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MNPackfan32
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QB
1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Tom Brady
3. Drew Brees
4. Eli Manning
5. Peyton Manning
6. Ben Roethlisberger
7. Philip Rivers
8. Matthew Stafford
9. Tony Romo
10. Cam Newton
11. Tony Romo
12. Jay Cutler
13. Matt Schaub
14. Joe Flacco
15. Carson Palmer
16. Matt Ryan
17. Josh Freeman
18. Andy Dalton
19. Ryan Fitzpatrick
20. Matt Moore
21. Matt Flynn
22. Alex Smith
23. Sam Bradford
24. Jake Locker
25. Mark Sanchez
26. Matt Cassel
27. Kevin Kolb
28. Christian Ponder
29. Blaine Gabbert
30. Andrew Luck (R)
31. Robert Griffin III (R)
32. Brandon Weeden (R) |
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OakRaiders3828
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| MNPackfan32 wrote: | QB
1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Tom Brady
3. Drew Brees
4. Eli Manning
5. Peyton Manning
6. Ben Roethlisberger
7. Philip Rivers
8. Matthew Stafford
9. Tony Romo
10. Cam Newton
11. Tony Romo
12. Jay Cutler
13. Matt Schaub
14. Joe Flacco
15. Carson Palmer
16. Matt Ryan
17. Josh Freeman
18. Andy Dalton
19. Ryan Fitzpatrick
20. Matt Moore
21. Matt Flynn
22. Alex Smith
23. Sam Bradford
24. Jake Locker
25. Mark Sanchez
26. Matt Cassel
27. Kevin Kolb
28. Christian Ponder
29. Blaine Gabbert
30. Andrew Luck (R)
31. Robert Griffin III (R)
32. Brandon Weeden (R) |
I like this list. Just how can you justify having Tony Romo at 9 ahead of Tony Romo at 11? I got Romo all day before I'd even touch Romo. Switch that and you're list is good.
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FourThreeMafia
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| OakRaiders3828 wrote: | | MNPackfan32 wrote: | QB
1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Tom Brady
3. Drew Brees
4. Eli Manning
5. Peyton Manning
6. Ben Roethlisberger
7. Philip Rivers
8. Matthew Stafford
9. Tony Romo
10. Cam Newton
11. Tony Romo
12. Jay Cutler
13. Matt Schaub
14. Joe Flacco
15. Carson Palmer
16. Matt Ryan
17. Josh Freeman
18. Andy Dalton
19. Ryan Fitzpatrick
20. Matt Moore
21. Matt Flynn
22. Alex Smith
23. Sam Bradford
24. Jake Locker
25. Mark Sanchez
26. Matt Cassel
27. Kevin Kolb
28. Christian Ponder
29. Blaine Gabbert
30. Andrew Luck (R)
31. Robert Griffin III (R)
32. Brandon Weeden (R) |
I like this list. Just how can you justify having Tony Romo at 9 ahead of Tony Romo at 11? I got Romo all day before I'd even touch Romo. Switch that and you're list is good. |
GTFO
If you think Romo is better than Romo...you are clueless!
Seriously though...i assume 11 is Vick.
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MNPackfan32
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| FourThreeMafia wrote: | | OakRaiders3828 wrote: | | MNPackfan32 wrote: | QB
1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Tom Brady
3. Drew Brees
4. Eli Manning
5. Peyton Manning
6. Ben Roethlisberger
7. Philip Rivers
8. Matthew Stafford
9. Tony Romo
10. Cam Newton
11. Tony Romo
12. Jay Cutler
13. Matt Schaub
14. Joe Flacco
15. Carson Palmer
16. Matt Ryan
17. Josh Freeman
18. Andy Dalton
19. Ryan Fitzpatrick
20. Matt Moore
21. Matt Flynn
22. Alex Smith
23. Sam Bradford
24. Jake Locker
25. Mark Sanchez
26. Matt Cassel
27. Kevin Kolb
28. Christian Ponder
29. Blaine Gabbert
30. Andrew Luck (R)
31. Robert Griffin III (R)
32. Brandon Weeden (R) |
I like this list. Just how can you justify having Tony Romo at 9 ahead of Tony Romo at 11? I got Romo all day before I'd even touch Romo. Switch that and you're list is good. |
GTFO
If you think Romo is better than Romo...you are clueless!
Seriously though...i assume 11 is Vick. |
I had to take Romo over Romo, and if you don't agree, well quite frankly, you are an uneducated moron!!!!!!!!  .... Yeah Vick was supposed to be 11.  |
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Olympia Martin
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| OakRaiders3828 wrote: | | ^^ Jamaal Charles at 14?? |
Charles was a top 10 back all day before his injury. Dropping him 6-8 spots depending on where you ranked him is sufficient. Let's see how he plays this year before dropping him further. |
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| FourThreeMafia wrote: | | JammerHammer21 wrote: | | norcalraider510 wrote: | I'll do one.
Criteria- My eyes.
1-Adrian Peterson
2-Darren McFadden
3-LeSean McCoy
4-Arian Foster
5-Jamaal Charles
6-Maurice Jones-Drew
7-Fred Jackson
8-Matt Forte
9-Ray Rice
10-Steven Jackson
11-Chris Johnson
12-Darren Sproles
13-Marshawn Lynch
14-Frank Gore
15-Rashard Mendenhall
I'll do the rest later. You could put 2-9 in any order, its really close. |
Mendy over Mathews??? |
Im not even a huge fan of Mendenhall's, but how exactly has Matthews proven to be better than him?
Im not saying Mendy is clearly better than Matthews, but the way you ask that, you act like Matthews is clearly better than Mendy.
I like Matthews, but some Chargers fans REAAAAALY overrate him at this point and what he has proven thus far. |
Mendy doesn't really have anything special to his game. Tough runner, but not that much else it seems. Mathews basically had carries stolen from him by Tolbert all the time and rarely got into a rhythm, but still put up solid numbers in the rushing game while also being huge in the short passing game. Superb balance, and he's going to be fed the ball a lot next year with Tolbert out of the picture. Look at some of those last few games. high average and was getting the ball a lot against Jacksonville (who apparently every one thinks is a top 7 D), Denver (suprisingly good run D most of the year), and Buffalo.
I think a lot of people are underrating him because he didn't touch the ball much and doesn't break long runs or score that many TDs. I understand him not being top ten, but anybody putting him in the 20s is just crazy. He's about the 15th back right now, and if Norv follows through with what he is saying, he should get a chance to really show his skills. |
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| Olympia Martin wrote: | | OakRaiders3828 wrote: | | ^^ Jamaal Charles at 14?? |
Charles was a top 10 back all day before his injury. Dropping him 6-8 spots depending on where you ranked him is sufficient. Let's see how he plays this year before dropping him further. |
please don't think im being a homer when i ask: How the hell is darren sproles above lynch on your list?
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ArodFanboy
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 4:49 am Post subject: |
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Cornerbacks (right now)
1.Darrelle Revis, New York Jets
2.Champ Bailey, Denver Broncos
3.Joe Haden, Cleveland Browns
4.Nnamdi Asomugha, Philadelphia Eagles
5.Brandon Flowers, Kansas City Chiefs
6.Johnathon Joseph, Houston Texans
7.Charles Woodson, Green Bay Packers
8.Cortland Finnegan, Tennessee Titans
9.Brent Grimes, Atlanta Falcons
10.Vontae Davis, Miami Dolphins
11.Brandon Carr, Dallas Cowboys
12.Ladarius Webb, Baltimore Ravens
13.Carlos Rogers, San Francisco 49ers
14.Tramon Williams, Green Bay Packers
15.Derek Cox, Jacksonville Jaguars (top 10 if he stays healthy)
16.Chris Gamble, Carolina Panthers
17.Leon Hall, Cincinnati Bengals (top 5-10 before horrible injury)
18.Charles Tillman, Chicago Bears
19.Richard Sherman, Seattle Seahawks
20.Jabari Greer, New Orleans Saints
21.Corey Webster, New York Giants
22.Reshean Mathis, Jacksonville Jaguars
23.Aqib Talib, Tampa Bay Bucs
24.Asante Samuel, Atlanta Falcons
25.Quinton Jammer, San Diego Chargers
26.Ike Taylor, Pittsburgh Steelers
27.Ras I-Dowling New England Patriots (will rise if can stay healthy)
28.Patrick Peterson, Arizona Cardinals (will only get better)
29.Jimmy Smith, Baltimore Ravens
30.Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Philadelphia Eagles
31.Dunta Robinson, Atlanta Falcons
32.Antonio Cromartie, New York Jets
Only 1 player on this entire list that is a division rival of Green Bay, and he is getting up there in age. Can't complain with that 
Offensive Tackles (both left and right)
1.Joe Thomas, Cleveland Browns
2.Michael Roos, Tennessee Titans
3.Jake Long, Miami Dolphins
4.David Stewart, Tennessee Titans
5.Ryan Clady, Denver Broncos
6.D'Brickashaw Ferguson, New York Jets
7.Andrew Whitworth,Cincinnati Bengals
8.Tyson Clabo, Atlanta Falcons
9.Joe Staley, San Francisco 49ers
10.Sebastian Vollmer, New England Patriots
11.Eugene Monroe, Jacksonville Jaguars
12.Duane Brown, Houston Texans
13.Bryan Bulaga, Green Bay Packers
14.Brandon Albert, Kansas City Chiefs
15.Tyron Smith, Dallas Cowboys
16.Jared Gaither, San Diego Chargers
17.Jordan Gross, Carolina Panthers
18.Nate Solder, New England Patriots
19.Russell Okung, Seattle Seahawks (top 5-10 if stays healthy)
20.Trent Williams, Washington Redskins
21.Eric Winston, Kansas City Chiefs
22.Donald Penn, Tampa Bay Bucs
23.Sam Baker, Atlanta Falcons
24.Andre Smith, Cincinnati Bengals
25.Jamaal Brown, Washington Redskins
26.Jeff Backus, Detroit Lions
27.Matt Kalil, Minnesota Vikings
28.Marcus Gilbert, Pittsburgh Steelers
29.Jermon Bushrod, New Orleans Saints
30.Bryant McKinnie, Baltimore Ravens
31. Gabe Carimi, Chicago Bears
32.Riley Reiff, Detroit Lions
As for the guy who said my QB list was the "worst he had ever seen" because Tony Romo was at 15, I'd like you to answer a question for me. What makes Tony Romo a better QB than the 14 guys I ranked ahead of him? Why is it so outlandish to put him behind the guys I did? Maybe its just a preference issue, but its clear your just a Dallas homer who wishes his QB was better then he really is. And I don't even mind the Cowboys.
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OakRaiders3828
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You know jared Veldheer is underrated when 2 rookies are ranked ahead of him
| Quote: | Jared Veldheer was the most improved player in the AFC West last season, according to ProFootballFocus.com, who had him increasing from a 2010 player rating of -27.2 to his 2011 mark of +5.9, a net improvement of 33.1 points.
Chiefs lineman Brandon Albert was voted the second most improved player in the AFC West with a net improvement of 19.7.
The honor isn't the only recognition bestowed upon Veldheer after his second NFL season. The six-foot-eight lineman was among NFL.com's biggest bargains of 2011.
Veldheer surrendered just four sacks last season. He turned in his signature game Week 11 against the Vikings, shutting down veteran pass-rusher Jared Allen; the shutout snapped Allen's streak of 11 consecutive games with a sack. |
http://www.csnchicago.com/02/11/12/Recognition-for-Raiders-Jared-Veldheer/mobile_landing.html?blockID=649644&tagID=4855
Not bad for a second year guy from a d2 school
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ArodFanboy
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| OakRaiders3828 wrote: | You know jared Veldheer is underrated when 2 rookies are ranked ahead of him 
| Quote: | Jared Veldheer was the most improved player in the AFC West last season, according to ProFootballFocus.com, who had him increasing from a 2010 player rating of -27.2 to his 2011 mark of +5.9, a net improvement of 33.1 points.
Chiefs lineman Brandon Albert was voted the second most improved player in the AFC West with a net improvement of 19.7.
The honor isn't the only recognition bestowed upon Veldheer after his second NFL season. The six-foot-eight lineman was among NFL.com's biggest bargains of 2011.
Veldheer surrendered just four sacks last season. He turned in his signature game Week 11 against the Vikings, shutting down veteran pass-rusher Jared Allen; the shutout snapped Allen's streak of 11 consecutive games with a sack. |
http://www.csnchicago.com/02/11/12/Recognition-for-Raiders-Jared-Veldheer/mobile_landing.html?blockID=649644&tagID=4855
Not bad for a second year guy from a d2 school |
Honestly forgot about him or he would have been somewhere in the 15-20 range. Probably should have avoided doing two positions at 4AM but oh well.
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OakRaiders3828
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It's all good lol, I mean, it's your opinion
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Olympia Martin
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| imani wrote: | | Olympia Martin wrote: | | OakRaiders3828 wrote: | | ^^ Jamaal Charles at 14?? |
Charles was a top 10 back all day before his injury. Dropping him 6-8 spots depending on where you ranked him is sufficient. Let's see how he plays this year before dropping him further. |
please don't think im being a homer when i ask: How the hell is darren sproles above lynch on your list? |
Just because what New Orleans asks Sproles to do does not mean he couldn't carry the ball 20+ times a game and rack up yards and rushing TD's like Lynch did this past season. Sproles is today's perfect RB. Can carry the load but is not asked to because he is so dynamic in the passing game. I don't think there is a better pass catching RB in the NFL than Sproles. |
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| BillsGuy82 wrote: | | texans_uk wrote: | | BlaqOptic wrote: | | Badfish87 wrote: | If I was going to pick a franchise receiver, taking upside and skill but not personal issues into account, my order would be:
1. Calvin Johnson
2. Larry Fitzgerald
3. AJ Green
4. Julio Jones
5. Brandon Marshall
6. Andre Johnson
7. Greg Jennings
8. Dwayne Bowe
9. Demaryius Thomas
10. Antonio Brown
11. Victor Cruz
12. Mike Wallace
13. Marques Colston
14. DeSean Jackson
15. Santonio Holmes
16. Miles Austin
17. Hakeem Nicks
18. Dez Bryant
19. Steve Johnson
20. Jeremy Maclin
21. Percy Harvin
22. Jordy Nelson
23. Mario Manningham
24. Michael Crabtree
25. Vincent Jackson
26. Steve Smith
27. Brandon Lloyd
28. Roddy White
29. Wes Welker
30. Reggie Wayne
31. Johnny Knox
32. Kenny Britt |
Really?! Based on your own criteria?! |
Britt @ 32  |
Roddy White at 28 |
No kidding!
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| Olympia Martin wrote: | | imani wrote: | | Olympia Martin wrote: | | OakRaiders3828 wrote: | | ^^ Jamaal Charles at 14?? |
Charles was a top 10 back all day before his injury. Dropping him 6-8 spots depending on where you ranked him is sufficient. Let's see how he plays this year before dropping him further. |
please don't think im being a homer when i ask: How the hell is darren sproles above lynch on your list? |
Just because what New Orleans asks Sproles to do does not mean he couldn't carry the ball 20+ times a game and rack up yards and rushing TD's like Lynch did this past season. Sproles is today's perfect RB. Can carry the load but is not asked to because he is so dynamic in the passing game. I don't think there is a better pass catching RB in the NFL than Sproles. |
and in what world do you think that sproles could do what lynch did last season? Sproles would not run for 100 yards and a TD against san fran(both firsts against that defense), he wouldn't make that run VS the eagles, and he wouldn't break the seahawks record with straight games for a TD
Sproles is very dynamic, and makes an impact in more varieties than lynch...but marshawn has more of an overall impact on an offense and the opposing defense. He's a franchise back, sproles can't handle nearly 300 carries per season....IMO
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FourThreeMafia
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| JammerHammer21 wrote: | | FourThreeMafia wrote: | | JammerHammer21 wrote: | | norcalraider510 wrote: | I'll do one.
Criteria- My eyes.
1-Adrian Peterson
2-Darren McFadden
3-LeSean McCoy
4-Arian Foster
5-Jamaal Charles
6-Maurice Jones-Drew
7-Fred Jackson
8-Matt Forte
9-Ray Rice
10-Steven Jackson
11-Chris Johnson
12-Darren Sproles
13-Marshawn Lynch
14-Frank Gore
15-Rashard Mendenhall
I'll do the rest later. You could put 2-9 in any order, its really close. |
Mendy over Mathews??? |
Im not even a huge fan of Mendenhall's, but how exactly has Matthews proven to be better than him?
Im not saying Mendy is clearly better than Matthews, but the way you ask that, you act like Matthews is clearly better than Mendy.
I like Matthews, but some Chargers fans REAAAAALY overrate him at this point and what he has proven thus far. |
Mendy doesn't really have anything special to his game. Tough runner, but not that much else it seems. Mathews basically had carries stolen from him by Tolbert all the time and rarely got into a rhythm, but still put up solid numbers in the rushing game while also being huge in the short passing game. Superb balance, and he's going to be fed the ball a lot next year with Tolbert out of the picture. Look at some of those last few games. high average and was getting the ball a lot against Jacksonville (who apparently every one thinks is a top 7 D), Denver (suprisingly good run D most of the year), and Buffalo.
I think a lot of people are underrating him because he didn't touch the ball much and doesn't break long runs or score that many TDs. I understand him not being top ten, but anybody putting him in the 20s is just crazy. He's about the 15th back right now, and if Norv follows through with what he is saying, he should get a chance to really show his skills. |
I dont think Mendy is anything special either, but I also havent seen anything special about Matthews.
And if he had more carries, he would get more attention, but I still dont think anyone would see anything special about him. The only people who seem to are Chargers fans.
However, I do agree he should definitely be in the top 20.
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