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| I don't think there's much of a chance the Packers would trade for McCoy. As MM and TT say they are a draft and development program and with Harrell making strides in the program they will give him his chance to lock down the #2 job. If at any point he falters or shows he can't get it done then the Packers will consider other options, but not before. It's going to be #1 Rodgers, #2 Harrell, #3 Coleman |
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Evan Silva of Rotoworld, NBC and PFT tweeted today he thinks McCoy will be a Packer by September.
Time will tell but I can see the coaches keen to see what Harrell looks like in the preseason after all the time invested in him.
I think all things being equal McCoy is the better player and could garner more down the road. But as has been said it doesn't seem to be the current Packers MO to drop a guy they are developing.
If he fails in the pre season then maybe things change.
I'm interested to see what they do with Coleman. He's willing and has upside but is raw as hell. Most likely he won't be ready to be the #2 by cut down day. Either Harrell or McCoy probably much safer bet as primary backup.
But how do the Packers hold onto him? Carry 3 QBs? Attempt to sneak him through waivers for the PS. Palmy has said he doesn't think either of those two things will happen.
If Harrell blows it in pre season and Coleman isn't ready I could see us opting for the somewhat experienced McCoy and giving him a playbook crash course to get him ready for the reg season. |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:37 am Post subject: |
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| British wrote: | Evan Silva of Rotoworld, NBC and PFT tweeted today he thinks McCoy will be a Packer by September.
Time will tell but I can see the coaches keen to see what Harrell looks like in the preseason after all the time invested in him.
I think all things being equal McCoy is the better player and could garner more down the road. But as has been said it doesn't seem to be the current Packers MO to drop a guy they are developing.
If he fails in the pre season then maybe things change.
I'm interested to see what they do with Coleman. He's willing and has upside but is raw as hell. Most likely he won't be ready to be the #2 by cut down day. Either Harrell or McCoy probably much safer bet as primary backup.
But how do the Packers hold onto him? Carry 3 QBs? Attempt to sneak him through waivers for the PS. Palmy has said he doesn't think either of those two things will happen.
If Harrell blows it in pre season and Coleman isn't ready I could see us opting for the somewhat experienced McCoy and giving him a playbook crash course to get him ready for the reg season. |
I think there is a much higher likelihood than people are suggesting that we keep three QBs. The problem is, which three do we keep if we trde for Colt? Whoever we drop is a guy who will have at least some sort of potential.
If we're a week into training camp and Both Graham and BJ look as if they aren't NFL caliber players, then it would be wise to make a move for a guy like Colt.
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Why would we want a guy the BROWNS don't seem to want instead of a guy who has been in our system for over 2 years and who folks are saying has become so much better since MM's QB school?
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| Pugger wrote: | | Why would we want a guy the BROWNS don't seem to want instead of a guy who has been in our system for over 2 years and who folks are saying has become so much better since MM's QB school? |
Because he was a 2nd round pick instead of an undrafted FA. He has game experience, and would probably come into camp with an already stronger arm than Harrell, even though Harrell has been reportedly getting stronger.
But most importantly, because he is a better long term investment. And you can't tell me that he isn't worth a 6th or 7th round pick. With the way QB's are valued in this league he could turn that into a 4th or better in 2 years.
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| Pugger wrote: | | Why would we want a guy the BROWNS don't seem to want instead of a guy who has been in our system for over 2 years and who folks are saying has become so much better since MM's QB school? |
I think it's more an issue of the Browns would be willing to sell this guy for cheap, considering that the bridge between the Browns and Colt McCoy seems to have been pretty thoroughly torched.
I think the deal they'd take is "anything at all from an NFC team."
The real question is if the Packers want him. They certainly could have him if they wanted to upgrade the backup QB position, but it would likely involve losing either Harrell or Coleman. |
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McCoy is becoming a distraction in Cleveland. They will cut him soon enough.
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| PossibleCabbage wrote: | | Pugger wrote: | | Why would we want a guy the BROWNS don't seem to want instead of a guy who has been in our system for over 2 years and who folks are saying has become so much better since MM's QB school? |
I think it's more an issue of the Browns would be willing to sell this guy for cheap, considering that the bridge between the Browns and Colt McCoy seems to have been pretty thoroughly torched.
I think the deal they'd take is "anything at all from an NFC team."
The real question is if the Packers want him. They certainly could have him if they wanted to upgrade the backup QB position, but it would likely involve losing either Harrell or Coleman. |
If indeed we are interested in McCoy we can't keep 4 QBs so which one of the young guys would we have to cut or trade to make room for Colt? Harrell or Coleman? Even tho his chances to start would only happen if Aaron got hurt if I were McCoy I'd welcome coming to GB if only for MM's QB school!
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| Pugger wrote: | | PossibleCabbage wrote: | | Pugger wrote: | | Why would we want a guy the BROWNS don't seem to want instead of a guy who has been in our system for over 2 years and who folks are saying has become so much better since MM's QB school? |
I think it's more an issue of the Browns would be willing to sell this guy for cheap, considering that the bridge between the Browns and Colt McCoy seems to have been pretty thoroughly torched.
I think the deal they'd take is "anything at all from an NFC team."
The real question is if the Packers want him. They certainly could have him if they wanted to upgrade the backup QB position, but it would likely involve losing either Harrell or Coleman. |
If indeed we are interested in McCoy we can't keep 4 QBs so which one of the young guys would we have to cut or trade to make room for Colt? Harrell or Coleman? Even tho his chances to start would only happen if Aaron got hurt if I were McCoy I'd welcome coming to GB if only for MM's QB school! |
If the pack were to keep 3, which is about a 50/50 and we did trade for mccoy, I'd wager we drop harrell. Coleman is super coachable, with mac having his way with him he could be very good. Though he's not close yet.. Harrells getting close to his ceiling IMO which is a decent backup QB, not someone you'll want starting for half a season.. Colt, meanwhile, is an average to below average starter, but I'd feel ok with him taking the reins for awhile if rodgers went down. I think colt would have the best chance to take us to the playoffs out of the 3 the next 2 years at least, even if that chance isn't very great either..
Remember, the best reciever colt has had to work with in his tenure in the NFL has been Benjamin Watson, or maybe massaqoui and he hasn't been a disaster,
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| NormSizedMidget wrote: | | Anything to get rid of Harrell before it's too late and he actually has to play. |
I trust the coaches when it comes to Harrell.
They didn't sign any FA, young stud or veteran, nor did they take Colt via trade.
Harrell is fine.
I remember hearling plenty of fans giving up on Rodgers after 2 years in the system, interestingly.
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| TedThompson wrote: | | NormSizedMidget wrote: | | Anything to get rid of Harrell before it's too late and he actually has to play. |
I trust the coaches when it comes to Harrell.
They didn't sign any FA, young stud or veteran, nor did they take Colt via trade.
Harrell is fine.
I remember hearling plenty of fans giving up on Rodgers after 2 years in the system, interestingly. |
Harrell is tofu rodgers is steak. Sorry buddy, they might be trying to do the same thing but they are noticeably different. One almost fell out of the 1st round, one didn't even get drafted. I get you have blind faith in everything the staff does, which isn't a problem to me as a fan, but they do make mistakes too. Now I think graham can be a decent back up but I can definitely see peoples concern with his position on the depth chart.
While I don't believe the packers will ever trade for colt, the time for trades isn't up yet and there's still a possibility they will, so you can't be closing the door on the discussion this early, its boring offseason time and you can only play so much madden before you get the itch for the '#realted' to do something splashy.
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I'm open to it. His arm strength and accuracy aren't better than what we already have, but he at least has real game experience and some inkling of mobility (though we'll see how willing he'll still be to continue with that after getting his bell rung), and I have faith that he's surrounded by enough talent to get the team out of a few games in the case of an emergency. Just as long as it's not too expensive.
As for who goes, it's Harrell, while they try to keep Coleman on the practice squad.
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