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Who is the better middle LB???
Brian Urlacher
25%
 25%  [ 5 ]
Ray Lewis
75%
 75%  [ 15 ]
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Bears54


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 3:41 pm    Post subject: WHAT!!! Reply with quote

How can you say the ravens defense of 2000 didnt have much talent or guys around Ray Lewis. If they didnt do much in the league else where it was because they played most of their career with the Ravens or they were on there way out when they left, or they came to the Ravens with just a couple of years left in the tank


Just to name a few

Jamie Sharper- LB (very good LB0
Peter Bowlware- OLB/DE (pro bowler)
Duane Starks- CB (Shutdown corner)
Sam Adams- DT (pro bowler)
Tony Sirgouisa- DT (Pro Bowler)
Keith Washington- DT (very good DT)
Rod Woodson- FS (hall of famer)
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 4:36 pm    Post subject: Re: WHAT!!! Reply with quote

Bears54 wrote:
How can you say the ravens defense of 2000 didnt have much talent or guys around Ray Lewis. If they didnt do much in the league else where it was because they played most of their career with the Ravens or they were on there way out when they left, or they came to the Ravens with just a couple of years left in the tank


Just to name a few

Jamie Sharper- LB (very good LB0
Peter Bowlware- OLB/DE (pro bowler)
Duane Starks- CB (Shutdown corner)
Sam Adams- DT (pro bowler)
Tony Sirgouisa- DT (Pro Bowler)
Keith Washington- DT (very good DT)
Rod Woodson- FS (hall of famer)


I think we all are agreeing here to some extent. My whole point was that it was guys on there way out or guys with only a year or 2 left in the tank. If you loaded a team with "guys on there way out" now, you wouldnt be excited about that defense.

As far as the guys who spent most of their career with the Ravens thats not an excuse. Its no coincidence. Same way so many people look good in the New England offense and do NOTHING when they change teams.

Even more recently in Indy, Joseph Addai and Edgerin James couldnt even be in the NFL w/o Manning.

That was the Ravens defense. Im not sure how esle to put it
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 5:58 pm    Post subject: Re: WHAT!!! Reply with quote

MonserinNC wrote:
Bears54 wrote:
How can you say the ravens defense of 2000 didnt have much talent or guys around Ray Lewis. If they didnt do much in the league else where it was because they played most of their career with the Ravens or they were on there way out when they left, or they came to the Ravens with just a couple of years left in the tank


Just to name a few

Jamie Sharper- LB (very good LB0
Peter Bowlware- OLB/DE (pro bowler)
Duane Starks- CB (Shutdown corner)
Sam Adams- DT (pro bowler)
Tony Sirgouisa- DT (Pro Bowler)
Keith Washington- DT (very good DT)
Rod Woodson- FS (hall of famer)


I think we all are agreeing here to some extent. My whole point was that it was guys on there way out or guys with only a year or 2 left in the tank. If you loaded a team with "guys on there way out" now, you wouldnt be excited about that defense.

As far as the guys who spent most of their career with the Ravens thats not an excuse. Its no coincidence. Same way so many people look good in the New England offense and do NOTHING when they change teams.

Even more recently in Indy, Joseph Addai and Edgerin James couldnt even be in the NFL w/o Manning.

That was the Ravens defense. Im not sure how esle to put it
Edge had a couple pretty decent years in AZ.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Urlacher has been somewhat misused durng his career. He's often times been used to take on Olinemen as opposed to having big bodies in front of him occupy the Oline and letting Urlacher roam. His lower stats are impacted by often times having him playing center field in the Cover Two. So while his drop into a deep zone (for a MLB) did not get a sack or tackle, it prevented the QB from throwing to that zone and a defensive stop was made elsewhere.

2001 and 2002. Traylor and Washington at DT in front of him.
208 tackles, 62 assisted tackles, 10.5 sacks, 4 Int.


2003, same def coord, but with Robinson and 'Empty Jersey' Boone at DT.
88 tackles, 28 assists, 2.5 sacks, 0 Int.

2004 Lovie and the Cover Two and it's deep drops for the MLB arrive.

Lovie used Urlacher's skill set to bolster the middle of the mid to deep zone drops which takes away stats from the MLB. If 54 would have been used in a defense which put big blocker eating DT's in front of him to allow Urlacher to room sideline to sideline to clean up plays, he'd most likely be around 100 tackles a season, instead of the low 80's like he is now.

Having said all that, I'd still go with Lewis, but not by much as he's been in a system designed around his skills and one that maximizes his tackle counts.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All time there's no question that Ray Ray is the better MLB of the two.

If you're asking who I would rather have though as the starting MLB of this Chicago defense at the peak of their careers it would undoubtedly be Uralcher as he fits the perfect mold of a Tampa-2 type MLB and is more athletic than Lewis is.
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