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Who will win?
Patriots
71%
 71%  [ 20 ]
Broncos
28%
 28%  [ 8 ]
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Billy Spikes


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I re-watched some of the game, one thing Wilson showed is that he's a very good tackler for a DB... although he has some issues with playing deep safety and getting to the right depth.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rabbisson wrote:
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Moore got burned at least twice.


I counted thrice. On two of them Chung had different responsibilities. The other one he did get over a bit late, but Moore offered no resistance to start the play. Dennard looked SO much better.


According to NESN, Moore had one of the worst games for a Patriot DB in recent memory

Targeted 6 times
6 catches allowed
138 yards

Wow.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dhunt2402 wrote:
rabbisson wrote:
dhunt2402 wrote:
Moore got burned at least twice.


I counted thrice. On two of them Chung had different responsibilities. The other one he did get over a bit late, but Moore offered no resistance to start the play. Dennard looked SO much better.


According to NESN, Moore had one of the worst games for a Patriot DB in recent memory

Targeted 6 times
6 catches allowed
138 yards

Wow.

He can't cover, at all. He has plus ball skills, and that's about it. No way he should be playing ahead of Dowling and Dennard unless they're not healthy.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At the completely opposite end of the spectrum, Dennard was targeted four times, and allowed zero completions, including 2 passes defensed.

Hoping for a McCourty/Dennard/Arrington top 3 moving forward, with Dowling as the big nickel.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dhunt2402 wrote:
At the completely opposite end of the spectrum, Dennard was targeted four times, and allowed zero completions, including 2 passes defensed.

Hoping for a McCourty/Dennard/Arrington top 3 moving forward, with Dowling as the big nickel.


He did allow Tamme to get wide open on a crossing route in the first half [i believe it was his 2nd snap of the game] but Manning overthrew Tamme.

Dennard then made a good break-up on the ball on 3rd down to force a punt a play later.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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He can't cover, at all. He has plus ball skills, and that's about it. No way he should be playing ahead of Dowling and Dennard unless they're not healthy.


Spikes/Guyton 2.0. The one thing he has going for him is the one thing McCourty's missing.
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24isthelaw wrote:
Richter wrote:

He can't cover, at all. He has plus ball skills, and that's about it. No way he should be playing ahead of Dowling and Dennard unless they're not healthy.


Spikes/Guyton 2.0. The one thing he has going for him is the one thing McCourty's missing.
McCourty isn't without ball skills, he just doesn't use them very consistently, and that's really maddening. The two picks he made against the Bills were very impressive. If that McCourty could show up every week, he'd probably be a top-3 corner.
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FYI, Dennard was the 5th ranked CB according to nfl.com's combine grades, for whatever that's worth. The top 4 were Kirpatrick, Jenkins, Claiborne and Jayron Hosley. Dennard graded ahead of both Gilmore and Trumaine Johnson.

If he plays up to that billing, he'll be the steal of the draft.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tzimisce wrote:
24isthelaw wrote:
Richter wrote:

He can't cover, at all. He has plus ball skills, and that's about it. No way he should be playing ahead of Dowling and Dennard unless they're not healthy.


Spikes/Guyton 2.0. The one thing he has going for him is the one thing McCourty's missing.
McCourty isn't without ball skills, he just doesn't use them very consistently, and that's really maddening. The two picks he made against the Bills were very impressive. If that McCourty could show up every week, he'd probably be a top-3 corner.


If McCourty had Moore's awareness and ability to track the ball, he'd be a top 10 corner for sure.

On the other hand, the skills Moore possesses aren't very useful when opposing players make him look like he's stuck in quicksand.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Billy Spikes wrote:
dhunt2402 wrote:
At the completely opposite end of the spectrum, Dennard was targeted four times, and allowed zero completions, including 2 passes defensed.

Hoping for a McCourty/Dennard/Arrington top 3 moving forward, with Dowling as the big nickel.


He did allow Tamme to get wide open on a crossing route in the first half [i believe it was his 2nd snap of the game] but Manning overthrew Tamme.

Dennard then made a good break-up on the ball on 3rd down to force a punt a play later.

Still think he was passing him off to Chung and Chung should have been in coverage there.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Richter wrote:
Billy Spikes wrote:
dhunt2402 wrote:
At the completely opposite end of the spectrum, Dennard was targeted four times, and allowed zero completions, including 2 passes defensed.

Hoping for a McCourty/Dennard/Arrington top 3 moving forward, with Dowling as the big nickel.


He did allow Tamme to get wide open on a crossing route in the first half [i believe it was his 2nd snap of the game] but Manning overthrew Tamme.

Dennard then made a good break-up on the ball on 3rd down to force a punt a play later.

Still think he was passing him off to Chung and Chung should have been in coverage there.


Not the way i saw it but possibly.

Chung had a pretty bad game either way, on that 2nd long pass attempt to Decker which Dennard made a great play on to deflect the pass, Chung completely whiffed on making a play on the ball despite been in position... instead of both DBs making a play it ended been one on one with Dennard and Decker because of how poorly Chung played it.
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Richter wrote:
Billy Spikes wrote:
dhunt2402 wrote:
At the completely opposite end of the spectrum, Dennard was targeted four times, and allowed zero completions, including 2 passes defensed.

Hoping for a McCourty/Dennard/Arrington top 3 moving forward, with Dowling as the big nickel.


He did allow Tamme to get wide open on a crossing route in the first half [i believe it was his 2nd snap of the game] but Manning overthrew Tamme.

Dennard then made a good break-up on the ball on 3rd down to force a punt a play later.

Still think he was passing him off to Chung and Chung should have been in coverage there.


I also saw it this way. Given Chungs previous history, it isn't far fetched.
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Comparing 2007 and 2012 Patriots offenses
Yards/game (rank) Rush yards/game (rank) Pass yards/game (rank) Points/game (rank)
2007 411 (1st) 115 (13th) 296 (1st) 37 (1st)
2012 439 (1st) 165 (3rd) 274 (9th) 33 (1st)
> 2012 statistics through first five games
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24isthelaw wrote:
Tzimisce wrote:
24isthelaw wrote:
Richter wrote:

He can't cover, at all. He has plus ball skills, and that's about it. No way he should be playing ahead of Dowling and Dennard unless they're not healthy.


Spikes/Guyton 2.0. The one thing he has going for him is the one thing McCourty's missing.
McCourty isn't without ball skills, he just doesn't use them very consistently, and that's really maddening. The two picks he made against the Bills were very impressive. If that McCourty could show up every week, he'd probably be a top-3 corner.


If McCourty had Moore's awareness and ability to track the ball, he'd be a top 10 corner for sure.

On the other hand, the skills Moore possesses aren't very useful when opposing players make him look like he's stuck in quicksand.


For what it's worth, FO has McCourty as graded the 5th best Cb in the NFL.
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tonyto3690 wrote:
24isthelaw wrote:
Tzimisce wrote:
24isthelaw wrote:
Richter wrote:

He can't cover, at all. He has plus ball skills, and that's about it. No way he should be playing ahead of Dowling and Dennard unless they're not healthy.


Spikes/Guyton 2.0. The one thing he has going for him is the one thing McCourty's missing.
McCourty isn't without ball skills, he just doesn't use them very consistently, and that's really maddening. The two picks he made against the Bills were very impressive. If that McCourty could show up every week, he'd probably be a top-3 corner.


If McCourty had Moore's awareness and ability to track the ball, he'd be a top 10 corner for sure.

On the other hand, the skills Moore possesses aren't very useful when opposing players make him look like he's stuck in quicksand.


For what it's worth, FO has McCourty as graded the 5th best Cb in the NFL.


And PFF has him as the second best cover corner.

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