 Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:19 am Post subject: Malcolm Jenkins |
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I thought since we are having so much debate about him in the other threads, we could give him his own thread to talk about him after each game and such. As we can all agree, he has underperformed this year to date. However most of us disagree on whether Jenkins is done, or whether he can turn it around for our team. Here's a great article Triplett did on Jenkins.
http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2012/10/new_orleans_saints_need_malcol.html
| Quote: | The fourth-year pro hasn't necessarily been the defense's weakest link. Like everyone else, he's had a few good plays and a few bad ones this year. But the Saints don't just need Jenkins to be adequate - they need him to be great.
They need the former first-round draft pick to finally start delivering on the immense potential he flashed during his first two NFL seasons.
Maybe it's unfair to single out Jenkins. But it's his own fault, really. He raised the bar for himself in 2010, when he was twice named the NFC Defensive Player of the Week down the stretch of his sophomore year, after he made a smooth transition from cornerback to safety. |
Triplett makes some great points in the article. One, the potential that everyone saw his sophomore year when he won defensive player of the week twice and Alex Brown named him as one of the 3 most talented players he's every played with (the other two are Urlacher and Kearse) is still there. However, as Triplett mentions, he's been a step late to a few big plays so far this season because he's been hesitating. Two, he's clearly doing some things right, because Gregg Williams used to rave about him, and now Spags is raving about him.
So lets use this thread to keep track of his season and discuss his performances after each game. Is he really the worst player on our starting D?
2012 Season Stats:
37 tackles (27 solo)
2 passes defensed
1 fumble recovery
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Harper41
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So far this season, yes. Of course he ha potential but he certainly hasn't shown any this year. It could be that he's just been slower to adapt to this new defensive scheme though.
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| Harper41 wrote: | | So far this season, yes. Of course he ha potential but he certainly hasn't shown any this year. It could be that he's just been slower to adapt to this new defensive scheme though. |
He thinks too much.
I keep reading people on this forum saying that he "lacks instincts". No, he does NOT lack insticts. But he is thinking way too much. Instead of going after the ball, like he feels he should, he thinks about the play, and the fact that it's someone else's zone to be in or man to cover. But that split second hesitation is why we're having such a big debate here over him.
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Harper41
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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| SaintsBeast wrote: | | Harper41 wrote: | | So far this season, yes. Of course he ha potential but he certainly hasn't shown any this year. It could be that he's just been slower to adapt to this new defensive scheme though. |
He thinks too much.
I keep reading people on this forum saying that he "lacks instincts". No, he does NOT lack insticts. But he is thinking way too much. Instead of going after the ball, like he feels he should, he thinks about the play, and the fact that it's someone else's zone to be in or man to cover. But that split second hesitation is why we're having such a big debate here over him. |
Its a possibility. Theirs no doubt he's regressed since his sophomore year though, I'd love an explanation on why but we all have our own opinions.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Harper41 wrote: | | SaintsBeast wrote: | | Harper41 wrote: | | So far this season, yes. Of course he ha potential but he certainly hasn't shown any this year. It could be that he's just been slower to adapt to this new defensive scheme though. |
He thinks too much.
I keep reading people on this forum saying that he "lacks instincts". No, he does NOT lack insticts. But he is thinking way too much. Instead of going after the ball, like he feels he should, he thinks about the play, and the fact that it's someone else's zone to be in or man to cover. But that split second hesitation is why we're having such a big debate here over him. |
Its a possibility. Theirs no doubt he's regressed since his sophomore year though, I'd love an explanation on why but we all have our own opinions. |
Beating a dead horse in my opinion... Really dosent matter what any of us think of Jenkins, the coaching staff believes in him. Spags has been quoted numerous times saying that Jenkins is the quarterback of his defense.
Jenkins is here for the long haul... much like a few other members of this defense that some of us may or may not want to see go or stay.
The only players on this defense I feel are locks to be let go in the offseason are... Vilma, Smith, Ellis, Shanle and Hearing.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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| whodatworm23 wrote: | | Harper41 wrote: | | SaintsBeast wrote: | | Harper41 wrote: | | So far this season, yes. Of course he ha potential but he certainly hasn't shown any this year. It could be that he's just been slower to adapt to this new defensive scheme though. |
He thinks too much.
I keep reading people on this forum saying that he "lacks instincts". No, he does NOT lack insticts. But he is thinking way too much. Instead of going after the ball, like he feels he should, he thinks about the play, and the fact that it's someone else's zone to be in or man to cover. But that split second hesitation is why we're having such a big debate here over him. |
Its a possibility. Theirs no doubt he's regressed since his sophomore year though, I'd love an explanation on why but we all have our own opinions. |
Beating a dead horse in my opinion... Really dosent matter what any of us think of Jenkins, the coaching staff believes in him. Spags has been quoted numerous times saying that Jenkins is the quarterback of his defense.
Jenkins is here for the long haul... much like a few other members of this defense that some of us may or may not want to see go or stay.
The only players on this defense I feel are locks to be let go in the offseason are... Vilma, Smith, Ellis, Shanle and Hearing. |
I don't think Vilmas a lock to go. He's still the unquestioned leader of this defense, I could see him taking a pay cut to stick around for 2-3 more years.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Harper41 wrote: | | whodatworm23 wrote: | | Harper41 wrote: | | SaintsBeast wrote: | | Harper41 wrote: | | So far this season, yes. Of course he ha potential but he certainly hasn't shown any this year. It could be that he's just been slower to adapt to this new defensive scheme though. |
He thinks too much.
I keep reading people on this forum saying that he "lacks instincts". No, he does NOT lack insticts. But he is thinking way too much. Instead of going after the ball, like he feels he should, he thinks about the play, and the fact that it's someone else's zone to be in or man to cover. But that split second hesitation is why we're having such a big debate here over him. |
Its a possibility. Theirs no doubt he's regressed since his sophomore year though, I'd love an explanation on why but we all have our own opinions. |
Beating a dead horse in my opinion... Really dosent matter what any of us think of Jenkins, the coaching staff believes in him. Spags has been quoted numerous times saying that Jenkins is the quarterback of his defense.
Jenkins is here for the long haul... much like a few other members of this defense that some of us may or may not want to see go or stay.
The only players on this defense I feel are locks to be let go in the offseason are... Vilma, Smith, Ellis, Shanle and Hearing. |
I don't think Vilmas a lock to go. He's still the unquestioned leader of this defense, I could see him taking a pay cut to stick around for 2-3 more years. |
That is exactly the problem... LOFTON is our new leader and he's a good one but he dosent need the defensive unit divided. Vilma hasen't been very good over the last few years anyway, he's battled knee injuries and has clearly lost a step or two. This team does not need Vilma to accept a pay cut, they need him removed from the team.
between the constant Bounty bullsh*t and the battle within our own defensive locker room he's not worth keeping around. Let him go, turn to Lofton as our leader, use the money to persue younger, healthier, more athletic players.
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I see your point, I guess we'll see what happens in the off-season. I'd love to see us use the cash we'd save from Vilma and Smith to go after Michael Johnson and Darryl Smith. Theirs also plenty of safeties available this year, it should be an exciting off-season.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Harper41 wrote: | | I see your point, I guess we'll see what happens in the off-season. I'd love to see us use the cash we'd save from Vilma and Smith to go after Michael Johnson and Darryl Smith. Theirs also plenty of safeties available this year, it should be an exciting off-season. |
Now your talking...
Hey, I see you got a Florida logo in your sig. I tell you what scoop, im to the point where I wouldent mind seeing the Saints trade down in round 1 get more picks and take Matt Elam.
Did you see that guy ball aganist LSU!!!
That guy gonna be a better verison of Ryan Clark in the NFL... ture playmaking safety, very underrated!
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| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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| whodatworm23 wrote: | | Harper41 wrote: | | I see your point, I guess we'll see what happens in the off-season. I'd love to see us use the cash we'd save from Vilma and Smith to go after Michael Johnson and Darryl Smith. Theirs also plenty of safeties available this year, it should be an exciting off-season. |
Now your talking...
Hey, I see you got a Florida logo in your sig. I tell you what scoop, im to the point where I wouldent mind seeing the Saints trade down in round 1 get more picks and take Matt Elam.
Did you see that guy ball aganist LSU!!!
That guy gonna be a better verison of Ryan Clark in the NFL... ture playmaking safety, very underrated! |
Now theirs something we can see eye to eye on  Matt Elam is going to be a stud at the next level, his forced fumble was a thing of beauty in that game. If we can add a DE in the offseason I think a play making safety, whether it be SS or FS, is the next biggest concern on our list. I know our OTs are terrible but Brees can make them look better, nothing is going to make our defense look better except TALENT.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Harper41 wrote: | | whodatworm23 wrote: | | Harper41 wrote: | | I see your point, I guess we'll see what happens in the off-season. I'd love to see us use the cash we'd save from Vilma and Smith to go after Michael Johnson and Darryl Smith. Theirs also plenty of safeties available this year, it should be an exciting off-season. |
Now your talking...
Hey, I see you got a Florida logo in your sig. I tell you what scoop, im to the point where I wouldent mind seeing the Saints trade down in round 1 get more picks and take Matt Elam.
Did you see that guy ball aganist LSU!!!
That guy gonna be a better verison of Ryan Clark in the NFL... ture playmaking safety, very underrated! |
Now theirs something we can see eye to eye on Matt Elam is going to be a stud at the next level, his forced fumble was a thing of beauty in that game. If we can add a DE in the offseason I think a play making safety, whether it be SS or FS, is the next biggest concern on our list. I know our OTs are terrible but Brees can make them look better, nothing is going to make our defense look better except TALENT. |
Elam gonna make some team very happy next season... would love to see dat dude laying wood in the black and gold!
dude was straight BEAST MODE aganist LSU
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I think we could definitely snag Matt Elam in the middle of the 2nd round which would be perfect, he's one of those "hybrid" safeties that teams have been coveting. He's got the athletic ability and instincts to drop back into coverage and make plays on the ball while also possessing the ability to step up in the box and lay the wood, as shown here
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| Quote: | | I think we could definitely snag Matt Elam in the middle of the 2nd round |
Not so sure Harp... Dude is quietly making his way up draft boards and if he keeps this level of play up he'll continue to rise. Also from everything I read and hear, he's one of those guys that will test off the charts at the combine so in my opinion Elam when its all said and done will likley be taken somewhere between picks 22-32.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:37 am Post subject: |
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| whodatworm23 wrote: | | Quote: | | I think we could definitely snag Matt Elam in the middle of the 2nd round |
Not so sure Harp... Dude is quietly making his way up draft boards and if he keeps this level of play up he'll continue to rise. Also from everything I read and hear, he's one of those guys that will test off the charts at the combine so in my opinion Elam when its all said and done will likley be taken somewhere between picks 22-32. |
I think he's going to drop because he's a SS but he's only 5'10 and barely 200 pounds, at least I hope he does
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Harper41 wrote: | | whodatworm23 wrote: | | Quote: | | I think we could definitely snag Matt Elam in the middle of the 2nd round |
Not so sure Harp... Dude is quietly making his way up draft boards and if he keeps this level of play up he'll continue to rise. Also from everything I read and hear, he's one of those guys that will test off the charts at the combine so in my opinion Elam when its all said and done will likley be taken somewhere between picks 22-32. |
I think he's going to drop because he's a SS but he's only 5'10 and barely 200 pounds, at least I hope he does |
I see alot of Bob Sanders in that guy... if he drops, teams will regret it!
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