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bigben07MVP 
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:22 am Post subject: |
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This pre-season should be an interesting one for the simple fact that there will actually be an opportunity for a no-name guy to make the roster if he shines in the pre-season. Most of the time even if a guy has an amazing pre-season it only earns him a spot on the practice squad but with out lack of proven quality depth, some new young guys will have a chance to shine and contribute. _________________
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FourThreeMafia 
Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 40049 Location: East of Sixburgh
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:44 am Post subject: |
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| bigben07MVP wrote: | | This pre-season should be an interesting one for the simple fact that there will actually be an opportunity for a no-name guy to make the roster if he shines in the pre-season. Most of the time even if a guy has an amazing pre-season it only earns him a spot on the practice squad but with out lack of proven quality depth, some new young guys will have a chance to shine and contribute. |
I dont know of any players that have had AMAZING preseasons that didnt make the active roster.
I know what you are trying to say, but we have had no name guys make the active roster before. If they didnt, it was because they didnt show more than the other players that made it over him.
Maybe players who have had simply good preseasons have been left off, but amazing? Rarely do we have any no name players who were amazing in the preseason. If they were, the Steelers would make room for them.
Can you think of any players who have had amazing preseasons that havent made it in the past? _________________
| cluelessororke wrote: | | I am going to laugh in your face when they don't even sniff WR until day three of the draft |
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bigben07MVP 
Joined: 09 Jul 2006 Posts: 9100 Location: Florida State University
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:08 am Post subject: |
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No one in particular but I know there have been times where a guy has been good in the pre-season but you knew while watching that there was little chance he was going to make the team because of proven veteran backups being ahead of them. My point is that there is just a lot more opportunity for young no name guys to step up this year, especially at tight end, defensive end, both linebacker spots, and corner. _________________
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bigben07MVP 
Joined: 09 Jul 2006 Posts: 9100 Location: Florida State University
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:13 am Post subject: |
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I also think we will see a lot more rookies on the roster this year than we're used to. _________________
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LTF 
Joined: 04 Aug 2010 Posts: 635
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:38 am Post subject: |
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| FourThreeMafia wrote: | | bigben07MVP wrote: | | This pre-season should be an interesting one for the simple fact that there will actually be an opportunity for a no-name guy to make the roster if he shines in the pre-season. Most of the time even if a guy has an amazing pre-season it only earns him a spot on the practice squad but with out lack of proven quality depth, some new young guys will have a chance to shine and contribute. |
I dont know of any players that have had AMAZING preseasons that didnt make the active roster.
I know what you are trying to say, but we have had no name guys make the active roster before. If they didnt, it was because they didnt show more than the other players that made it over him.
Maybe players who have had simply good preseasons have been left off, but amazing? Rarely do we have any no name players who were amazing in the preseason. If they were, the Steelers would make room for them.
Can you think of any players who have had amazing preseasons that havent made it in the past? |
Isaac Redman looked like one hell of a force in the 2009 preseason, but didn't make the 53. Of course, I wouldn't call what he did "amazing", but it looks like that was a legitimate great performance from a very good player in hindsight. |
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FourThreeMafia 
Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 40049 Location: East of Sixburgh
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:46 am Post subject: |
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| LTF wrote: | | FourThreeMafia wrote: | | bigben07MVP wrote: | | This pre-season should be an interesting one for the simple fact that there will actually be an opportunity for a no-name guy to make the roster if he shines in the pre-season. Most of the time even if a guy has an amazing pre-season it only earns him a spot on the practice squad but with out lack of proven quality depth, some new young guys will have a chance to shine and contribute. |
I dont know of any players that have had AMAZING preseasons that didnt make the active roster.
I know what you are trying to say, but we have had no name guys make the active roster before. If they didnt, it was because they didnt show more than the other players that made it over him.
Maybe players who have had simply good preseasons have been left off, but amazing? Rarely do we have any no name players who were amazing in the preseason. If they were, the Steelers would make room for them.
Can you think of any players who have had amazing preseasons that havent made it in the past? |
Isaac Redman looked like one hell of a force in the 2009 preseason, but didn't make the 53. Of course, I wouldn't call what he did "amazing", but it looks like that was a legitimate great performance from a very good player in hindsight. |
I dont think he got enough chances that preseason to showcase.
When I think of a "great" or "amazing" preseason, I think of something like Victor Cruz did as a rookie, because he looked amazing in preseaosn and earned a spot.
And even Antonio Brown last prseason. Obviously, he already had a spot on the 53...but its that kind of performances Id classify as one that would get a no name on our roster.
And bigben07mvp....I hear what youre saying, but based on your first post, it doesnt seem like you have many more rookies making the team than usual. We usually have between 6-8 rookies in the 53. I dont think any more than that make it.
Also...on the front you say something about McClendon looking great in OTAs. There have been TONS of players who supposedly looked great in OTAs that never went on to do much on the field. McClendon is a nice backup and I will reserve final judgment, but I personally see nothing about his game that gives me confidence he can be that good of a starter at NT. Id have more faith in him at DE on our team. Too early to say anything about Ta;amu, but when its all said and done, I wont be shocked if Ta'amu plays more NT this season than McClendon, especially on 1st and 2nd down. _________________
| cluelessororke wrote: | | I am going to laugh in your face when they don't even sniff WR until day three of the draft |
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SteelProven 
 Joined: 20 Apr 2005 Posts: 10936 Location: Ramstein, Germany
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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I think the roster is fine but I think they'll be some players pushing for starting time.
Last year E. Sanders was the heir apparent to H. Ward, but injuries open up a opportunity for A. Brown. That chance turned out to be a great season by A. Brown. But I won't be surprised if the Steelers let those two compete again.
With all the talk of C. Rainey B. Batch has become sort of a after thought. But I truly believe he could easily make the Steelers as the #2 back.
I believe C. Rainey will be listed as a RB but be used exclusively in obvious passing downs. I don't believe he has what it takes to be a effective 3rd down back, because of his lack of size at this time.
While everybody in the media is anointing L. Foote the successor to J. Farrior I believe Sly and even Spence could push for PT.
Robert Golden is a sleeper player as he's a player with experience as a CB and FS. The Steelers have had great success with at least 1 UDFA making the roster almost every year even before Tomlin arrived. _________________
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bigben07MVP 
Joined: 09 Jul 2006 Posts: 9100 Location: Florida State University
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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Well my point is that I see most of our actual draft picks making it where it past years they have either been cut or sent to the PS.
This year I see the following making the roster:
DD
Adams
Spence
Ta'amu
Rainey
Cemons
Frederick
With Paulson and Beachem on the PS.
In past years we've had relatively high draft picks not make the final 53 or even worse cut before the season.
Chris Scott
Thaddeus Gibson
Kraig Urbik
Frank Summers
Bruce Davis
Ryan McBean
All come to mind. Now I know most of these guys were busts and just flat out sucked but I wouldn't mind going back in time and giving guys like Kraig Urbik and Ryan McBean another chance. _________________
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FourThreeMafia 
Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 40049 Location: East of Sixburgh
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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| bigben07MVP wrote: | Well my point is that I see most of our actual draft picks making it where it past years they have either been cut or sent to the PS.
This year I see the following making the roster:
DD
Adams
Spence
Ta'amu
Rainey
Cemons
Frederick
With Paulson and Beachem on the PS.
In past years we've had relatively high draft picks not make the final 53 or even worse cut before the season.
Chris Scott
Thaddeus Gibson
Kraig Urbik
Frank Summers
Bruce Davis
Ryan McBean
All come to mind. Now I know most of these guys were busts and just flat out sucked but I wouldn't mind going back in time and giving guys like Kraig Urbik and Ryan McBean another chance. |
Pretty sure Urbik, Summers and Davis were on the 53 in their time here. Also pretty sure McBean was on our 53 at some point, but I could be wrong.
Urbik...yes, we did give up on him too quickly...especially considering we sucked at guard and had no depth. Urbik wasnt that good while he was here but I dont get the logic for getting rid of him when we did.
McBean was awful while he was here, and despite starting in Denver, he is still pretty much only backup caliber. Wouldnt mind having him for depth, but I get why we got rid of him.
Also...I remember alot of Steeler fans complaining ALOT that we cut Gibson, despite him not showing anything. I agree it may have been soon to cut him considering he had potential, but some people went overboard with it, and now he is nowhere to be found. _________________
| cluelessororke wrote: | | I am going to laugh in your face when they don't even sniff WR until day three of the draft |
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whit09
Joined: 15 Dec 2009 Posts: 1299 Location: East of Pittsburgh
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:48 am Post subject: |
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Keep in mind that McLendon plays DE as well, that's why bb07mvp only has 3 5 techs listed.
Seems like a legit final roster...
But, I think Paulson makes the team at least during the Saunders suspension.
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I also think they need to pay attention to Heyward and Hood. I think Heyward could beat Hood out for this season. But I have a feeling unless Heyward just absolutely dominates, that Hood will get the nod, even if Heyward is the better player in camp.
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I think this will happen as well. _________________
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MightyJoeYoung 
Joined: 03 Jun 2010 Posts: 2650 Location: Wakefield, England
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:08 am Post subject: |
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| whit09 wrote: | | But, I think Paulson makes the team at least during the Saunders suspension. |
Rumblings that Saunders may have his suspension lifted _________________
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Gatoradus
Joined: 25 Jan 2010 Posts: 1991 Location: Virginia Beach, VA
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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actually I should have clarify on the cornerback position I had; what I were saying, Steelers will employ Nickel as a starting material more rather than a normally "3rd down" cornerback. In matter of fact I wouldn't be surprise if a nickel CB get more playing time than a supposely Buck LB (Foote, or whoever gets the nod) which leave us with 3-3-5 most of the time with Polamalu/Clark playing close to line than normally. So if we follow my take on depth chart prediction, this is how my roster would look:
Active 53 men roster on opening day: (with Hampton, Mendenhall, and Saunders all are still out)
QB: Big Ben, Leftwich, Batch
RB: Redman, Dwyer, Rainey (KR/PR), Batch
FB: W. Johnson
WR: Wallace, Brown, Sanders (KR/PR), Cotchery, Clemons
TE: Miller, Pope, D. Johnson
LT: Adam, Scott (until further notice!)
LG: Colon (until further notice!), Ramon Foster
OC: Pouncey, Legursky, Warren (LS and until further notice!)
RG: DeCastro, Foster
RT: Gilbert, Essex
that's 21 offensive players.
LE: Hood, Bryant
NT: McLendon, Ta'amu
RE: Keisel, Heyward
LOLB: Woodley, Worilds
LILB: Foote, Sylvester
RILB: Timmons, Spence
ROLB: Harrison, Carter
CB: Taylor, Lewis, C. Allen, C. Brown, Golden
FS: Clark, Mundy
SS: Polamalu, Rolle
That's 23 defensive players.
K: Hrapmann
P: Butler
That's 46 in total. Throw in additional lineman, perhaps wr, a defensive back and few more. I don't think one of our RB will get cut at all even after Mendenhall come back to be honest.
Wouldn't be surprised to see Morty Ivy, Ryan Lee, Damon Cromartie-Smith, Connor Dixon, Troy Smith, Jamon Meredith, Andre Freeman, or Terrence Frederick making the roster. All of them are either once at one point activated to our roster or rookies that I like or Steelers might like them just better.
Keep that in mind, it's very possible we are keeping two FBs, unlikely but with Haley you can never be too sure until you see the complete roster on opening day. |
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turtle28 
Joined: 21 Nov 2007 Posts: 53099 Location: MD/DC/VA depends on the hr!
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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QB:
1.] Ben Roelthisberger
2.] Byron Leftwhich
3.] Troy Smith
Total: 3
RB:
1.] Isaac Redman
2.] Rashard Mendenhall
3.] Baron Batch
4.] Chris Rainey
Total: 4
FB:
1.] David Johnson
Total: 1
WR:
1.] Mike Wallace
2.] Antonio Brown
3.] Emmanuel Sanders
4.] Jerricho Cotchery
5.] Marquise Maze
Total: 5
TE:
1.] Heath Miller
2.] Leonard Pope
3.] Wesley Saunders
Total: 3
LT:
1.] Mike Adams
2.] Johnathan Scott
Total: 2
LG:
1.] Willie Colon
2.] Ramon Foster
Total: 2
C:
1.] Maurkice Pouncey
2.] Doug Legursky
Total: 2
RG:
1.] David DeCastro
2.] Trai Essex
Total: 2
RT:
1.] Marcus Gilbert
2.] Chris Scott
Total: 2
DEFENSE:
DE:
1.] Brett Keisel
2.] Ziggy Hood
3.] Cameron Heyward
[4]4.][/b] Al Woods
Total: 4
NT:
1.] Alameda Ta'amu
2.] Steve McLendon
3.] Casey Hampton (starts on pup list, starts when he comes back)
Total: 3
OLB:
1.]James Harrison
2.] LaMarr Woodley
3.] Jason Worilds
4.] Chris Carter
Total: 4
ILB:
1.] Lawrence Timmons
2.] Larry Foote
3.] Stevenson Sylvester
4.] Sean Spence
Total: 4
CB:
1.] Ike Taylor
2.] Keenan Lewis
3.] Cortez Allen
4.] Curtis Brown
5.] Terrance Frederick
Total: 5
FS:
1.] Ryan Clark
2.] Ryan Mundy
Total: 2
SS:
1.] Troy Polumalu
2.] Damon Cromartie-Smith
Total: 2
K:
1.] Shaun Suisham
P:
1.] Jeremy Kapinos
LS:
1.] Greg Warren
Total: 53 _________________
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FourThreeMafia 
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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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Man...on paper our offense looks like it has the POTENTIAL to be extremely strong the next few years. Obviously, with the possibility or Wallace and/or Mendenhall to be gone, it could get a little weaker, but still....the OLine is incredibly young and as long as its a solid-good line, its a non issue for awhile. Then, even if we lose Wallace next season (which I dont think will happen), our WR corps is still strong. I know Sanders hasnt been healthy long enough to prove anything, but I feel he can be a top class number 2 WR in this league. TE needs a little work. Heath is good but not great, and he is getting older. I wouldnt call TE a weakness, but adding another playmaker at TE in the next 2 years would be welcomed. And at RB...if Mendy can be retained for cheap, I would do it. I dont think he is anything special but he is a good player, and Id prefer not to have to worry about RB next year. _________________
| cluelessororke wrote: | | I am going to laugh in your face when they don't even sniff WR until day three of the draft |
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turtle28 
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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| FourThreeMafia wrote: | | Man...on paper our offense looks like it has the POTENTIAL to be extremely strong the next few years. Obviously, with the possibility or Wallace and/or Mendenhall to be gone, it could get a little weaker, but still....the OLine is incredibly young and as long as its a solid-good line, its a non issue for awhile. Then, even if we lose Wallace next season (which I dont think will happen), our WR corps is still strong. I know Sanders hasnt been healthy long enough to prove anything, but I feel he can be a top class number 2 WR in this league. TE needs a little work. Heath is good but not great, and he is getting older. I wouldnt call TE a weakness, but adding another playmaker at TE in the next 2 years would be welcomed. And at RB...if Mendy can be retained for cheap, I would do it. I dont think he is anything special but he is a good player, and Id prefer not to have to worry about RB next year. | Agreed, the offense is young and has a lot of potential to be great! _________________
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