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reckless123

Joined: 02 Jun 2011
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Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:26 am Post subject:

You could say so. Theyre more complete than the 49ers. The funny thing is, the 49ers have the better offensive weapons particularly at WR but that means nothing when your QB is average. At least schaub is pretty good.

i also dont think theyre the most complete team ive seen in a while.
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DreDay80

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Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:14 pm Post subject:

reckless123 wrote:

How do they have better weapons? I understand Vernon Davis but the rest of their receiving corps are just a bunch of average #2s.

vikingshomer

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Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:28 pm Post subject:

PurpleMugen wrote:

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2009 Vikings. But this Texans team is in the conversation, too (edge to the '09 Vikings, though).

Negative, Vikings didn't have close to a defense that the Texans have.

You're right. And the Texans don't have close to the offense the Vikings did.

This is about the most complete team, not who had the best offense/defense.

AntiSuperstar

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Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:31 pm Post subject:

reckless123 wrote:

You must really overrate the 49ers receivers to think this.
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Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:40 pm Post subject:

c0insnap wrote:

They are outstanding and they are the best team in the NFL... that being said, they have played some scrubs.

did you not see what they did to the broncos?

Jaytrajik

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Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:57 pm Post subject:

All this talk of the Texans makes me nervous. I kinda liked it better when we flew under the radar and nobody talked about us. Anxious

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JammerHammer21

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Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 1:01 pm Post subject:

reckless123 wrote:

SF's options are just a bunch of #2s at best and VD. HOU has Andre Johnson. Laughing

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Catch42

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Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:10 pm Post subject:

Jaytrajik wrote:

All this talk of the Texans makes me nervous. I kinda liked it better when we flew under the radar and nobody talked about us. Anxious

I have to say I'm looking forward to your Primetime games the next 2 weeks .

The Texans are pretty balanced. I do agree the 09 Vikings were well balanced, before that the 04 Patriots, and 01 Rams were all solid all around teams.
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Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:26 pm Post subject:

AntiSuperstar wrote:

reckless123 wrote:

You must really overrate the 49ers receivers to think this.

Yeah, they're awful. So is Smith. I mean they only set a franchise record for offensive yards in a single game. Complete Trash, a bunch of number 2s at best.

AntiSuperstar

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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:25 am Post subject:

Hieroglyphics wrote:

Yeah, they're awful. So is Smith. I mean they only set a franchise record for offensive yards in a single game. Complete Trash, a bunch of number 2s at best.

Yawn, putting words into my mouth. I can speak for myself I don't need you projecting your own ideas based on the stupid opinions other people have stated. I don't think all of the 49ers receivers are 2s. I actually think that statement doesn't even have a hint of truth in it. Crabtree is a standout player and he could be a #1 on other teams, but none of those other wide receivers are anything special. Calling them 2s would be false, all of them are 3s at best on a good team.
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scar988

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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:44 am Post subject:

AntiSuperstar wrote:

Hieroglyphics wrote:

Yeah, they're awful. So is Smith. I mean they only set a franchise record for offensive yards in a single game. Complete Trash, a bunch of number 2s at best.

I think he's being sarcastic...
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EliteTexan80

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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:12 am Post subject:

Jaytrajik wrote:

All this talk of the Texans makes me nervous. I kinda liked it better when we flew under the radar and nobody talked about us. Anxious

Me too.

Given yesterday's showing, I am quick to put the 49ers ahead of the Texans now; That offense is starting to come to form, and the D has been like that since Mike Singletary was calling the shots. Alex Smith is looking more and more like a #1 pick, he's finally developing as people expected back in 2005. Very scary team, and getting more and more "complete" as Smith progresses.

Atlanta and Houston is an interesting comparison; Both teams have very efficient, very cerebral QBs in Matty Ice and Matty Fire; Ice has more downfield opportunities with his two big WRs, so any numbers that the two have on tap will always skew towards Ice. Fire has the better run game at his disposal; Even with Michael Turner finding his groove, Arian Foster is a better runner, with a bigger "big play" capability, and a better option in the passing game. #2 RB is a no brainer, as Ben Tate is clearly a better option than Jaquizz Rodgers; Rodgers is a nice 3rd down option, but he doesn't have nearly as much ability to be an in-between runner. A fairer comparison to Rodgers would be the Texans #3 RB, Justin Forsett, and even that might lie with the Texans in terms of who is better. (I am wondering why Jason Snelling isn't getting touches, seemed like a pretty good RB...)

All in all, on that side of the ball...it comes down to personal preference. If you like a team that is very active in the passing game, throwing the ball a lot and making big plays, you pick Atlanta. If you like a TOP controlling offense with an occasional downfield presence, you pick Houston. No real "wrong" answer there, as both offenses are pretty well balanced.

Defensively? Tale of two units, simple as that. If you like having a moderate front seven with a dynamic back four, Atlanta is your choice. Even without Brent Grimes, the CB tandem of Asante Samuel and Dunta Robinson is a fine CB tandem. Both players have seemingly rid themselves of their bad habits (or said bad habits are being hidden by the best S tandem in the NFL) and both are playing good football right now. As said before, I believe that the tandem of William Moore and Thomas DeCoud are so deadly; Both guys are turnover machines, can play the run and the pass well; Both are smart players who find themselves in the right place at the right time. In Atlanta's front seven, Sean Witherspoon is among the best OLBs in the game, but I have a hard time identifying anything else that makes me take notice. I think Jordan Babaneaux is playing good football, John Abraham is playing well considering he's 55 or something years old, but...yeah, nothing really there to hang your hat on.

With the Texans, it's reversed; You have a good secondary, but a fantastic front seven...and it all starts with the only guy who is giving Matty Ice a run for MVP, and that's DE JJ Watt. Can't begin to describe the guy without use of the phrase "DPOY" and I believe it shows with how he's doing. Outside of him, you still have two very fast and active OLBs in Connor Barwin and Brooks Reed, one of the best ILBs in Brian Cushing, and a very stout DE in Antonio Smith. Even with the deficiencies brought on by Bradie James, you have a unit that is stout, from top to bottom. Unlike Atlanta's front seven, you have a standout player in the Texans secondary in Johnathan Joseph, an improving Kareem Jackson, and two vastly underrated S in Glover Quin and Danieal Manning. If Atlanta's S tandem is #1, the Texans duo isn't that far off - maybe 4th, behind the Ravens duo and the Seahawks duo.

Given THAT, I would give the Texans the edge on defense, and I'm sure others would agree. If there is contention, I'd like to hear it.

All in all - I have San Fran ahead of both Houston and Atlanta, and the NE Pats coming up as a unit that can pass both Houston and Atlanta (as NE is starting to develop a run game and defense, which has always held them back from being an absolute powerhouse). However, we're only five games into it (not even 1/3 of the season has been played) so I'm beyond crowning anyone until further notice.
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:33 pm Post subject:

PurpleMugen wrote:

G3RMANATOR wrote:

PurpleMugen wrote:

2009 Vikings. But this Texans team is in the conversation, too (edge to the '09 Vikings, though).

Negative, Vikings didn't have close to a defense that the Texans have.

You're right. And the Texans don't have close to the offense the Vikings did.

Right. The 2012 Texans are much better than the 2009 Vikings. That Minnesota team was top 10, but not to 5.This Texans team is comfortably top 5 on offense.

J
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:44 pm Post subject:

Can Matt Schaub stay healthy is the biggest question concerning the Texans.
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Nbanflguy

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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:07 pm Post subject:

onejayhawk wrote:

PurpleMugen wrote:

G3RMANATOR wrote:

PurpleMugen wrote:

2009 Vikings. But this Texans team is in the conversation, too (edge to the '09 Vikings, though).

Negative, Vikings didn't have close to a defense that the Texans have.

You're right. And the Texans don't have close to the offense the Vikings did.

Right. The 2012 Texans are much better than the 2009 Vikings. That Minnesota team was top 10, but not to 5.This Texans team is comfortably top 5 on offense.

J

It depends on how you grade offense. That Vikings team tied for 1st with 34 passing td's.
It was first in QB rating. 6th in rushing td's and 2nd in the nfl in points.

It was arguably the best offense in the league that year and 2nd at worst.
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