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REDandPEWTER
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| bucsfan333 wrote: | | Is our offense effective in practice? Serious question. Does it work during the week? Is that why we do what we do on Sundays? |
Idk. But I think Schiano gets in Sullivans ear. But there are a lot of things we don't know behind the doors at 1 Buc Place. |
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Calibucsfan
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| Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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| bucsfan333 wrote: | | Calibucsfan wrote: | | bucsfan333 wrote: | At least we're not New Orleans.  |
wow we are 1-2 instead of 0-3...what HUGE difference  |
Half you guys aren't any fun to talk football with. |
Oh..my bad. I will talk more about that magical offense I heard about last week that can go toe to toe with anybody in the league...is that better?
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ravishingone
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I like the I formation with a FB. However, I think with this team it needs to be a supplement in the gameplan, not the mainstay. Outside of Nicks, the o-line isn't moving guys out. I don't think abandoning the run should be done, but spread the field with multiple WRs.
On the flip side, holy crap is the front 7 going to be awesome for a long-time if they can stay healthy. Okay, the front six, I won't include Black.  |
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REDandPEWTER
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| Calibucsfan wrote: | | bucsfan333 wrote: | | Calibucsfan wrote: | | bucsfan333 wrote: | | At least we're not New Orleans. |
wow we are 1-2 instead of 0-3...what HUGE difference |
Half you guys aren't any fun to talk football with. |
Oh..my bad. I will talk more about that magical offense I heard about last week that can go toe to toe with anybody in the league...is that better? |
Yeah. Last year, I kept hearing how Olson was terrible for Freeman. Now this year it's again not his fault. I think there's a reason they don't take the chain of Freeman. |
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REDandPEWTER
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| ravishingone wrote: | I like the I formation with a FB. However, I think with this team it needs to be a supplement in the gameplan, not the mainstay. Outside of Nicks, the o-line isn't moving guys out. I don't think abandoning the run should be done, but spread the field with multiple WRs.
On the flip side, holy crap is the front 7 going to be awesome for a long-time if they can stay healthy. Okay, the front six, I won't include Black. |
If you can't scare anyone in the passing game, running the ball won't work either. |
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RoeKG
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| Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| REDandPEWTER wrote: | | bucsfan333 wrote: | | Is our offense effective in practice? Serious question. Does it work during the week? Is that why we do what we do on Sundays? |
Idk. But I think Schiano gets in Sullivans ear. But there are a lot of things we don't know behind the doors at 1 Buc Place. |
Well Schiano said we would do better with the defensive playcalling and I think we did. Hopefully they adjust the playcalls on offense.... like, all of them... and come back better next week. The Skins have a solid offense next week, so we'll need to be able to score points. |
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ravishingone
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| REDandPEWTER wrote: | | ravishingone wrote: | I like the I formation with a FB. However, I think with this team it needs to be a supplement in the gameplan, not the mainstay. Outside of Nicks, the o-line isn't moving guys out. I don't think abandoning the run should be done, but spread the field with multiple WRs.
On the flip side, holy crap is the front 7 going to be awesome for a long-time if they can stay healthy. Okay, the front six, I won't include Black. |
If you can't scare anyone in the passing game, running the ball won't work either. |
My basic point is trying to keep everyone tight near the line of scrimmage is creating no running lanes. I'm not making excuses for Freeman, but maybe it is time to look at what he has done well in his career and tailor and offense around it as a foundation. I think it would be smart to maybe see more shot gun as opposed to running under center most of the game. I'm looking for answers and not making excuses for Freeman. I have zero interest in seeing Orlovksy. |
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REDandPEWTER
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| ravishingone wrote: | | REDandPEWTER wrote: | | ravishingone wrote: | I like the I formation with a FB. However, I think with this team it needs to be a supplement in the gameplan, not the mainstay. Outside of Nicks, the o-line isn't moving guys out. I don't think abandoning the run should be done, but spread the field with multiple WRs.
On the flip side, holy crap is the front 7 going to be awesome for a long-time if they can stay healthy. Okay, the front six, I won't include Black. |
If you can't scare anyone in the passing game, running the ball won't work either. |
My basic point is trying to keep everyone tight near the line of scrimmage is creating no running lanes. I'm not making excuses for Freeman, but maybe it is time to look at what he has done well in his career and tailor and offense around it as a foundation. I think it would be smart to maybe see more shot gun as opposed to running under center most of the game. I'm looking for answers and not making excuses for Freeman. I have zero interest in seeing Orlovksy. |
Me neither. But watching that Freeman performance, makes you wonder how much worse Orlovsky would have been? |
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ravishingone
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| REDandPEWTER wrote: | | ravishingone wrote: | | REDandPEWTER wrote: | | ravishingone wrote: | I like the I formation with a FB. However, I think with this team it needs to be a supplement in the gameplan, not the mainstay. Outside of Nicks, the o-line isn't moving guys out. I don't think abandoning the run should be done, but spread the field with multiple WRs.
On the flip side, holy crap is the front 7 going to be awesome for a long-time if they can stay healthy. Okay, the front six, I won't include Black. |
If you can't scare anyone in the passing game, running the ball won't work either. |
My basic point is trying to keep everyone tight near the line of scrimmage is creating no running lanes. I'm not making excuses for Freeman, but maybe it is time to look at what he has done well in his career and tailor and offense around it as a foundation. I think it would be smart to maybe see more shot gun as opposed to running under center most of the game. I'm looking for answers and not making excuses for Freeman. I have zero interest in seeing Orlovksy. |
Me neither. But watching that Freeman performance, makes you wonder how much worse Orlovsky would have been? |
Freeman missed throws today no doubt. I just would like to see a change in philosophy to tailor to players' strengths on that side of the ball. I thought I saw some great changes on the defensive side of the ball with Sheridan. Letting the d-line rush more often as opposed to exotic blitzes and twists. I want to see Sullivan make similiar changes on offense. More spread formation and less 2TE and 1 WR sets.
No doubt Freeman missed throws. |
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bucsfan333
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We're only giving up 48 yards per game on the ground at 2.1 yards per carry. Not bad.
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REDandPEWTER
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| ravishingone wrote: | | REDandPEWTER wrote: | | ravishingone wrote: | | REDandPEWTER wrote: | | ravishingone wrote: | I like the I formation with a FB. However, I think with this team it needs to be a supplement in the gameplan, not the mainstay. Outside of Nicks, the o-line isn't moving guys out. I don't think abandoning the run should be done, but spread the field with multiple WRs.
On the flip side, holy crap is the front 7 going to be awesome for a long-time if they can stay healthy. Okay, the front six, I won't include Black. |
If you can't scare anyone in the passing game, running the ball won't work either. |
My basic point is trying to keep everyone tight near the line of scrimmage is creating no running lanes. I'm not making excuses for Freeman, but maybe it is time to look at what he has done well in his career and tailor and offense around it as a foundation. I think it would be smart to maybe see more shot gun as opposed to running under center most of the game. I'm looking for answers and not making excuses for Freeman. I have zero interest in seeing Orlovksy. |
Me neither. But watching that Freeman performance, makes you wonder how much worse Orlovsky would have been? |
Freeman missed throws today no doubt. I just would like to see a change in philosophy to tailor to players' strengths on that side of the ball. I thought I saw some great changes on the defensive side of the ball with Sheridan. Letting the d-line rush more often as opposed to exotic blitzes and twists. I want to see Sullivan make similiar changes on offense. More spread formation and less 2TE and 1 WR sets.
No doubt Freeman missed throws. |
Opening up the offense will not fix Freeman's current problem that he's ALWAYS Had. Locking onto one guy and holding the ball til he gets open. That hasn't changed in 4 years and quite frankly, I don't think it will.
It makes you wonder, you hear how he's a Film rat, yet he hasn';t improved? |
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canadabuccaneer
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| Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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| REDandPEWTER wrote: | | Calibucsfan wrote: | | bucsfan333 wrote: | | Calibucsfan wrote: | | bucsfan333 wrote: | | At least we're not New Orleans. |
wow we are 1-2 instead of 0-3...what HUGE difference |
Half you guys aren't any fun to talk football with. |
Oh..my bad. I will talk more about that magical offense I heard about last week that can go toe to toe with anybody in the league...is that better? |
Yeah. Last year, I kept hearing how Olson was terrible for Freeman. Now this year it's again not his fault. I think there's a reason they don't take the chain of Freeman. |
Take Freeman out of this for ONE second and you can't argue that our offensive play calling is for lack of a better term offensive the past few seasons.
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Calibucsfan
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I still cant get over how bad our CB's are.....they cannot make any plays when the ball is thrown...
Only thing I can think of is we do matchup well against the skins...but then again we will end up loosing if this magical offense struggles to get 100 yards for the game
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USFTAMPABAY20
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| Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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3 receivers who havent played a down this season were active for us. Play calling was terrible and extremely predictable but it is way too early to mail it in under sullivan. doesnt anybody remember last year we werent even competitive?
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5nick5
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I wonder if Freeman got hit in the head before the season and got amnesia and forgot that extending the play is an option. He slimmed down so he could be more elusive, but he's just been a sitting duck so far this season.
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