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Dark Knight


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 8:34 pm    Post subject: Solid draft, when it's all said and done.... Reply with quote

Overall....when the draft ended....i would have to say...i loved this Raiders draft! Liked them taking the athletic, quick and good recovery speedster Washington. I didn't like them reaching for Routte in the 2nd round though. But i see what they are thinking.....this is a passing league and they need guys who are fast and quick....Routte is big and fast. Loved the pick of Walter from ASU. Solid QB prospect who is big, strong, makes all the reads... and poised. Loved the pick of the Oakland native and SDSU product Morrison. It was a coup getting him at that position. I was personally hoping he would be there...and he was...nice. Team captain the passed two years and lead the defense in tackles the past two years as well. Then we took advantage of Hawthorne falling to us...which was a great pick....and then watch out for Riddle from Cal. Fast, aggresive pass rush and tackling specialist, who will help on special teams and may be moved to OLB. Maybe a bit to small to play as a full time DE in the 4-3. Plus we get Moss. Overall grade for me....a solid B+.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I disagree, I just dont think you can count getting randy moss as part of the draft. we traded the pick for him but we didnt draft him. If we dont make the trade we would have drafted Mike WIlliams. Houston is counting Buchannon as part of there draft and the Jets arent counting on Jolley as part of their draft. I think the draft gets a C but the Offseason gets an A
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kjherrm wrote:
I disagree, I just dont think you can count getting randy moss as part of the draft. we traded the pick for him but we didnt draft him. If we dont make the trade we would have drafted Mike WIlliams. Houston is counting Buchannon as part of there draft and the Jets arent counting on Jolley as part of their draft. I think the draft gets a C but the Offseason gets an A


C how do you figure??? Oh, because we may have reached for Routte in the 2nd round?? Your nuts....are you forgetting about Walters, Morrison then stealing Hawthorne late and picking another solid football in Riddel, who was one of cals best defenders, if not the best. Oh and um.....i like Mike Williams alot.....but i would rather have a proven commodity with a chip on his shoulder ie Randy Moss, the best WR in the game to be on our team right now...ahead of Williams....wouldn't you??
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have seen San Diego State quite a bit and Morrison is going to be a very good linebacker for wuite a long time. Getting him in the third round was a steal. He is always around the ball.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From Andrew Walter on down, this was a good draft. The CBs are simply Phillip Buchanon clones (except Routt's a bit taller). If you watch any film on these guys, you'll see that they are burners, but nothing more. Both are pansies in run support, and neither is willing to throw hands on a receiver at the line.

I'm sorry, fellas. Washington and Routt are not the second coming of Hayes and Haynes. I'm with kjherrm on this one: The draft is a C, maybe a B if Morrison and Hawthorne pan out like they could. The offseason is an A with Moss, Jordan, Burgess and the resigning of JP.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would rather have Randy Moss than Mike Williams but we didnt draft Moss. We traded for him. I love the Hawthorne pick. I thought we should have taken him in the third round I dont think that anyone thought that he would fall to the 6th. I havent seen much of Morrison so I can't say that hes gonna be good or bad.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Raiders had a decent draft. Let's be realistic. I'm sick of drafting 2 james jett type players every year!!! Just cuz they run a 4.2 doesn't mean crap!!! We sould've trade up to draft DE M.Spears not for a CB. We need guys that can put pressure on the QB 2 make our CB's better. The first two round's of the draft = C-/D After that a solid B+
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

boiseraider wrote:
From Andrew Walter on down, this was a good draft. The CBs are simply Phillip Buchanon clones (except Routt's a bit taller). If you watch any film on these guys, you'll see that they are burners, but nothing more. Both are pansies in run support, and neither is willing to throw hands on a receiver at the line.

I'm sorry, fellas. Washington and Routt are not the second coming of Hayes and Haynes. I'm with kjherrm on this one: The draft is a C, maybe a B if Morrison and Hawthorne pan out like they could. The offseason is an A with Moss, Jordan, Burgess and the resigning of JP.


i think Washington is going to be good....and your trying to tell me....Washington doesn't tackle? Then why would he be a starter on a Nebraska defense if he doesn't tackle??.....better look at his stats again i guess. By the way....it's all about recovery speed and coverage ability and depth. We needed that on a defense that was ranked near last in pass defense. So who should have we picked Mr Know it all??
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dark Knight wrote:
boiseraider wrote:
From Andrew Walter on down, this was a good draft. The CBs are simply Phillip Buchanon clones (except Routt's a bit taller). If you watch any film on these guys, you'll see that they are burners, but nothing more. Both are pansies in run support, and neither is willing to throw hands on a receiver at the line.

I'm sorry, fellas. Washington and Routt are not the second coming of Hayes and Haynes. I'm with kjherrm on this one: The draft is a C, maybe a B if Morrison and Hawthorne pan out like they could. The offseason is an A with Moss, Jordan, Burgess and the resigning of JP.


i think Washington is going to be good....and your trying to tell me....Washington doesn't tackle? Then why would he be a starter on a Nebraska defense if he doesn't tackle??.....better look at his stats again i guess. By the way....it's all about recovery speed and coverage ability and depth. We needed that on a defense that was ranked near last in pass defense. So who should have we picked Mr Know it all??


Calm down Dark Knight........we all have our opinions. I personally agree about the C grade. Washington is FAST......what else?? It's not like the teams Nebraska plays are passing teams. Wasn't his BEST year his Freshman year?? And his highlights?? Weren't they a lot of Washington getting burnt and him recovering??? Plus, they traded UP to get him when many people (myself included) thought he was dropping to them. Rounds 1-2 I give them a D at best, but they upgraded to a C with Walters and Hawthorne (if he stops with the dope). I sure hope Washington and Routt prove me wrong about the first 2 rounds.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EAST-BAY-RAIDER wrote:
The Raiders had a decent draft. Let's be realistic. I'm sick of drafting 2 james jett type players every year!!! Just cuz they run a 4.2 doesn't mean crap!!! We sould've trade up to draft DE M.Spears not for a CB. We need guys that can put pressure on the QB 2 make our CB's better. The first two round's of the draft = C-/D After that a solid B+


Oh....Washington made 97 solo tackles as a 3 year starter at Nebraska....so i think the guy can tackle.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MNBuff wrote:
Dark Knight wrote:
boiseraider wrote:
From Andrew Walter on down, this was a good draft. The CBs are simply Phillip Buchanon clones (except Routt's a bit taller). If you watch any film on these guys, you'll see that they are burners, but nothing more. Both are pansies in run support, and neither is willing to throw hands on a receiver at the line.

I'm sorry, fellas. Washington and Routt are not the second coming of Hayes and Haynes. I'm with kjherrm on this one: The draft is a C, maybe a B if Morrison and Hawthorne pan out like they could. The offseason is an A with Moss, Jordan, Burgess and the resigning of JP.


i think Washington is going to be good....and your trying to tell me....Washington doesn't tackle? Then why would he be a starter on a Nebraska defense if he doesn't tackle??.....better look at his stats again i guess. By the way....it's all about recovery speed and coverage ability and depth. We needed that on a defense that was ranked near last in pass defense. So who should have we picked Mr Know it all??


Calm down Dark Knight........we all have our opinions. I personally agree about the C grade. Washington is FAST......what else?? It's not like the teams Nebraska plays are passing teams. Wasn't his BEST year his Freshman year?? And his highlights?? Weren't they a lot of Washington getting burnt and him recovering??? Plus, they traded UP to get him when many people (myself included) thought he was dropping to them. Rounds 1-2 I give them a D at best, but they upgraded to a C with Walters and Hawthorne (if he stops with the dope). I sure hope Washington and Routt prove me wrong about the first 2 rounds.



Oh....Washington made 97 solo tackles as a 3 year starter at Nebraska....so i think the guy can tackle. Routte would have gone in round 2 anyhow....knowing how fast the CB' were being taken.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MNBuff wrote:
Dark Knight wrote:
boiseraider wrote:
From Andrew Walter on down, this was a good draft. The CBs are simply Phillip Buchanon clones (except Routt's a bit taller). If you watch any film on these guys, you'll see that they are burners, but nothing more. Both are pansies in run support, and neither is willing to throw hands on a receiver at the line.

I'm sorry, fellas. Washington and Routt are not the second coming of Hayes and Haynes. I'm with kjherrm on this one: The draft is a C, maybe a B if Morrison and Hawthorne pan out like they could. The offseason is an A with Moss, Jordan, Burgess and the resigning of JP.


i think Washington is going to be good....and your trying to tell me....Washington doesn't tackle? Then why would he be a starter on a Nebraska defense if he doesn't tackle??.....better look at his stats again i guess. By the way....it's all about recovery speed and coverage ability and depth. We needed that on a defense that was ranked near last in pass defense. So who should have we picked Mr Know it all??


Calm down Dark Knight........we all have our opinions. I personally agree about the C grade. Washington is FAST......what else?? It's not like the teams Nebraska plays are passing teams. Wasn't his BEST year his Freshman year?? And his highlights?? Weren't they a lot of Washington getting burnt and him recovering??? Plus, they traded UP to get him when many people (myself included) thought he was dropping to them. Rounds 1-2 I give them a D at best, but they upgraded to a C with Walters and Hawthorne (if he stops with the dope). I sure hope Washington and Routt prove me wrong about the first 2 rounds.


who knows why they traded to that spot...maybe Seattle was on the phone with another team or two....who knows....Oakland wanted to make sure they got him...and that they did.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MNBuff wrote:
Dark Knight wrote:
boiseraider wrote:
From Andrew Walter on down, this was a good draft. The CBs are simply Phillip Buchanon clones (except Routt's a bit taller). If you watch any film on these guys, you'll see that they are burners, but nothing more. Both are pansies in run support, and neither is willing to throw hands on a receiver at the line.

I'm sorry, fellas. Washington and Routt are not the second coming of Hayes and Haynes. I'm with kjherrm on this one: The draft is a C, maybe a B if Morrison and Hawthorne pan out like they could. The offseason is an A with Moss, Jordan, Burgess and the resigning of JP.


i think Washington is going to be good....and your trying to tell me....Washington doesn't tackle? Then why would he be a starter on a Nebraska defense if he doesn't tackle??.....better look at his stats again i guess. By the way....it's all about recovery speed and coverage ability and depth. We needed that on a defense that was ranked near last in pass defense. So who should have we picked Mr Know it all??


Calm down Dark Knight........we all have our opinions. I personally agree about the C grade. Washington is FAST......what else?? It's not like the teams Nebraska plays are passing teams. Wasn't his BEST year his Freshman year?? And his highlights?? Weren't they a lot of Washington getting burnt and him recovering??? Plus, they traded UP to get him when many people (myself included) thought he was dropping to them. Rounds 1-2 I give them a D at best, but they upgraded to a C with Walters and Hawthorne (if he stops with the dope). I sure hope Washington and Routt prove me wrong about the first 2 rounds.


wow.....they were ranked near the bottom in pass defense...and they take two solid CB's to help that situation....and they get a C?? Huh?? I think the Raiders did great work to get back in the 1st round...after the Moss trade. Big ups to them.....if we were New England....everyone one would be praising our moves.....haha unreal.....
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was pissed about the draft at first. But the more I think about it, it is growing on me.

Sporting News: "Washington is the more likely of the two to contribute this season. He's more polished and has sound technique. But he isn't strong against the run and struggles against big, strong receivers. "

This is great b/c how man big strong WRs are there (Moss, TO, Porter, Plaxico). Just quickly off the top of my head. So 2 are Raiders (Moss and Porter) plus let's not foget that we have Woodson who will cover team's #1 big WR. Washington should be more than capable of handling team's #2 WRs. Routt will play some special teams and some nickel. I like that we drafted 2 CBs. Hopefully this allows us to move Woodson around to make some big plays.

Additionally, I was not happy about passing DE Justin Tuck for Walters, but then from everything that I've read this kid is really good.

I love the Hawthorne and Morrison picks. And Riddle was an All American with 14.5 sacks. Although I wonder about his commitment to football after not playing after HS, he worked hard at a JUCO and the at CAL.

I think the Raiders should bite the bullet and lock up Woodson, free up some cap space and go after another LB.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2005 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with you man Washinton is Buchannon's replacement and hes good. With Routt though if he plays nickle then where does asoughma go. I just think it was dumb pick. Cause now we have 6 corners on the depth chart Woodson, Asoughma, Walker, Hill, Washington, and Routt. Walker will probably get released but now we have 5 corners that were all high picks. It was a good move for the future but not for the present.
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