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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This was a pretty fun read...
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imani wrote:
This was a pretty fun read...


The fat lady will be singing either way soon on who will start week 1. Atleast Wilson showed it will be ok to send tjax packing.
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This move confused me...

We already have 2 mobile QB's on the roster AND a franchise (potential) QB...WHY????


Potential key word. T-jack has one more year on deal and we owe him 4 Mil...he is gone. Wilson is a winner...bring him in to push Flynn, and if Flynn doesnt work out, we have a legit backup.


Liked it too...was still surprised but not upset by the pick at all.
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Shazor was the guy most in favor.
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At least pick a player that has a chance, to be a good starting player. I hate Nick Foles, but I would have taken him 7 days a week, over Wilson, because at least he meets the minimum height requirement that it takes, to even have a shot at succeeding in the NFL. Wilson's lack of height, means he has no chance. I guarantee he'll never be a good franchise QB. In fact, I'm so sure, that if he does, I'll leave the board and I'll never post again. Mad


Hmmmm.... Laughing

Not saying hes a franchise QB.. but still...
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At least pick a player that has a chance, to be a good starting player. I hate Nick Foles, but I would have taken him 7 days a week, over Wilson, because at least he meets the minimum height requirement that it takes, to even have a shot at succeeding in the NFL. Wilson's lack of height, means he has no chance. I guarantee he'll never be a good franchise QB. In fact, I'm so sure, that if he does, I'll leave the board and I'll never post again. Mad


Hmmmm.... Laughing

Not saying hes a franchise QB.. but still...


wonder if he will actually leave this site like he says he will Laughing
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I came across an interesting article recently which compared Luck to Wilson:

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Ranking the QB prospects by adjusted college QBER

On this blog, I judge Quarterback performance using a formula I call Quarterback Efficiency Rating (“QBER”). Quarterback efficiency rating calculates the number of net forward yards produced by the quarterback for every “non-productive” play (sack or incompletion). Last season in the National Football League only one team (Baltimore Ravens) made the playoffs without having a quarterback whose QBER was above the NFL average. So efficient quarterback play meshes with winning, especially in this era of the forward pass.

Wilson vs. the Field vs. the Common Opponents

There are common opponents between Wilson and five of the other QB prospects. Two opponents common to 4 of the prospects (Wilson, Luck, Nick Foles of Arizona, and Brock Osweiler of Arizona State) are Oregon and Oregon State. One opponent common to both Wilson and Boise State QB Kellen Moore was UNLV. And, of course, Wilson and Michigan State’s QB Kirk Cousins shared four common opponents in the expanded Big Ten. As you can see below, in each scenario, Wilson wayyyyy outperforms every one of his rivals.

QBER: Wilson vs. Andrew Luck, Nick Foles, and Brock Osweiler (common: Oregon and Oregon State)

1. Russell Wilson…..31.01

2. Nick Foles…..14.85

3. Andrew Luck…..14.51

4. Brock Osweiler….9.16

QBER: Wilson v. Kellen Moore (common opponent: UNLV)

1. Russell Wilson….61.81

2. Kellen Moore, Boise St…..16.07

QBER: Wilson v. Kirk Cousins (common opponents: Nebraska, Indiana, Ohio State, and Minnesota)

1. Russell Wilson…..24.86

2. Kirk Cousins…..15.31

Wilson way out front against all common opponents

As you can see, Russell Wilson outdid all of against common opponents, and most of the numbers are not even close. Most impressively in my mind, Wilson well outdid Luck and the other Pac 12 draft prospects against the mighty Oregon Ducks, an opponent that had over a month to view tape on Wilson and prepare itself to stymie Wilson’s attack in the 2012 Rose Bowl. Yet he excelled in that game. The Ducks never laid a glove on him all day long. Wilson and Monte Ball combined to keep Wisconsin in the game on a day when the Wisconsin defense was giving up long touchdown plays left, right, and center (literally).

In the Rose Bowl game, Wilson put on a performance that will never be forgotten by Badger football fans. With the bright lights shining on him, Wilson was simply brilliant. He posted a QBER of 30.44, which was +19.81 better than the Ducks extremely aggressive pass defense had been allowing to that point. Wilson made one mistake all day, an interception, and it probably cost Wisconsin the game. But somehow, even with that mistake, Wilson nearly succeeded. Wilson, in pure Roger Staubach fashion, almost pulled off a miraculous 70 yard, 18 second drive that would have led the Badgers to the winning score, and would have made him immortal. But Coach Bret Bielema’s idiotic game management cost him the precious two seconds he needed to completely work his magic. Thus, the clock ran out as he tried to spike the ball to give himself one last shot at the end zone, a play that many in Badger Nation, myself included, are almost certain would have ended with a touchdown.

By contrast, Andrew Luck had one of his worst games against Oregon. The unlucky Luck posted a pretty feeble 9.53, in a Stanford loss that basically crippled Stanford’s shot at a national championship. Luck’s performance was below the Oregon passing defense’s average, so the best prospect since Elway did not distinguish himself in that game. The second best performance against the Ducks defense was posted by Arizona’s Nick Foles with a QBER of 11.07. Still, that was nowhere near what Wilson did. Wilson basically lapped the Pac 12 field twice.

Wilson did the same to Kellen Moore, the Boise State quarterback, versus their common opponent, UNLV. Yes, UNLV sucked, but Wilson abused them to a degree that was much worse than any abuse Moore was able to inflict against the same defense.

Finally, in the Big Ten matchups, Wilson outdid his counterpart Cousins. In fact, Wilson outdid every one of his fellow prospects in EVERY ONE of the games played against common opponents except one. Against the Indiana Hoosiers, Kirk Cousins posted a QBER of 29.61, whereas Wilson, in a blowout, posted “only” a 19.45.

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Reading my thoughts from earlier in this thread, I come across better than I usually do when "I told you so" type threads are bumped to the top. So of course this would be in the Seahawks forum rather than the one I actually moderate. Laughing
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hawksman81 wrote:
TheOsprey wrote:
At least pick a player that has a chance, to be a good starting player. I hate Nick Foles, but I would have taken him 7 days a week, over Wilson, because at least he meets the minimum height requirement that it takes, to even have a shot at succeeding in the NFL. Wilson's lack of height, means he has no chance. I guarantee he'll never be a good franchise QB. In fact, I'm so sure, that if he does, I'll leave the board and I'll never post again. Mad


Hmmmm.... Laughing

Not saying hes a franchise QB.. but still...


So I guess that come next april, we know not to trust TheOsprey with anything he says about QBs. Foles is lighting it up for philly Laughing
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chpjns15 wrote:
hawksman81 wrote:
TheOsprey wrote:
At least pick a player that has a chance, to be a good starting player. I hate Nick Foles, but I would have taken him 7 days a week, over Wilson, because at least he meets the minimum height requirement that it takes, to even have a shot at succeeding in the NFL. Wilson's lack of height, means he has no chance. I guarantee he'll never be a good franchise QB. In fact, I'm so sure, that if he does, I'll leave the board and I'll never post again. Mad


Hmmmm.... Laughing

Not saying hes a franchise QB.. but still...


So I guess that come next april, we know not to trust TheOsprey with anything he says about QBs. Foles is lighting it up for philly Laughing


To be fair Foles didn't really look that good playing in College his final year.
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chpjns15 wrote:
hawksman81 wrote:
TheOsprey wrote:
At least pick a player that has a chance, to be a good starting player. I hate Nick Foles, but I would have taken him 7 days a week, over Wilson, because at least he meets the minimum height requirement that it takes, to even have a shot at succeeding in the NFL. Wilson's lack of height, means he has no chance. I guarantee he'll never be a good franchise QB. In fact, I'm so sure, that if he does, I'll leave the board and I'll never post again. Mad


Hmmmm.... Laughing

Not saying hes a franchise QB.. but still...


So I guess that come next april, we know not to trust TheOsprey with anything he says about QBs. Foles is lighting it up for philly Laughing


To be fair Foles didn't really look that good playing in College his final year.
I think I was the only person on here that kinda liked Foles Laughing I still only would've been willing to use a 4th or 5th on him.
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I think Wilson has many of the same characteristics of Vick, and that isn't a bad thing. He doesn't have the arm Vick does, but it is still strong enough to make all the necessary NFL throws. His mobility isn't as good, but it is enough to be a game changer and to keep the sticks moving. Everything that Vick lacked though, Wilson has it by the boat load. Leadership, accuracy and a calm and collective manner on and off the field. The dude is smart too. I like Flynn, don't get me wrong, but Wilson is the spark, the leadership we have missed on offense for a while. He's the under dog with a chip on his shoulder and he plays like he's on a mission. You can't help but fall in love with the way he conducts himself. I think we found our diamond in the rough and we are on our way to becoming the powerhouse we all hoped and knew we could be with a star at the quarterback position.
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Oh this is going to be fun.
TheOsprey wrote:
Absolutely, without a doubt, the WORST pick of the entire draft, by any team. Even worse than Jacksonville, selecting a punter.

No. No it's not.
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Wilson has zero chance of ever becoming a good franchise QB

Well he is coming off of one of the most efficient season's in NCAA history. He has a great arm, is accurate and is a quality decision maker. If a team can believe that Ryan Tannehill is worth a top ten pick, taking a shot on a guy who has ONE real weakness is a shot worth taking.

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How do I know he will fail?

Well...you don't.
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History, says so. The only guy under 6' tall who has even reached marginal success as a starter was Flutie and he completely washed out of the league, the first time around. He had to go to Canada, before coming back and even then, he was completely overhyped.

Well that wasn't really his career path. He wasn't given a chance because of his height, was forced to spend the prime of his career in Canada, and still came back to have some success. At 37. So yes, had he actually been given an opportunity to have success in his prime, he likely could've been even more productive.

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That's not franchise numbers, but he made his name because of his scrambling ability. Back then, that was a rarity, but now, just about every QB is a scrambler, so that doesn't buy you anything new anymore.

The running quarterback isn't new. Look at the number of true scrambling starting quarterbacks in the NFL. It's right around the same as it has been for decades. And considering Flutie ran the ball more than 53 times once in his NFL career, it's not really true either.

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Wilson is nothing more than a Seneca Wallace type at best and you just don't spend 3rd rounders on those types of players, when you have other real needs.

Seneca Wallace completed 55% of his passes and threw more interceptions than touchdowns his senior year at Iowa State. Russell Wilson completed 73% of his passes and threw 33 touchdowns and four interceptions. Literally the only similarity is height. That's it. Period.

It'd be like comparing Chris Johnson when he came out to Trung Candidate. Why? Because they're fast. Who cares about watching them play or actually looking at what they bring to the table? They have one similar trait so they must be the same.

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There are 3 types of players that I despise. 1. Smurf QB's 2. Running QB's 3. Midget CB's. Wilson fits 2 of those 3 criteria.

In their junior and senior seasons, Wilson had four more rushing attempts than Steve Young. There is a difference between being a running quarterback and a mobile quarterback. Wilson uses his athleticism to extend plays and open up passing lanes, it's a pretty big strength.

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Some of you were complaining about Irvin's character issues and wanted squeaky clean players instead.

Agreed. You got a player than understands the game, that is great in the locker room and works incredibly hard to get better. So yes, you are right there, you got the exact kind of personality that coaches love to have.

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it was a wasted pick. We might as well of took a dump on that draft card and flushed it down the toilet, because it won't help this team in the slightest.

Your hatred for a player simply because of one attribute is rather strange and baffling.

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Smurf QB's do not work in the NFL

I would like you to name a couple "smurf" QB's that have Wilson's skillset, college production and success behind an offensive line that averaged 6'5". Wilson has been groomed to be a pro quarterback. He's not Troy Smith and he sure as hell isn't Seneca Wallace.

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Just by selecting him at this point in the draft, you just told Matt Flynn, you have no confidence in him. Nice job, front office. Rolling Eyes

Or you're adding a player with potential and filling a hole behind a starting quarterback that has started two career games.

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At least pick a player that has a chance, to be a good starting player.

They did.
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I hate Nick Foles, but I would have taken him 7 days a week, over Wilson, because at least he meets the minimum height requirement that it takes, to even have a shot at succeeding in the NFL.

I was unaware that the NFL is a roller coaster in which players can't have success beneath a certain height. Glad no one told Darren Sproles. Or MJD. Or Wes Welker. Man, they might have been kind of bummed.

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Wilson's lack of height, means he has no chance.

No chance is very strong wording. It is not literally impossible for him to have no chance.

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I guarantee he'll never be a good franchise QB. In fact, I'm so sure, that if he does, I'll leave the board and I'll never post again. Mad

Don't really have anything to say to this.


I just ask you to watch the man play football and try to look past his height, even for just a couple minutes. He has a great (and high) release, he is accurate, he can throw the deep out route with velocity and he always keeps his eyes downfield. He worked behind a gigantic offensive line and was still able to make every throw from the pocket.

May he fail because of his height? Sure. But I would argue that his lone flaw is no worse than the countless flaws of players like Tannehill and Osweiler. The guy has a will to win and straight up knows the game of football.


Man, from what I remember from draft day, I had to try really, really hard to remain civil in this post. Laughing
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titans0021 wrote:
titans0021 wrote:
Oh this is going to be fun.
TheOsprey wrote:
Absolutely, without a doubt, the WORST pick of the entire draft, by any team. Even worse than Jacksonville, selecting a punter.

No. No it's not.
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Wilson has zero chance of ever becoming a good franchise QB

Well he is coming off of one of the most efficient season's in NCAA history. He has a great arm, is accurate and is a quality decision maker. If a team can believe that Ryan Tannehill is worth a top ten pick, taking a shot on a guy who has ONE real weakness is a shot worth taking.

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How do I know he will fail?

Well...you don't.
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History, says so. The only guy under 6' tall who has even reached marginal success as a starter was Flutie and he completely washed out of the league, the first time around. He had to go to Canada, before coming back and even then, he was completely overhyped.

Well that wasn't really his career path. He wasn't given a chance because of his height, was forced to spend the prime of his career in Canada, and still came back to have some success. At 37. So yes, had he actually been given an opportunity to have success in his prime, he likely could've been even more productive.

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That's not franchise numbers, but he made his name because of his scrambling ability. Back then, that was a rarity, but now, just about every QB is a scrambler, so that doesn't buy you anything new anymore.

The running quarterback isn't new. Look at the number of true scrambling starting quarterbacks in the NFL. It's right around the same as it has been for decades. And considering Flutie ran the ball more than 53 times once in his NFL career, it's not really true either.

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Wilson is nothing more than a Seneca Wallace type at best and you just don't spend 3rd rounders on those types of players, when you have other real needs.

Seneca Wallace completed 55% of his passes and threw more interceptions than touchdowns his senior year at Iowa State. Russell Wilson completed 73% of his passes and threw 33 touchdowns and four interceptions. Literally the only similarity is height. That's it. Period.

It'd be like comparing Chris Johnson when he came out to Trung Candidate. Why? Because they're fast. Who cares about watching them play or actually looking at what they bring to the table? They have one similar trait so they must be the same.

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There are 3 types of players that I despise. 1. Smurf QB's 2. Running QB's 3. Midget CB's. Wilson fits 2 of those 3 criteria.

In their junior and senior seasons, Wilson had four more rushing attempts than Steve Young. There is a difference between being a running quarterback and a mobile quarterback. Wilson uses his athleticism to extend plays and open up passing lanes, it's a pretty big strength.

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Some of you were complaining about Irvin's character issues and wanted squeaky clean players instead.

Agreed. You got a player than understands the game, that is great in the locker room and works incredibly hard to get better. So yes, you are right there, you got the exact kind of personality that coaches love to have.

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it was a wasted pick. We might as well of took a dump on that draft card and flushed it down the toilet, because it won't help this team in the slightest.

Your hatred for a player simply because of one attribute is rather strange and baffling.

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Smurf QB's do not work in the NFL

I would like you to name a couple "smurf" QB's that have Wilson's skillset, college production and success behind an offensive line that averaged 6'5". Wilson has been groomed to be a pro quarterback. He's not Troy Smith and he sure as hell isn't Seneca Wallace.

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Just by selecting him at this point in the draft, you just told Matt Flynn, you have no confidence in him. Nice job, front office. Rolling Eyes

Or you're adding a player with potential and filling a hole behind a starting quarterback that has started two career games.

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At least pick a player that has a chance, to be a good starting player.

They did.
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I hate Nick Foles, but I would have taken him 7 days a week, over Wilson, because at least he meets the minimum height requirement that it takes, to even have a shot at succeeding in the NFL.

I was unaware that the NFL is a roller coaster in which players can't have success beneath a certain height. Glad no one told Darren Sproles. Or MJD. Or Wes Welker. Man, they might have been kind of bummed.

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Wilson's lack of height, means he has no chance.

No chance is very strong wording. It is not literally impossible for him to have no chance.

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I guarantee he'll never be a good franchise QB. In fact, I'm so sure, that if he does, I'll leave the board and I'll never post again. Mad

Don't really have anything to say to this.


I just ask you to watch the man play football and try to look past his height, even for just a couple minutes. He has a great (and high) release, he is accurate, he can throw the deep out route with velocity and he always keeps his eyes downfield. He worked behind a gigantic offensive line and was still able to make every throw from the pocket.

May he fail because of his height? Sure. But I would argue that his lone flaw is no worse than the countless flaws of players like Tannehill and Osweiler. The guy has a will to win and straight up knows the game of football.


Man, from what I remember from draft day, I had to try really, really hard to remain civil in this post. Laughing


Well played. While I may not have agreed with some of the picks made this draft, I like to watch whoever we draft before being so judgemental. It is one thing to not agree with a pick, but to be so against a player who has obviously earned the right to even be considered where they were picked, is ridiculous. I don't mind eating crow from time to time when I am wrong, because when it comes to the Hawks, I never get my hopes up, so when I am wrong, it means the player has exceeded my expectations. Expect the worst, hope for the best. Thinking your scouting prowess is the end all-be all? There is a reason why you're not a part of any sport's scouting department....

Anyway, again, well done for maintaining your composure. So far, you appear to be correct about Wilson. Let's just hope it continues Smile
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Oh, and with that said I've been wrong about countless prospects, just never really understood why people hated on Wilson so much because of his height. I mean, he has a high release point, a strong and accurate arm, makes good-decisions and (as I'm sure you guys are already seeing) is great in the locker room and has that "IT" factor that helps him command the respect of the huddle from almost the moment he steps onto the practice field.

What I saw the guy do in Wisconsin, with ridiculously little prep time, really won me and the rest of the Badgers fans over. Russell is really just an incredibly likable guy and that's why I'll probably be posting in here pretty often throughout the regular season. Laughing
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