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Huddle


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 5:16 am    Post subject: Enjoy our future ! Reply with quote

I am very happy about our team. Ryan Tannehill is our QB fot the future maybe the Real Deal.

i am very happy about our coach very good guy.

I think this year we are goin 8-8 but with 1 Offseason i think next year we are in the playoffs for sure.

What you think about that realistic offseason :

Fix WR and CB in Free Agent.

WR - Dwane Bowe (he is perfect for us)
CB - I dont know

Draft:

1. FS Eric Reid ( i love this guy so much PLAYMAKER)

He possesses the ideal build and athleticism for the position, shows excellent instincts and is a scrappy, tenacious defender whose big hits and ball skills make him a legitimate weapon in the deep patrol.

2. DE Alex Okafor (he is the help for C. Wake and our secondary)

most impressive attribute is his power. Okafor can knock opponents onto their heels on his way to the quarterback and also sets the edge nicely as a run defender. Okafor's ability to make plays against the run and pass makes him arguably the most well-rounded senior defensive end in the country.

2. OG Jonathan Cooper

Cooper is a smooth, coordinated athlete with fluid footwork and outstanding balance, blocking well on the move and constantly getting to the second level. Cooper is an extremely effortless mover with explosive quickness in tight quarters.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will Middleton is a FA and is highly underrated, Jax didnt miss a beat when he came in as starter last term, highly rated on PFF if I remember. Could be worth a sniff
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kaiowas05 wrote:
Will Middleton is a FA and is highly underrated, Jax didnt miss a beat when he came in as starter last term, highly rated on PFF if I remember. Could be worth a sniff


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love you and your dreams. The only thing I wouldn't do is sink money into Dwayne Bowe. It's becoming clear to me that stars are not needed at WR in this offense. If they where we would have held onto Brandon Marshall.

Where I think we should focus our energy in the offseason aside from the great selection in OKafor is still the Offensive Line. 3 out of 5 of them are playing out of position. Ovaw8 pointed that out and used our inability to run screen plays as evidence. I really think Long is going to be allowed to walk and we will take a tackle early. Either a left tackle or move Martin over to the left and take a right tackle. Incognito is just bad energy and fit. He needs to go too. I'll put up with Jerry til' the following off season. If Egnew doesn't acclimate himself before seasons end TE is a huge priority. A solid TE can do wonders in this offense.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dolphinologist wrote:
I love you and your dreams. The only thing I wouldn't do is sink money into Dwayne Bowe. It's becoming clear to me that stars are not needed at WR in this offense. If they where we would have held onto Brandon Marshall.

Where I think we should focus our energy in the offseason aside from the great selection in OKafor is still the Offensive Line. 3 out of 5 of them are playing out of position. Ovaw8 pointed that out and used our inability to run screen plays as evidence. I really think Long is going to be allowed to walk and we will take a tackle early. Either a left tackle or move Martin over to the left and take a right tackle. Incognito is just bad energy and fit. He needs to go too. I'll put up with Jerry til' the following off season. If Egnew doesn't acclimate himself before seasons end TE is a huge priority. A solid TE can do wonders in this offense.



I really don't have a problem with that in terms of team-building and talent acquisition but there are serious flaws in the idea of doing it.

I'm just concerned that sliding Martin over to LT and putting a rookie beside him at LG as well as a rookie over at RT to fill his spot OR simply putting in 2 rookies at LT and LG would spell complete disaster for any NFL offense.

If we lose Jake Long then as far as I'm concerned we really have to replace him and put the whole idea of Guards on hold so that we don't have 1 side of the line being completely overwhelmed.

To me it sounds like you're dreaming. Sure it adds talent, but wouldn't it get Tannehill slaughtered in the process? You honestly think we can put 2 rookies in a line that will also feature a 2nd-year tackle in Martin?

The idea you're proposing says that on one side we have a rookie tackle, on the other we've got one fresh off his rookie year and then in addition we're going to put a rookie Guard next to one of them too.

Our O-line might develop in a few years but for the first 1 or 2 season we'd be a completely laughing stock. Each and every team we played would shut down our run and absolutely destroy Tannehill.

You need some continuity and experience, don't you think?


The reason that re-signing Jake Long is a good idea is that if we had Long, Pouncey and Martin anchoring our line for the next 2 seasons, we could during that time replace both the Guards we currently have. After each young guard was able to play in the NFL for a season or two we could investigate trading Jake Long who'd be maybe halfway through his contract but still of very significant value around the league.

Then, you're talking about solid production from the line for the next 2-3 seasons with Jake Long being maybe the worst lineman you have. To me, while it may be expensive is worth considering because you maintain your ability to run block effectively as well as the continuity and experience necessary to pass protect effectively enough.

Maybe 2 years down the road we trade away Jake Long and replace him with a 1st round Tackle BUT at least over that 2 years we're able to continue to develop as both an O-line and as an offense.

In this way we stick with Long and Martin as our tackles temporarily. We add a scheme-fitting Guard in 2013 as well as another in 2014 replacing Incognito and Jerry, respectively. 3 years down the road, while Jake Long is doing an adequate job pass protecting and a superior job run-blocking for us, we'll be able to trade him for desirable pick and address getting his replacement for the 2015 season. At that point, we'll be more developed as an offense.

Doing it that way sets you up to have an O-line that is perfectly constructed around the year 2015. You'll have Pouncey and Martin with plenty of experience. You'll have 2 young scheme-fitting Guards with a little bit of experience and finally a rookie, 1st round tackle replacing Long. Hopefully you will have been able to get something decent in trade for Jake Long, too!

While Jake Long won't be elite as a pass protector during this time, he'll be enough to give Tannehill and this offense something to develop behind. The temporary effects and too good not to appreciate here.

You will have given Tannehill a running game to help him between now and then. You'll give him ample pass protection. Maybe not the league's best but at least enough to survive and develop well as the Dolphins QB. You will have resigned and temporarily kept aboard a great leader in Jake Long. You'll have given yourself the ability to acquire a draft pick for Jake's leaving through a trade. Finally, you will have set yourself up to approach the next decade of your offensive production with fundamentally strong players and adequate time to develop and gel together.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Consider this phinmun. College teams have constant turn overs and it doesn't equate to QB's having broken necks.

Guess what team two of the top rated OT prospects played for? Just like it was easy for Henne to trust Long maybe Tanny will find it easy to trust them. It isn't impossible to fathom and I'm not a fan of letting Long walk under any condition.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dolphinologist wrote:
I love you and your dreams. The only thing I wouldn't do is sink money into Dwayne Bowe. It's becoming clear to me that stars are not needed at WR in this offense. If they where we would have held onto Brandon Marshall.

Where I think we should focus our energy in the offseason aside from the great selection in OKafor is still the Offensive Line. 3 out of 5 of them are playing out of position. Ovaw8 pointed that out and used our inability to run screen plays as evidence. I really think Long is going to be allowed to walk and we will take a tackle early. Either a left tackle or move Martin over to the left and take a right tackle. Incognito is just bad energy and fit. He needs to go too. I'll put up with Jerry til' the following off season. If Egnew doesn't acclimate himself before seasons end TE is a huge priority. A solid TE can do wonders in this offense.
Great post dolphinologist.

Let me add that not only do we not need a dominant "true #1" WR based on Philbin's style of offense, I can't find any evidence that those types of players were required for ANY recent Super Bowl winning offense. Factor in the cap hit of those players and the high propensity for diva attitudes, and the whole concept of pursuing the true #1 looks even worse.

O-line upgrade and TE are huge needs. I'll add that with Reggie Bush's age and Daniel Thomas' struggles, I think we're going to be drafting a middle round RB in 2013.

On defense, pass rushers and safety help look like the most pressing needs.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Regarding WR: if Gaffney can show he can be a solid contributor by season's end, I think what we have should be good enough to go into next year with. This offense doesn't need a clear #1 if you can get 3 #2's. I would add a highish draft pick with good measurables and upside (ie, to bring something different to the table) and be done. If Gaffney looks disposable, I'd be in favor of adding a top end free agent receiver to round out the group, and look later in the draft for another receiving prospect.

Regarding TE: 12 more games to figure out what we have. If things don't look significantly better by season's end, though, I would definitely look to upgrade this position.

Regarding OL: Long is a question mark. He has been disappointing, but again, it's 4 games in a new season. He could still turn it around. If he doesn't make massive improvements, though, I would look to replace him, as he wouldn't be a good fit at the money it would cost to retain him. Pouncey and Martin look solid going forward. Incognito needs to go. He's a bad fit for what we're doing. Assuming Long stays, I'd aim to sign a guard and draft one to push Jerry.

Regarding RB: resign Bush. He's got relatively fresh legs and is a difference maker. Lamar looks to have a ton of upside and should make for a good 1-2 punch. Thomas looks to be falling off, and I would expect him to be #3 or off the team unless something changes quickly.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes....the future looks bright, but we are still more then a year away and some positions are not going to be filled in the next off season. Each year the team will be better, but its not playoff caliber....too many holes to fill...you have to have those player build "continuity" (especially in the defensive back field)....

Where do the Phins need help? Everywhere

I only see a few areas that don't need addressing in the next few offseasons....QB, Center.....ummmmm I think that's it and I still would not be opposed to bringing in a center and moving Pouncy to guard.

What to do this offseason...

Draft BPA....whether it is CB, S, WR, G, T, DE....who ever is there in the first....get him...game changing talent is hard to acquire, so if you can draft a guy that can be that player....do it....pass on filling a need...
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