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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sean Peyton - Team is 0-4
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chargers:

GM - AJ Smith
HC - Norv Turner

Anything less than an AFC Championship appearance is a failure and will result in a riot outside of the front office headquarters in San Diego by angry fans.

And if they pull off one of those epic choke jobs they like to do like losing at home when you're 14-2/13-3 to inferior teams than you can kiss the fan support goodbye, they'll use that as a "See they hate us so lets move to L.A." thing watch.

This has the biggest implications of any team really. No AFC Championship/Superbowl = gtfo go to L.A.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sean Peyton - Team is 0-4

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If SP wasn't a good coach, this would've been the perfect time to fire him. He's elite and hopefully stays in NO for a very long time.
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baconrad3 wrote:
Marty Hurney for Carolina is probably the first GM that comes to mind for me.

He might be THE worst GM in all of football.

Basically he drafted Cam so everyone's like zomg he shouldn't be on the hot seat durp! But that's about the only good thing he's done in years.

Before that, he spent an offseason locking down the core of a 2-14 team. He shelled out a TON of money to not one but two players at one of the most dispensable positions in the league. They were 6-10 last year, are 1-3 this year and don't look like they will be even a .500 team this season.

The Panthers 2009 and 2010 drafts were TERRIBLE. Like, really really bad.

They didn't have a 1st rounder in either draft.

But they had two 2nd rounders in 2009...took Everette Brown (sucks) and Sherrod Martin...Martin is actually good...but that is about the only good pick in this draft. Corey Irvin, Mike Goodson, Tony Fiammetta, Duke Robinson, and Captain Munnerlyn are the rest of the picks

In 2010 he used their 2nd rounder on Jimmy Clausen (lol). Then Brandon Lafell in the 3rd. He has been decent...But nothing special. The Armanti Edwards again in the 3rd...then Eric Norwood, Greg Hardy, David Gettis, Tony Pike, RJ Stanford, and Robert McClain.

Those are two of the worst drafts I've seen.

Hurney needs to go.


are you bill barnwell's mother by any chance? because this is ridiculous. hurney isn't a great GM by any means but to say that the 09-10 drafts were "the worst" and that locking up the core of a 2-14 team... aka ryan kalil, jon beason, charles johnson, steve smith, etc... was stupid... well then i'd be interested in seeing how you'd handle the panthers personnel.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

powderblues wrote:
Chargers:

GM - AJ Smith
HC - Norv Turner

Anything less than an AFC Championship appearance is a failure and will result in a riot outside of the front office headquarters in San Diego by angry fans.

And if they pull off one of those epic choke jobs they like to do like losing at home when you're 14-2/13-3 to inferior teams than you can kiss the fan support goodbye, they'll use that as a "See they hate us so lets move to L.A." thing watch.

This has the biggest implications of any team really. No AFC Championship/Superbowl = gtfo go to L.A.


I was so confused when the Chargers hired Norv, and I'm even more confused that he's still the coach there.
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101stSaintsFan wrote:
Speaking of hot seat, what are you guy's thoughts on Lovie Smith?
62-12 when the Bears score 18+ points. Nuff said. Lovie has perennially overachieved w/ an inferior roster, now Emery has closed the talent gap and they are playing as well on D as they ever have. Offense is a work in progress, but things are starting to come together on that side of the Ball. Lovie is likely to reach his 100th win w/in the next 2 seasons.
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I don't know what to think about Ron Rivera but he reminds me a lot of Norv Turner. The team is inconsistent. We haven't made much improvements on the defensive side of the ball. The team is tackling worse than any team I've seen since the '08 Lions. But above everything else, he seems to lack a killer instinct as a head coach. It has nothing to do with the 4th and 1 play either. On the sidelines, he just shows zero emotion. I'm not saying he needs to explode like Coughlin but I think he's too soft and too conservative for a head coach. Hasn't been very good at managing the clock either. He just seems to be one of those guys who will be a better coordinator but hopefully I'm wrong. Admittedly it's too early to judge him yet, will depend on how we finish the season. But I'm skeptical.

However, I will say I don't think there is an issue with him keeping McD around because, as I said in another thread, I'm not completely sure yet he is the issue with the defense. The players have been in position to make plays but they just aren't making them, which tells me the defense just isn't all that talented - for example, the guys were right there in the backfield on Brown and Turner plenty of times in the respective games yet somehow they'd still pop through for a 7 or so yard gain. The only issue I have seen with him is that he becomes less and less aggressive as the game wears on.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

101stSaintsFan wrote:
Speaking of hot seat, what are you guy's thoughts on Lovie Smith?


I think he is fine. He is a defensive coach and defense has never been the issue with the Bears. The offense and talent-starved personnel on that side of the ball are what was holding that team back. With Jerry Angelo gone, a better offensive philosophy and a legit WR to throw to things should be better for that team in the short-term.
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Colt45fool wrote:
stchamp98 wrote:
green24 wrote:
stchamp98 wrote:
green24 wrote:
khodder wrote:
chris00cm wrote:
Mike Tannenbaum needs to go. The Jets arguably have the least talent in the league. It's a shame because the Jets were one of the best teams in the league a couple years ago. Now their destined for a top 10 pick and are a talent depleted team.


They have not assembled very little on offense via the draft, his first year was good (Mangold and Ferguson in the first round) but outside of that if you look at how things have gone via the draft on offense since Mike took over you will see;

2006 - Kellen Clemens (2nd), Brad Smith (4th), Leon Washington (4th), Jason Pociask (5th)
2007 - Chansi Stuckey (7th)
2008 - Dustin Keller (1st), Erik Ainge (5th), Marcus Henry (6th), Nate Garner (7th)
2009 - Mark Sanchez (1st), Shonn Greene (3rd)
2010 - Joe McKnight (4th), John Connor (5th)
2011 - Bilal Powell (4th), Jeremy Kerley (5th), Greg McElroy (7th), Scottie McKnight (7th)

It may be a bit early to judge the 11 class and they look to be getting some prodcution from Powell and Kerley, though not top quality porduction.

The other issue is that in 09-10 combined they had 7 draft selections.

If the Jets ever want to improve they need to be smarter about who and what they are adding in the draft and who and what they trade away their draft picks for.


Tannenbaum's first two drafts (2006 and 2007) were arguably the best in the NFL during their respective years. He was able to draft Nick Mangold, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Leon Washington, and Brad Smith in 2006 and Darrelle Revis and David Harris in 2007.


Leon Washington and Brad Smith are specialists players at the most. And neither are with the Jets today. So...


They were more than worth the pick when they were with the Jets.


But they're not with the Jets now, which is kind of the point. Unless drafting and developing players for other teams to use is what teams are going for nowadays, those were wasted picks.
The Jets couldn't afford the salaries either player wanted. You don't discredit pro bowl players because they changed teams, do you?

Drew Brees didn't finish his career in San Diego. He was clearly a terrible pick by the Chargers, right?


Brad Smith is hardly a Pro Bowl player and the contract he received from Buffalo, 4 years 15 million, is hardly an unaffordable number. So try that again.

LOL, ya.....Brees was a wasted pick for San Diego. You want to put a feather in the cap of San Diego for drafting and developing a player to win a Super Bowl for someone else, you go right on ahead. That sort of thing, thar's what bad teams do.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 2:11 pm    Post subject: Re: ! Reply with quote

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baconrad3 wrote:
Marty Hurney for Carolina is probably the first GM that comes to mind for me.

He might be THE worst GM in all of football.

Basically he drafted Cam so everyone's like zomg he shouldn't be on the hot seat durp! But that's about the only good thing he's done in years.

Before that, he spent an offseason locking down the core of a 2-14 team. He shelled out a TON of money to not one but two players at one of the most dispensable positions in the league. They were 6-10 last year, are 1-3 this year and don't look like they will be even a .500 team this season.

The Panthers 2009 and 2010 drafts were TERRIBLE. Like, really really bad.

They didn't have a 1st rounder in either draft.

But they had two 2nd rounders in 2009...took Everette Brown (sucks) and Sherrod Martin...Martin is actually good...but that is about the only good pick in this draft. Corey Irvin, Mike Goodson, Tony Fiammetta, Duke Robinson, and Captain Munnerlyn are the rest of the picks

In 2010 he used their 2nd rounder on Jimmy Clausen (lol). Then Brandon Lafell in the 3rd. He has been decent...But nothing special. The Armanti Edwards again in the 3rd...then Eric Norwood, Greg Hardy, David Gettis, Tony Pike, RJ Stanford, and Robert McClain.

Those are two of the worst drafts I've seen.

Hurney needs to go.


are you bill barnwell's mother by any chance? because this is ridiculous. hurney isn't a great GM by any means but to say that the 09-10 drafts were "the worst" and that locking up the core of a 2-14 team... aka ryan kalil, jon beason, charles johnson, steve smith, etc... was stupid... well then i'd be interested in seeing how you'd handle the panthers personnel.


No but thanks for asking.

Hurney is one of the worst GMs in the league. Sorry that he happens to be your favorite team's General Manager, but not everyone's teams can be perfect Wink

Also, looks like even Hurney himself agrees he's on the hot seat.

And so does the Panthers Owner, seeing as Hurney has no contract for next year

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/03/marty-hurney-say-he-has-no-contract-is-on-the-hot-seat/
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stchamp98 wrote:
Colt45fool wrote:
stchamp98 wrote:
green24 wrote:
stchamp98 wrote:
green24 wrote:
khodder wrote:
chris00cm wrote:
Mike Tannenbaum needs to go. The Jets arguably have the least talent in the league. It's a shame because the Jets were one of the best teams in the league a couple years ago. Now their destined for a top 10 pick and are a talent depleted team.


They have not assembled very little on offense via the draft, his first year was good (Mangold and Ferguson in the first round) but outside of that if you look at how things have gone via the draft on offense since Mike took over you will see;

2006 - Kellen Clemens (2nd), Brad Smith (4th), Leon Washington (4th), Jason Pociask (5th)
2007 - Chansi Stuckey (7th)
2008 - Dustin Keller (1st), Erik Ainge (5th), Marcus Henry (6th), Nate Garner (7th)
2009 - Mark Sanchez (1st), Shonn Greene (3rd)
2010 - Joe McKnight (4th), John Connor (5th)
2011 - Bilal Powell (4th), Jeremy Kerley (5th), Greg McElroy (7th), Scottie McKnight (7th)

It may be a bit early to judge the 11 class and they look to be getting some prodcution from Powell and Kerley, though not top quality porduction.

The other issue is that in 09-10 combined they had 7 draft selections.

If the Jets ever want to improve they need to be smarter about who and what they are adding in the draft and who and what they trade away their draft picks for.


Tannenbaum's first two drafts (2006 and 2007) were arguably the best in the NFL during their respective years. He was able to draft Nick Mangold, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Leon Washington, and Brad Smith in 2006 and Darrelle Revis and David Harris in 2007.


Leon Washington and Brad Smith are specialists players at the most. And neither are with the Jets today. So...


They were more than worth the pick when they were with the Jets.


But they're not with the Jets now, which is kind of the point. Unless drafting and developing players for other teams to use is what teams are going for nowadays, those were wasted picks.
The Jets couldn't afford the salaries either player wanted. You don't discredit pro bowl players because they changed teams, do you?

Drew Brees didn't finish his career in San Diego. He was clearly a terrible pick by the Chargers, right?


Brad Smith is hardly a Pro Bowl player and the contract he received from Buffalo, 4 years 15 million, is hardly an unaffordable number. So try that again.

LOL, ya.....Brees was a wasted pick for San Diego. You want to put a feather in the cap of San Diego for drafting and developing a player to win a Super Bowl for someone else, you go right on ahead. That sort of thing, thar's what bad teams do.


I mean, i think you're missing the poing to a degree. In the case of the Ravens, for example, Jason Brown and Ben Grubbs were good picks who played very well with the Ravens. They would have loved to have them on the team, but the realities of them being very good, starting O-linemen made it unrealistic for the club to retain them once their rookie deals expired. I don't think that they should be considered wasted picks, especially since they outproduced their rookie deals while here.
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An ice cream cone could draft better than Gene Smith.
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Another week, and i think everyone on the hotseat is still there, or at least should be.

You can also add the Bills to that hotseat category. May not be a team in more need of a rebuild than Buffalo. Definitely need a new HC and QB, and you don't lose the way you did in 2 consecutive weeks if you're a talented squad, so Nix should be in trouble too. That Mario Williams deal is also looking historically awful so far.
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