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Drew_Carey


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 5:19 pm    Post subject: way too early mock Reply with quote

playing around.. had an extra few minutes sitting on the couch...


Browns: #1 pick in the draft.

Owner: Haslam
PFO: Banner
- Holmgren retires
GM: Heckert
- Heckert's draft is seem as strong enough to keep his job, however Banner makes it known that he will have his hand in Free Agency.
HC: Childress
- Steps into the HC position bring a large amount of experience, and keeps the majority of current staff in place
DC: Jauron
- Jauron's success on defense and his interest in staying at this position, keeps him in control of the defense.
OC: Kevin Sumlin
- I would love to see a more dynamic offense brought in. Sumlin's offense is a more attacking style that retains much of the current systems.




#1. QB, Geno Smith
- By far the #1 pick. With Weedon struggling to transition to the NFL game, passing on an ELITE QB prospect is not in the cards.

2nd. WR, Josh Gordon

3rd. CB, Jordan Poyer

4th. WR, Da'Rick Rogers

5th. OG, Braden Hansen

6th. RB, Chris Thompson

7th. OT, LaAdrian Waddle

7th. S, John Boyett
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Liked the first two picks (not including Gordon). Hated the rest of the draft
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, because Weeden is "struggling" its an automatic that another rookie can come in and produce?

What happens if we draft Smith and he tanks the first few weeks? Draft another QB?

At the moment, if we pick one, you trade down. All day.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bulldog wrote:
So, because Weeden is "struggling" its an automatic that another rookie can come in and produce?

What happens if we draft Smith and he tanks the first few weeks? Draft another QB?


I'd normally agree, except that Weeden is 29 years old
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bulldog wrote:
So, because Weeden is "struggling" its an automatic that another rookie can come in and produce?

What happens if we draft Smith and he tanks the first few weeks? Draft another QB?

At the moment, if we pick one, you trade down. All day.


My only "unless" on this reasoning is if someone gives us a decent amount for Weeden.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hate is not a strong enough word.

Not enough FS

Not enough CB

Not enough pass rush

Too much QB
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:39 pm    Post subject: Re: way too early mock Reply with quote

Drew_Carey wrote:
playing around.. had an extra few minutes sitting on the couch...


Browns: #1 pick in the draft.

Owner: Haslam
PFO: Banner
- Holmgren retires
GM: Heckert
- Heckert's draft is seem as strong enough to keep his job, however Banner makes it known that he will have his hand in Free Agency.
HC: Childress
- Steps into the HC position bring a large amount of experience, and keeps the majority of current staff in place
DC: Jauron
- Jauron's success on defense and his interest in staying at this position, keeps him in control of the defense.
OC: Kevin Sumlin
- I would love to see a more dynamic offense brought in. Sumlin's offense is a more attacking style that retains much of the current systems.




#1. QB, Geno Smith
- By far the #1 pick. With Weedon struggling to transition to the NFL game, passing on an ELITE QB prospect is not in the cards.

2nd. WR, Josh Gordon

3rd. CB, Jordan Poyer

4th. WR, Da'Rick Rogers

5th. OG, Braden Hansen

6th. RB, Chris Thompson

7th. OT, LaAdrian Waddle

7th. S, John Boyett


Not going to be critical of anybody drafting Smith or trading down with the number one pick. Actually I like the first three picks but we might be better off picking a def. end or safety in the fourth round unless we sign both in free agency. Without a second rounder I could see Haslim telling our g.m. to sign one good free agent especially if we plan to draft Smith at q.b.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

candyman93 wrote:
Liked the first two picks (not including Gordon). Hated the rest of the draft


hate is such a strong word. Very Happy



Im not committed to any of these guys of course, just a rough draft, but they have some positives...


Im glad you like Da'Rick Rogers. I think the kid could be a great pick up. Great talent but raw, and has some off field (maturity) issues. He is very much in the mold of Little and Gordon.

Guard, Braden Hansen did pretty good against Lotulelei. Shows promise with the big boys he would face in the afc north.

Chris Thompson is a rb with simply speed speed speed. Something the team lacks.

LaAdrian Waddle has the size, and multiple years starting in the Big 12. He is a backup left tackle and right tackle prospect.

John Boyett was productive at safety and has good potential but ripped his knee and missing his senior season. We safety depth and we know heckert likes guys with bad knees. haha
-- but in the 7th if the kid doesnt make it what is the loss?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KamTrus20 wrote:
Hate is not a strong enough word.

Not enough FS

Not enough CB

Not enough pass rush

Too much QB


Cant address every need in one draft with any realism.

Free agency is something this team needs to use to plug holes in the roster and use the draft to pick up bpa.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:49 pm    Post subject: Re: way too early mock Reply with quote

cattleman78 wrote:

Not going to be critical of anybody drafting Smith or trading down with the number one pick. Actually I like the first three picks but we might be better off picking a def. end or safety in the fourth round unless we sign both in free agency. Without a second rounder I could see Haslim telling our g.m. to sign one good free agent especially if we plan to draft Smith at q.b.



Id love to pick up a starting safety in the draft, but its either that or a #2 CB. This is where FA is going to have to come into play...

DE would be great to address, but it looks like the best spot to take one is in the first... and Im taking Geno over the crop available at this point.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Estonianzulu wrote:
bulldog wrote:
So, because Weeden is "struggling" its an automatic that another rookie can come in and produce?

What happens if we draft Smith and he tanks the first few weeks? Draft another QB?


I'd normally agree, except that Weeden is 29 years old


I know that may change things, but the guy needs to get at least a year to show what he can do. Making judgment after 5 games isn't a great way to go about it. Even one year is kind of rough.

Didn't Peyton Manning go 2-14 or 3-13 his rookie year? then 13-3 the next?

It took 3 years for Stafford to blow up. Rams are still hanging on with Bradford.

I guess the question needs to be, is Geno Smith the next Andrew Luck/RG3?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Drew_Carey wrote:
KamTrus20 wrote:
Hate is not a strong enough word.

Not enough FS

Not enough CB

Not enough pass rush

Too much QB


Cant address every need in one draft with any realism.

Free agency is something this team needs to use to plug holes in the roster and use the draft to pick up bpa.


You could address more needs if you weren't wasting picks on positions we don't need.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bulldog wrote:

I know that may change things, but the guy needs to get at least a year to show what he can do. Making judgment after 5 games isn't a great way to go about it. Even one year is kind of rough.

Didn't Peyton Manning go 2-14 or 3-13 his rookie year? then 13-3 the next?

It took 3 years for Stafford to blow up. Rams are still hanging on with Bradford.

I guess the question needs to be, is Geno Smith the next Andrew Luck/RG3?


Manning and Bradford were #1 draft picks...

Is Smith as good as RG3/Luck? I say yes!! If all three came out together I would give Luck the edge for #1 (pro-style offense), Geno #2 because he is a better passer, RG3 because he is a better runner. but of course its early... it will be interesting to see how the rest of the season pans out.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KamTrus20 wrote:
Drew_Carey wrote:
KamTrus20 wrote:
Hate is not a strong enough word.

Not enough FS

Not enough CB

Not enough pass rush

Too much QB


Cant address every need in one draft with any realism.

Free agency is something this team needs to use to plug holes in the roster and use the draft to pick up bpa.


You could address more needs if you weren't wasting picks on positions we don't need.


like what?

1st - bpa
2nd - already on the team
3rd - #2 CB, one of the biggest needs on the team
4th and later are depth, rotational, and developmental players

You dont expect to get starters in the second half of the draft do you?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bulldog wrote:
So, because Weeden is "struggling" its an automatic that another rookie can come in and produce?

What happens if we draft Smith and he tanks the first few weeks? Draft another QB?

At the moment, if we pick one, you trade down. All day.


Good point. I am pretty sure that this is what some of our 'more seasoned' members are eluding to when they think a lot of the members here are young (no disrespect). And lemme say that opinions are opinions and I am not saying my theories are always accurate per say. But eventually when you have seriously watched the Browns for about 20+ years, you will see why this "draft, give it a year, turn it over" is just ridiculous.

Granted Brees was pretty darn good when SD traded him to New Orleans, but do you think the Chargers regret drafting Philip Rivers and trading away Drew Brees?? (and I am not comparing Brees to Weeden so hit the skids on that)

Furthermore, if Cam Newton struggles and takes the Panthers to a top 3 pick in the NFL draft next year, do you just scrap him and draft Geno or Barkley if you are Carolina?
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