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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So after watching last nights Raiders v Chargers game, Im content with Weeks taking up a roster sport as our LS.

That was horrible and the reason the raiders lost the game.


Yep. Long snapper has long been an annoyance for me as a waste of a roster spot and salary (aside from the fact Jonny Weeks the lone Baylor Texan I get to root for) as it's been about a decade since Trey Junkin's bad snaps cost the Giants a playoff game and made LS a specialist on almost every team. I can't think of but a few instances of bad snaps costing games, but I guess that's because teams all have specialists who make $400k to NOT get noticed. Bad o-lineman and Tight End rejects everywhere who have found new life hiking a ball 6-7 times a game need to now mail Travis Goethel (and Raiders coach Allen) a hefty Xmas card because that one game just ensured another decade of employment for long snappers.

FWIW - I hope this also prompted Kubiak/Marciano to get Casey and Clutts a few extra hours of work long snapping this week as no team should ever be in the position the Raiders were. It's also a reminder how nuts keeping only 2 qbs on the roster was for us during the Sage years and how lucky we were to never have had Owen Daniels lining up as QB last year (he was one hard hit on TJ Yates away from it last year when Lienart went down).
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Not sure where to put this.

Can a Texans fan give me an opinnion on Antoine Caldwell? What are the odds you resign him?


Caldwell has been a disappointment over his career. He's been here long enough and has enough playing time that he's had to opportunity to get better. The drafting of Brooks in the 3rd round should have been a slap in the face wake up call to Caldwell but it doesn't seem to have worked. I think this is Caldwells last year in a Texans uniform and Brooks replaces him in 2013.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lumberjackchris wrote:
So after watching last nights Raiders v Chargers game, Im content with Weeks taking up a roster sport as our LS.

That was horrible and the reason the raiders lost the game.


Someone feel free to correct me or set me straight here but why not use our backup Center Ben Jones as our LS and free up a roster spot. He's already on the roster, he should know how to snap the ball and if not he can learn, and it would get him a little playing time. With the new defensive alignment rules on kicks and punts about not letting the D-line line over the top of the Center and kill him, injuries should have gone down so the risk to Jones is lessened.
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Wolf6151 wrote:
lumberjackchris wrote:
So after watching last nights Raiders v Chargers game, Im content with Weeks taking up a roster sport as our LS.

That was horrible and the reason the raiders lost the game.


Someone feel free to correct me or set me straight here but why not use our backup Center Ben Jones as our LS and free up a roster spot. He's already on the roster, he should know how to snap the ball and if not he can learn, and it would get him a little playing time. With the new defensive alignment rules on kicks and punts about not letting the D-line line over the top of the Center and kill him, injuries should have gone down so the risk to Jones is lessened.


I think the league should cut the crap and offer a three-specialist roster exemption. It's ridiculous that a punter, kicker, and long snapper take up roster spots.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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lumberjackchris wrote:
So after watching last nights Raiders v Chargers game, Im content with Weeks taking up a roster sport as our LS.

That was horrible and the reason the raiders lost the game.


Someone feel free to correct me or set me straight here but why not use our backup Center Ben Jones as our LS and free up a roster spot. He's already on the roster, he should know how to snap the ball and if not he can learn, and it would get him a little playing time. With the new defensive alignment rules on kicks and punts about not letting the D-line line over the top of the Center and kill him, injuries should have gone down so the risk to Jones is lessened.


I would have been with you before watching the Raiders game which was clearly lost when their backup long snapper showed just how hard that job is and that it will cost you a game. It is very rare when a non QB can be pointed to as the reason for a loss, but that poor dude basically caused 3 turnovers. Clearly this is not a skill you can consistently do well enough without practicing it full-time, not just some token snaps at the end of practice. I'm no authority on the matter, but generally Centers make poor long snappers because they are rarely athletic enough to get low for deep snaps and then get downfield for coverage. Most long snappers are former tight ends. It's a bit like the demise of the punter/kicker. The leg is the same but the job requires precision that can't be achieved while splitting practice time. Don't discount the complexity of the blocking schemes in the ZBS and time taken away from practicing center and guard would retard his development. Hell it took Caldwell 4 years to learn it.
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Jets signed RB Jonathan Grimes off the Texans' practice squad.
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Jets signed RB Jonathan Grimes off the Texans' practice squad.


Pretty sad for them. I remember getting into it on their forum a few years ago about how they would miss Thomas Jones more than they could imagine and that they were reading way too much into 2 great playoff games from Shonn Green against the Bengals and Chargers beat up run d. The claimed to sport an unstoppable ground and pound force with over-the-hill LT, and stumble-into-the-hill Joe McKnight who they dubbed the steal of the draft and proceeded to hand Danny Woodhead to the Pats who put up nearly 1,000 yards from scrimmage that year and Leon Washington who returned 3 kickoffs for TDs which was more tds than Green rushed for. Think it's time to revisit the "genius" of Mike Tannenbaum and Rex Ryan who have done nothing but sabotage their incomplete teams that got hot at the right time two years in a row after backing into playoff spots. This might as well be Cowboys East at this point as a team more concerned with making headlines with splashy moves and names than boring moves and draft picks that win football games. This ego driven house of cards is about to fall apart fast and as much as I like him, Jonathan Grimes, isn't fixing anything anymore than Chris Ogbonnaya did for the Browns last year. Now I would be willing to trade them Alan Ball to help them through their CB crisis and I'll throw in Shiloh Keo as a chaser since they like hard hitting safeties who can't cover.
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As for the Texans, it will be interesting to see who we plug into the PS as I think we always want an RB in the hopper. Davin Meggett was the only other RB in camp and I don't see him offering much as he was just a special teams body behind Martin and ultimately Holliday. I was thinking Javarris Williams, but he's on the Redskins PS. I wish Terence Ganaway was still out there, but the Rams scooped him up. Was thinking Cyrus Gray, but he made the Chiefs roster behind Charles and Hillis.

Tauren Poole was a decent back from Tenn where we had a bit of success with a player who underwhelmed as senior on a bad team. Carolina IR-stashed him with a bs rib injury, but it wouldn't be unprecedented for an injury settlement to be reached for his release if he had a chance to play (we did it for Kris Brown). I'm reaching now, but Fozzy Whitaker from UT had potential before he tore his ACL/MCL late last year, but maybe it's been long enough that he's ready for a return. CSU's Raymond Carter is another option who could be plug and play and his measurables are nice at 4.44-4.48 at 217 lbs, but he only put up 584 yards last year. It's our last chance at the CSU factory as they finally ditched the ZBS after a 3rd straight 3 win season and 3 conference wins in 3 years in the laughable Mountain West.
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Apollo Stallion wrote:
jch1911 wrote:
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Jets signed RB Jonathan Grimes off the Texans' practice squad.


Pretty sad for them. I remember getting into it on their forum a few years ago about how they would miss Thomas Jones more than they could imagine and that they were reading way too much into 2 great playoff games from Shonn Green against the Bengals and Chargers beat up run d. The claimed to sport an unstoppable ground and pound force with over-the-hill LT, and stumble-into-the-hill Joe McKnight who they dubbed the steal of the draft and proceeded to hand Danny Woodhead to the Pats who put up nearly 1,000 yards from scrimmage that year and Leon Washington who returned 3 kickoffs for TDs which was more tds than Green rushed for. Think it's time to revisit the "genius" of Mike Tannenbaum and Rex Ryan who have done nothing but sabotage their incomplete teams that got hot at the right time two years in a row after backing into playoff spots. This might as well be Cowboys East at this point as a team more concerned with making headlines with splashy moves and names than boring moves and draft picks that win football games. This ego driven house of cards is about to fall apart fast and as much as I like him, Jonathan Grimes, isn't fixing anything anymore than Chris Ogbonnaya did for the Browns last year. Now I would be willing to trade them Alan Ball to help them through their CB crisis and I'll throw in Shiloh Keo as a chaser since they like hard hitting safeties who can't cover.


Shonn Greene should have been a very good back. It's his lack of work ethic that has held him back.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apollo Stallion wrote:
Wolf6151 wrote:
lumberjackchris wrote:
So after watching last nights Raiders v Chargers game, Im content with Weeks taking up a roster sport as our LS.

That was horrible and the reason the raiders lost the game.


Someone feel free to correct me or set me straight here but why not use our backup Center Ben Jones as our LS and free up a roster spot. He's already on the roster, he should know how to snap the ball and if not he can learn, and it would get him a little playing time. With the new defensive alignment rules on kicks and punts about not letting the D-line line over the top of the Center and kill him, injuries should have gone down so the risk to Jones is lessened.


I would have been with you before watching the Raiders game which was clearly lost when their backup long snapper showed just how hard that job is and that it will cost you a game. It is very rare when a non QB can be pointed to as the reason for a loss, but that poor dude basically caused 3 turnovers. Clearly this is not a skill you can consistently do well enough without practicing it full-time, not just some token snaps at the end of practice. I'm no authority on the matter, but generally Centers make poor long snappers because they are rarely athletic enough to get low for deep snaps and then get downfield for coverage. Most long snappers are former tight ends. It's a bit like the demise of the punter/kicker. The leg is the same but the job requires precision that can't be achieved while splitting practice time. Don't discount the complexity of the blocking schemes in the ZBS and time taken away from practicing center and guard would retard his development. Hell it took Caldwell 4 years to learn it.


Apollo got it. Having a center at long snapper would be a liability in punt coverage. There's a reason you don't see linemen on punt teams in the NFL or in college, except maybe a few big guys playing personal protector on the shield.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We worked out someone yesterday, but I cant seem to find it anywhere.
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We have officialy brought back Meggett and placed him on the PS
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We have officialy brought back Meggett and placed him on the PS


Given that Jonathan Grimes is now a Jet, makes sense.

On that note - think Sexy Rexy is doing his part with Grimes to give up information on the Texans offense?
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lumberjackchris wrote:
We have officialy brought back Meggett and placed him on the PS


Given that Jonathan Grimes is now a Jet, makes sense.

On that note - think Sexy Rexy is doing his part with Grimes to give up information on the Texans offense?


Its not like our running game or offense is a big secret. I just think we're head and shoulders above the Jets anywaus plus they need rb's cause Greenes adequate but Mcknight is a guy who never came close to his potential.
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...but Mcknight is a guy who never came close to his potential.

As an FYI, they are trying McKnight at CB - a position he last played in HS
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