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Reginaldm9


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Reginaldm9 wrote:
If we wind up somewhere in the top 3, I would like to see the new ownership maneuver out of that pick into the early teens to grab the best DE/CB/FS available. This way, we stockpile picks and add more developmental pieces to our young team. Sometimes you've got to lose before you win.


Unless Bradford bites the big one and the Rams decide they want to trade both their 1sts and their 2nd to move up for a new QB Im not sure I want the Browns to trade down this year.

Draft an elite player and walk away smiling.


I'm thinking we get at least two firsts and a second for a pick that early from any team needing a QB. (The Chiefs are the first that come's to mind). Then, the new FO, which seems inevitable, will have more to play with in the top 100 than just an early one and three.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would like to spot light one DE I have found very intriging because of how similar he is to a past draftee of Tom Heckart. First here are the numbers of Trent Cole a small DE Tom Heckart drafted to Philadelphia who has since become one of the best in the league.

Trent Cole
6'2 1/4
236
4.70
38"
10'4"
4.22
6.98

So he was a relatively short DE and also very light for a DE and doesn't have super explosive numbers. The 4.7 and 38" vert are nice numbers but are not numbers the elite guys put up at the combine yet he has found a way to be very successful in the league.

Now for a prospect this year who plays similar with a similar build against similar compitition is Trevardo Williams of Connecticut.

Trevardo Williams
6'2
233
Rumored 4.3 speed

He has the same build with a rumored 4.3 forty time. I think he plays the in the Big East and Trent Cole was a CUSA member back then but a lot of the teams on the full schedule are the same level of compitition. When I watched Williams I was expecting a smallish guy with and explosion off the ball and speed to just run by the OT but the more I watched I saw him using his lack of height to his benifitt. He plays low with power and with explode into the OT forcing him back into running lanes. I was pleased to see him play the run just as well as rush the passer.

I'm not ready to make him a future pro bowler but so far from what I have seen he would be a great pick up in the middle of the draft just like Trent Cole was a great find for Philadelphia in the 5th round.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also tonight is a very good chance to get a look at Western Kentucky DE Quanterus Smith.

So far he has had 2 very explosive game one of which has come against the #1 team in the country.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wooooooow

The 4.3 speed really caught my eye. I need to see it to believe it.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Wooooooow

The 4.3 speed really caught my eye. I need to see it to believe it.


Yeah I've been hoping to catch him have to chase a play down from the backside to see if he really has great closing speed. He hasn't had to in the 2 game I have watched.

It would be cool to see obviously, but I have no real concern if he doesn't run a blazing fast 40 time. I want a DE to be able to get to the quarterback in less than 3 seconds thats all I care about.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KamTrus20 wrote:
Also tonight is a very good chance to get a look at Western Kentucky DE Quanterus Smith.

So far he has had 2 very explosive game one of which has come against the #1 team in the country.


Take notes for me I will be watching the A$$ kicking in Kentucky on a news channel.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KamTrus20 wrote:
candyman93 wrote:
Wooooooow

The 4.3 speed really caught my eye. I need to see it to believe it.


Yeah I've been hoping to catch him have to chase a play down from the backside to see if he really has great closing speed. He hasn't had to in the 2 game I have watched.

It would be cool to see obviously, but I have no real concern if he doesn't run a blazing fast 40 time. I want a DE to be able to get to the quarterback in less than 3 seconds thats all I care about.


I decided to check him out. Here's one youtube clip against NC state.

Check it out at 3:10 and at 4:00.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ue1om66B_HU
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How does everyone feel about Corey Lemonier?

The more I watch of all these other prospects, and what I've seen of him. I think he's a great fit for the Browns.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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How does everyone feel about Corey Lemonier?

The more I watch of all these other prospects, and what I've seen of him. I think he's a great fit for the Browns.


Sorry but he doesn't impress me.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trevardo Williams thoughts. Dude punches like a boxer. Very quick off the snap but does not have quick twitch muscles. His low pad level is his best trait.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

candyman93 wrote:
Trevardo Williams thoughts. Dude punches like a boxer. Very quick off the snap but does not have quick twitch muscles. His low pad level is his best trait.


Don't you need quick twitch to get off the ball fast? Jk jk Cool
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pnies20 wrote:
bulldog wrote:
How does everyone feel about Corey Lemonier?

The more I watch of all these other prospects, and what I've seen of him. I think he's a great fit for the Browns.


Sorry but he doesn't impress me.


I think he needs some technique work, but I think there are flashes of greatness in him. Given his undersized stature at the moment, I think he plays with good leverage in the run game as well.
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I've seen 2 or 3 times already when LSU gets pressure or in the backfield the camera automaticaly cuts to Barkevious Mingo. I'M TIRED OF IT!!! He hasn't done jack crap all year. He hasn't done jack crap all game. He is the 3rd best DE on his own team. He is the most overrated player preseason since Javon Snead.
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Updated DE Big Board.

I took a few more off my board such as Armonty Bryant who is dominanting D2 right now. Has over 15 TFL 10 Sacks 2 FF and 2 Block kicks, however, he was just arrested for selling marijuana during practice. I don't know about NFL GMs but that would be an ultimate deal breaker for me. Selling is one thing but practice is the teams time not your time.

1. #95 Bjourn Werner DE Florida State 6'4 255 Jr. 1st 7 Games 10.0 TFL 6.5 Sacks 1 FF
2. #99 Sam Montgomery DE LSU 6'5 260 Jr. 1st 7 Games 8.0 TFL 4.0 Sacks 1 SAF
3. #96 Dion Jordan DE Oregon 6'7 243 Sr. 1st 5 Games 5.0 TFL 3.0 Sacks 2 FF
4. #80 Alex Okafor DE Texas 6'4 265 Sr. 1st 5 Games 7.0 TFL 6.0 Sacks 2 FF 1 BLK
5. #94 Damontre Moore DE/LB Texas A&M 6'4 250 Jr. 1st-2nd 4 Games 15.0 TFL 8.5 Sacks 1 FF 1 BLK
6. #44 Jackson Jeffcoat DE Texas 6'5 245 Jr. 1st-2nd 5 Games 11.0 TFL 3.5 Sacks 2 FF
7. #55 Corey Lemonier DE/LB Auburn 6'4 246 Jr. 1st-2nd 6 Games 5.0 TFL 5.0 Sacks
8. #49 Barkevious Mingo DE/LB LSU 6'5 240 Jr. 1st-2nd 6 Games 3.0 TFL 2.0 Sacks
9. #2 William Gholston DE Michigan State 6'7 278 Jr. 2nd-3rd 7 Games 5.0 TFL 1.0 Sacks 1 FF
10. #91 Tank Carradine DE Florida State 6'5 265 Sr. 2nd-3rd 7 Games 8.0 TFL 7.0 Sacks 1 FF
11. #95 Kareem Martin DE North Carolina 6'6 260 Jr. 3rd 7 Games 10.0 TFL 2.0 Sacks
12. #95 Michael Buchanan DE Illinois 6'6 240 Sr. 3rd 6 Games 5.0 TFL 2.5 Sacks 1 INT 1 FF
13. #54 Walter Stewart DE Cincinnati 6'5 249 Sr. 3rd-4th 5 Games 7.0 TFL 4.0 Sacks 1 FF
14. #56 Dantone Jones DE UCLA 6'4 275 Sr. 3rd-4th 6 Games 10.0 TFL 3.0 Sack 1 FF 1 SAF
15. #98 Devin Taylor DE South Carolina 6'8 269 Sr. 4th 7 Games 4.0 TFL 1.5 Sacks
16. #47 Ezekiel Anasah DE BYU 6'6 270 Sr. 4th 7 Games 9.0 TFL 3.0 Sacks
17. #4 Brandon Jenkins DE/LB Florida State 6'3 260 Sr. 4th-5th Torn ACL
18. #93 Quanterus Smith DE Western Kentucky 6'5 249 Sr. 4th-5th 5 Games 9.5 TFL 6.5 Sacks
19. #54 John Simon DE Ohio State 6'2 269 Sr. 4th-5th 7 Games 8.5 TFL 3.0 Sacks
20. #89 Travis Long DE/LB Washington State 6'4 245 Sr. 4th-5th 7 Games 10.0 TFL 7.5 Sacks
21. #92 Margus Hunt DE Southern Methodist 6'8 280 Sr. 4th-5th 6 Games 4.0 TFL 3.0 Sacks 2 Blk
22. #91 David Bass DE Missouri Western 6'5 275 Sr. 5th 7 Games 6.5 TFL 6.0 Sacks
23. #89 Lavar Edwards DE LSU 6'5 258 Sr. 5th-6th 7 Games 6.0 TFL 3.5 Sacks 1 INT
24. #48 Trevado Williams DE/LB UCONN 6'2 233 Sr. 5th-6th 7 Games 9.0 TFL 7.5 Sacks 1 FF
25. #99 Joe Kruger DE Utah 6'7 280 Jr. 5th-6th 5 Games 3 TFL 2.5 Sack 1 INT 2 FF
26. #83 Cornellius Washington DE Georgia 6'4 268 Sr. 6th 5 Games 3.0 TFL 0.5 Sacks
27. #90 Stansly Mapongo DE TCU 6'2 265 Jr. 6th 6 Games 2.5 TFL 1.0 Sacks 1 FF
28. #43 Travis Johnson DE/LB San Jose St. 6'3 244 Sr. 6th-7th 6 Games 13.5 TFL 7.5 Sacks 1 FF
29. #43 Nathan Williams DE Ohio State 6'3 249 Sr. 7th 5 Games 1.5 TFL 1.0 Sacks 1 FF
30. #99 James Gayle DE Virginia Tech 6'4 269 Jr. 7th 6 Games 6.5 TFL 3.0 Sacks
31. #55 Adam Davis DE Kansas State 6'2 247 Sr. UDFA 6 Games 6.0 TFL 3.0 Sacks 3 FF
32. #7 Marquis Jackson DE Portland State 6'4 260 Sr. UDFA 6 Games 6.0 TFL 4.0 Sacks
33. #93 Cory Dorris DE Tulsa 6'4 260 Sr. UDFA 7 Games 5.5 TFL 2.0 Sacks
34. #42 Meshak Williams DE Kansas State 6'3 245 Sr. UDFA 6 Games 4.0 TFL 3.0 Sack 1 FF
35. #42 Devon Kennard DE USC 6'5 260 Sr. UDFA Torn Pectoral
36. #57 Brad Madison DE Missouri 6'4 260 Sr. UDFA 7 Games 5.5 TFL 3.0 Sacks
37. #84 Kenny Anunike DE Duke 6'5 260 Sr. UDFA 6 Games 6.5 TFL 5.0 Sacks 1 FF
38. #96 Wes Horton DE USC 6'5 255 Sr. UDFA 6 Games 3.0 TFL 3.0 Sacks
39. #95 D.L. Wilhite DE Minnesota 6'3 244 Sr. UDFA 6 Games 6.5 TFL 4.5 Sack 1 FF
40. #5 Willie Jefferson DE SFA 6'5 235 Sr. UDFA 6 Games 5.5 TFL 2.5 Sacks 2 FF
41. #97 Tourek Williams DE FIU 6'4 262 Sr. UDFA 7 Games 9.0 TFL 3.0 Sacks 2 FF
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

good stuff Kam
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