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CriminalMind
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Yep the WR class in the 1st round is weak compared to what we would like in terms of our "ideal" WR need.
I agree that for Woods, a possible best case scenario is a Percy Harvin, and we dont need another Percy Harvin WR. The only WR we should be considering in the 1st/2nd round is a big down field threat.
Other then "polished" Keenan Allen & Justin Hunter in the 1st, I would avoid this position
In the 2nd, I would explore selecting big bodies/down field threats with "potential to grow to #1 WR" (preferably well tested WRs from defensive power conferences)
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Maybe Bowe wouldnt be such a bad idea after all, given the apparent lack for a big, downfield threat in the the first round. I mean, if the price is right, its certainly should be explored. Then again, if Simpson and Harvin both get big money extensions, it may not be a great idea to spend a significant amount of free agent money on a another WR.
Obviously using free agency to upgrade a part of the team would provide more flexibility on draft day, especially if the team can focus on adding more youth and talent to the defense. |
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AP_ALL_DAY_28
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:13 am Post subject: |
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| [UMN] wrote: | | disaacs wrote: | | I know some sites have Robert Woods now projected as the Vikings' top pick...but, as always, I tend to shy away from USC WRs. I'd rather go elsewhere. |
Nothing about Woods really impresses me. He seems to be a less athletic Percy Harvin. His main asset is catching short passes and running, but he doesn't have the same explosion that Percy does.
I don't think he would be a very good fit for this team, in terms of what type of WR they need to add. |
I'm a USC fan & if they tok Woods in the 1st I wouldn't be too happy.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:39 am Post subject: |
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| CriminalMind wrote: | | JDBrocks wrote: | | If you had to chose between Te'o and Greenway, Te'o would win every time. Watch him play this year. Early on I considered him a 3-4 inside thumper. Watching him in coverage this year he is everywhere on the field. I was high on Keuchly last year, and higher on Te'o this year. |
I think this is an unfair direct comparison.
Are you comparing prime Greenway to prime Te'o?
Current/Future Greenway to current/future Teo.
Its not like if we drafted Te'o, he would be replacing Greenway now anyway.
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That's not what I was getting at. Right now Greenway is our only 3 down LB, and he's not a great nickel LB at that. Te'o would immediately be the best LB on the team and improve the defense in many ways. We shouldn't be talking about getting by in an area that we have been gashed for years if the solution to that problem is drafting a high impact LB like Te'o. This guy to me has the potential for a Willis type impact on this team.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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| AP_ALL_DAY_28 wrote: | | [UMN] wrote: | | disaacs wrote: | | I know some sites have Robert Woods now projected as the Vikings' top pick...but, as always, I tend to shy away from USC WRs. I'd rather go elsewhere. |
Nothing about Woods really impresses me. He seems to be a less athletic Percy Harvin. His main asset is catching short passes and running, but he doesn't have the same explosion that Percy does.
I don't think he would be a very good fit for this team, in terms of what type of WR they need to add. |
I'm a USC fan & if they tok Woods in the 1st I wouldn't be too happy. |
Not a fan either (of Woods that is). If you are going to use a 1st round pick on a wide reciever, get one with an elite H-W-S package.
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Sloppy28
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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Just some prospects that might be going in the top 2 rounds. Feel free to add your thoughts on some of these guys and how they would fit.
DT: 1st and 2nd Rounders
Johnathan Hankins - TOSU
Star Lotulelei - Utah
John Jenkins - Georgia
Sylvester Williams - UNC
Kawann Short - Purdue
Jesse Williams - Alabama
*Sharrif Floyd - Florida
*Bennie Logan - LSU
LB: 1st and 2nd Rounders
Manti Te'o - ND
Nico Johnson - Alabama
Michael Mauti - Penn State
*Kevin Minter - LSU
*Alexander Ogletree - Georgia
WR: 1st and 2nd Rounders
*Keenan Allen - Cal
*Justin Hunter - U Tennessee
*Robert Woods - USC
Terrance Williams - Baylor
*Da'Rick Rogers - TTech
*Marquess Wilson - Wash. State
Aaron Dobson - Marsh.
*Cordarrelle Patterson - U Tennessee
S: 1st and 2nd Rounders
*Eric Reid - LSU
*David Amerson - NCS
T.J. McDonald - USC
Kenny Vaccaro - Texas
Robert Lester - Alabama
*Tony Jefferson - Oklahoma
Bacarri Rambo - Georgia
CB: 1st and 2nd Rounders
*Dee Milliner - Bama
Johnthan Banks - MS
*Xavier Rhodes - FS
*Carrington Byndom - Texas
*Tyrann Mathieu - Who knows
Terry Hawthorne - Illinois
*Justin Gilbert - Oklahoma St.
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Sloppy28
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Based on ^^ that, what would your TOP 5-10 Big Board look like?
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Lil Uno
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My 1st Round Big Board:
1. Star Lotulelei-DT-Utah
2. Keenan Allen-WR-Cal
3. Manti Te'o-LB-Notre Dame
4. Sheldon Richardson-DT-Mizzou
5. Eric Reid-S-LSU
6. Justin Hunter-WR-Tennesee
7. Barrett Jones-OL-Alabama
8. Kawann Short-DT-Purdue
9. T.J. McDonald-S-USC
10. Robert Woods-WR-USC
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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1. Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah
2. Keenan Allen, WR, Cal
3. Justin Hunter, WR, Tennessee
4. Manti Te'o, LB, Notre Dame
5. Johnathan Hankins, DT, Ohio State
6. Eric Reid, S, LSU
7. Kawann Short, DT, Purdue
8. Kenny Vaccaro, S, Texas
9. T.J. McDonald, S, USC
10. Tony Jefferson, S, Oklahoma
11. Johnan Banks, CB, Mississippi State
12. John Jenkins, DT, Georgia
13. Chance Warmack, G, Alabama
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Sloppy28
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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My First Round Big Board as of Today:
#1A – Star Lotulelei - Utah
#1B – Johnathan Hankins - TOSU
#3 – *Keenan Allen - Cal
#4 – Manti Te'o - ND
#5A – *Eric Reid - LSU
#5B – *Justin Hunter - U Tennessee
#7 – *Xavier Rhodes - FState
#8 – Kawann Short - Purdue
#9 – *David Amerson - NCS (As a Free Safety)
#10 – Robert Woods – USC
#11A – Kenny Vaccaro - Texas
#11B – T.J. McDonald - USC
Haven't had a chance to evaluate OG's much yet this year so I left those off of my Big Board for now..
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AP_ALL_DAY_28
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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1st. Manti Te'o, LB, Notre Dame
2nd. Kenny Vaccaro, S, Texas
3rd. Da'Rick Rogers, WR, Tennessee Tech
4th. Kwame Geathers, DT, Georgia
3 impact players in the first three rounds.
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CriminalMind
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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1st Round
Johnathan Hankins
Star Lotulelei
Keenan Allen
Justin Hunter
Eric Reid - LSU
Xavier Rhodes - FS
Dee Milliner - Bama
Johnthan Banks - MS
Kawann Short
David Amerson
2nd Round
Cordarrelle Patterson
Tony Jefferson
Da'Rick Rogers
Kenny Vaccaro - Texas
Jesse Williams - Alabama
T.J. McDonald - USC
Nico Johnson - Alabama
Alexander Ogletree - Georgia
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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1. DT Johnathan Hankins - TOSU
2. DT Star Lotulelei - Utah
3. LB Manti Te'o - ND
4. DB Xavier Rhodes - FS
5. S Eric Reid - LSU
6. DT Kawann Short - Purdue
7. WR Justin Hunter - U Tennessee
8. WR Keenan Allen - Cal
9. CB Dee Milliner - Bama
10. S T.J. McDonald - USC
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Lil Uno
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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| [UMN] wrote: | 1. DT Johnathan Hankins - TOSU
2. DT Star Lotulelei - Utah
3. LB Manti Te'o - ND
4. DB Xavier Rhodes - FS
5. S Eric Reid - LSU
6. DT Kawann Short - Purdue
7. WR Justin Hunter - U Tennessee
8. WR Keenan Allen - Cal
9. CB Dee Milliner - Bama
10. S T.J. McDonald - USC |
Not a Keenan Allen fan?
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Sloppy28
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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| AP_ALL_DAY_28 wrote: | 1st. Manti Te'o, LB, Notre Dame
2nd. Kenny Vaccaro, S, Texas
3rd. Da'Rick Rogers, WR, Tennessee Tech
4th. Kwame Geathers, DT, Georgia
3 impact players in the first three rounds. |
If next years draft started like this; excellent job Rick. I am probably higher on Vaccaro than most, but this guy is versatile and can do multiple things, a lot like Harrison, and I would be excited to get him in the second round.
I think Da'Rick goes in the second, like Janoris Jenkins of last year. The kid is extremely talented, the question is, which coach will take a chance on him and be able to keep him out of trouble? So far, Fisher is doing a good job and looking like a genius with the Jenkins pick.
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