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| Phire wrote: | http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/article-1/Chaney-May-The-Best-Man-Win/7904ad46-86e6-4587-bb25-d12e4c3d36f4
| Quote: | | Chaney was not expected to take part in the Organized Team Activities because of the offseason neck procedure he underwent, but when the Organized Team Activities began on Tuesday at the NovaCare Complex he was out there on the field. |
| Quote: | | Chaney said he wasn't with the starters, but instead competing against Brian Rolle for the weakside linebacker job. It's the one linebacker spot where Chaney hasn't started in his first two seasons. |
| Quote: | | "May the best man win if it's just me and him battling it out." |
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I understand getting your best 3 LBs out there but as it states its the one position he hasn't started, why put him there? He may have the skill set, but we've had athletic WLB before who didn't pan out. Why not put him in @ Sam (where's he's played) and make Kendricks earn the spot @ Sam? Didn't they make the same mistake yrs past penciling rookies in only to watch them struggle?
Do they not expect Kendricks to struggle with the move from MLB to Sam getting detached from TEs and reading route combos?
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Our SAM is very close to a 3-4 ILB which he knows from college, and the difference between SAM and WILL isn't exactly huge in our scheme.
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| nslthought wrote: | I understand getting your best 3 LBs out there but as it states its the one position he hasn't started, why put him there? He may have the skill set, but we've had athletic WLB before who didn't pan out. Why not put him in @ Sam (where's he's played) and make Kendricks earn the spot @ Sam? Didn't they make the same mistake yrs past penciling rookies in only to watch them struggle?
Do they not expect Kendricks to struggle with the move from MLB to Sam getting detached from TEs and reading route combos? |
You have to realize, in our scheme the SAM is used like a second ILB, although the SAM is used more of a secondary MIKE, lined up between the LDE and LDT. The WILL still lines up outside the RDE. The MIKE lines up over the RDT and reacts to the side of the play.
They also brought the Strong Safety in the box the last 6 or so games, improving the run defense. Because our corners can cover and when Allen was healthy we actually had a Free Safety with some range in coverage. We will probably also line up Cox at LDE a lot on running downs as well, so that should improve the run defense as well.
 Basically what it looks like in most base packages:
Rodgers-Cromartie-------------------Babin--------Patterson-----Jenkins--------Cole-------------------Asomugha
------------------------Jarrett/Coleman-----Kendricks---------------Ryans-------------Chaney/Rolle---------------
-------------------------------------------------------------Allen-----------------------------------------------------------
He can cover tightends, he did it in the PAC-12 and while he wasn't in man often in college, when he was he showed he can do it. CAL ran a lot more Cover-2 than man, although there were some instances where Kendricks played Man on a back or tight end and looked good. He is a good blitzer up the middle, and is a gap shooting linebacker. He won't be asked to set the edge much in our defense.
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nlesthought
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| EaglesFan5-36-81 wrote: | | nslthought wrote: | I understand getting your best 3 LBs out there but as it states its the one position he hasn't started, why put him there? He may have the skill set, but we've had athletic WLB before who didn't pan out. Why not put him in @ Sam (where's he's played) and make Kendricks earn the spot @ Sam? Didn't they make the same mistake yrs past penciling rookies in only to watch them struggle?
Do they not expect Kendricks to struggle with the move from MLB to Sam getting detached from TEs and reading route combos? |
You have to realize, in our scheme the SAM is used like a second ILB, although the SAM is used more of a secondary MIKE, lined up between the LDE and LDT. The WILL still lines up outside the RDE. The MIKE lines up over the RDT and reacts to the side of the play.
They also brought the Strong Safety in the box the last 6 or so games, improving the run defense. Because our corners can cover and when Allen was healthy we actually had a Free Safety with some range in coverage. We will probably also line up Cox at LDE a lot on running downs as well, so that should improve the run defense as well.
Basically what it looks like in most base packages:
Rodgers-Cromartie-------------------Babin--------Patterson-----Jenkins--------Cole-------------------Asomugha
------------------------Jarrett/Coleman-----Kendricks---------------Ryans-------------Chaney/Rolle---------------
-------------------------------------------------------------Allen-----------------------------------------------------------
He can cover tightends, he did it in the PAC-12 and while he wasn't in man often in college, when he was he showed he can do it. CAL ran a lot more Cover-2 than man, although there were some instances where Kendricks played Man on a back or tight end and looked good. He is a good blitzer up the middle, and is a gap shooting linebacker. He won't be asked to set the edge much in our defense. |
The Sam is not a "secondary Mike", he's an outside LB that plays on the strong side of the formation. His alignment varies from time to time and his gap(s) responsibility will also vary pending the defensive front. In the wide 9 the DE is outside the TE so the Sam would be lined up in a 50 alignment which is outside shade of the OT. ILB in a 3-4 are generally lined up in a 30 or somewhere over the OG.
But that wasn't the point of my post, I thought I clearly stated that handing a job to a rookie without any competition isn't the best way to approach this. We've done it before with the other positions as well as Matthews (a LB) last yr. granted Kendricks is more athletic but he like Matthews come from the Pac-12 (I'm not sure if that actually means anything) and was handed the job. Yes Kendricks gets a full off-season
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| nlesthought wrote: | | EaglesFan5-36-81 wrote: | | nslthought wrote: | I understand getting your best 3 LBs out there but as it states its the one position he hasn't started, why put him there? He may have the skill set, but we've had athletic WLB before who didn't pan out. Why not put him in @ Sam (where's he's played) and make Kendricks earn the spot @ Sam? Didn't they make the same mistake yrs past penciling rookies in only to watch them struggle?
Do they not expect Kendricks to struggle with the move from MLB to Sam getting detached from TEs and reading route combos? |
You have to realize, in our scheme the SAM is used like a second ILB, although the SAM is used more of a secondary MIKE, lined up between the LDE and LDT. The WILL still lines up outside the RDE. The MIKE lines up over the RDT and reacts to the side of the play.
They also brought the Strong Safety in the box the last 6 or so games, improving the run defense. Because our corners can cover and when Allen was healthy we actually had a Free Safety with some range in coverage. We will probably also line up Cox at LDE a lot on running downs as well, so that should improve the run defense as well.
Basically what it looks like in most base packages:
Rodgers-Cromartie-------------------Babin--------Patterson-----Jenkins--------Cole-------------------Asomugha
------------------------Jarrett/Coleman-----Kendricks---------------Ryans-------------Chaney/Rolle---------------
-------------------------------------------------------------Allen-----------------------------------------------------------
He can cover tightends, he did it in the PAC-12 and while he wasn't in man often in college, when he was he showed he can do it. CAL ran a lot more Cover-2 than man, although there were some instances where Kendricks played Man on a back or tight end and looked good. He is a good blitzer up the middle, and is a gap shooting linebacker. He won't be asked to set the edge much in our defense. |
The Sam is not a "secondary Mike", he's an outside LB that plays on the strong side of the formation. His alignment varies from time to time and his gap(s) responsibility will also vary pending the defensive front. In the wide 9 the DE is outside the TE so the Sam would be lined up in a 50 alignment which is outside shade of the OT. ILB in a 3-4 are generally lined up in a 30 or somewhere over the OG.
But that wasn't the point of my post, I thought I clearly stated that handing a job to a rookie without any competition isn't the best way to approach this. We've done it before with the other positions as well as Matthews (a LB) last yr. granted Kendricks is more athletic but he like Matthews come from the Pac-12 (I'm not sure if that actually means anything) and was handed the job. Yes Kendricks gets a full off-season |
Thats not true at all, in fact the SAM is supposed to be the most active linebacker in our defense. In any other defense, yes the SAM is lined up on the outside, but to be lined up outside the DE in the run game would leave the defense even worse than it was last year as there would be a free 5 yards every play for a back. Nor is he lined up on the LOS:
| Quote: | | Remember, we don’t put the LB up on the LOS like we used to. The SAM now is back off the ball and plays like an ILB to a certain extent. |
Now as far as the second point, I kind of agree with, handing a rookie a job could be tough, but Kendricks was a 2nd rounder and much more talented then Matthews, who was a 4th rounder.
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| EaglesFan5-36-81 wrote: | | nlesthought wrote: | | EaglesFan5-36-81 wrote: | | nslthought wrote: | I understand getting your best 3 LBs out there but as it states its the one position he hasn't started, why put him there? He may have the skill set, but we've had athletic WLB before who didn't pan out. Why not put him in @ Sam (where's he's played) and make Kendricks earn the spot @ Sam? Didn't they make the same mistake yrs past penciling rookies in only to watch them struggle?
Do they not expect Kendricks to struggle with the move from MLB to Sam getting detached from TEs and reading route combos? |
You have to realize, in our scheme the SAM is used like a second ILB, although the SAM is used more of a secondary MIKE, lined up between the LDE and LDT. The WILL still lines up outside the RDE. The MIKE lines up over the RDT and reacts to the side of the play.
They also brought the Strong Safety in the box the last 6 or so games, improving the run defense. Because our corners can cover and when Allen was healthy we actually had a Free Safety with some range in coverage. We will probably also line up Cox at LDE a lot on running downs as well, so that should improve the run defense as well.
Basically what it looks like in most base packages:
Rodgers-Cromartie-------------------Babin--------Patterson-----Jenkins--------Cole-------------------Asomugha
------------------------Jarrett/Coleman-----Kendricks---------------Ryans-------------Chaney/Rolle---------------
-------------------------------------------------------------Allen-----------------------------------------------------------
He can cover tightends, he did it in the PAC-12 and while he wasn't in man often in college, when he was he showed he can do it. CAL ran a lot more Cover-2 than man, although there were some instances where Kendricks played Man on a back or tight end and looked good. He is a good blitzer up the middle, and is a gap shooting linebacker. He won't be asked to set the edge much in our defense. |
The Sam is not a "secondary Mike", he's an outside LB that plays on the strong side of the formation. His alignment varies from time to time and his gap(s) responsibility will also vary pending the defensive front. In the wide 9 the DE is outside the TE so the Sam would be lined up in a 50 alignment which is outside shade of the OT. ILB in a 3-4 are generally lined up in a 30 or somewhere over the OG.
But that wasn't the point of my post, I thought I clearly stated that handing a job to a rookie without any competition isn't the best way to approach this. We've done it before with the other positions as well as Matthews (a LB) last yr. granted Kendricks is more athletic but he like Matthews come from the Pac-12 (I'm not sure if that actually means anything) and was handed the job. Yes Kendricks gets a full off-season |
Thats not true at all, in fact the SAM is supposed to be the most active linebacker in our defense. In any other defense, yes the SAM is lined up on the outside, but to be lined up outside the DE in the run game would leave the defense even worse than it was last year as there would be a free 5 yards every play for a back. Nor is he lined up on the LOS:
| Quote: | | Remember, we don’t put the LB up on the LOS like we used to. The SAM now is back off the ball and plays like an ILB to a certain extent. |
Now as far as the second point, I kind of agree with, handing a rookie a job could be tough, but Kendricks was a 2nd rounder and much more talented then Matthews, who was a 4th rounder. |
EF53681 please go back and read what I wrote and tell me where I said the Sam will be outside the DE?
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 10:17 am Post subject: |
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| nlesthought wrote: | | EaglesFan5-36-81 wrote: | | nlesthought wrote: | | EaglesFan5-36-81 wrote: | | nslthought wrote: | I understand getting your best 3 LBs out there but as it states its the one position he hasn't started, why put him there? He may have the skill set, but we've had athletic WLB before who didn't pan out. Why not put him in @ Sam (where's he's played) and make Kendricks earn the spot @ Sam? Didn't they make the same mistake yrs past penciling rookies in only to watch them struggle?
Do they not expect Kendricks to struggle with the move from MLB to Sam getting detached from TEs and reading route combos? |
You have to realize, in our scheme the SAM is used like a second ILB, although the SAM is used more of a secondary MIKE, lined up between the LDE and LDT. The WILL still lines up outside the RDE. The MIKE lines up over the RDT and reacts to the side of the play.
They also brought the Strong Safety in the box the last 6 or so games, improving the run defense. Because our corners can cover and when Allen was healthy we actually had a Free Safety with some range in coverage. We will probably also line up Cox at LDE a lot on running downs as well, so that should improve the run defense as well.
Basically what it looks like in most base packages:
Rodgers-Cromartie-------------------Babin--------Patterson-----Jenkins--------Cole-------------------Asomugha
------------------------Jarrett/Coleman-----Kendricks---------------Ryans-------------Chaney/Rolle---------------
-------------------------------------------------------------Allen-----------------------------------------------------------
He can cover tightends, he did it in the PAC-12 and while he wasn't in man often in college, when he was he showed he can do it. CAL ran a lot more Cover-2 than man, although there were some instances where Kendricks played Man on a back or tight end and looked good. He is a good blitzer up the middle, and is a gap shooting linebacker. He won't be asked to set the edge much in our defense. |
The Sam is not a "secondary Mike", he's an outside LB that plays on the strong side of the formation. His alignment varies from time to time and his gap(s) responsibility will also vary pending the defensive front. In the wide 9 the DE is outside the TE so the Sam would be lined up in a 50 alignment which is outside shade of the OT. ILB in a 3-4 are generally lined up in a 30 or somewhere over the OG.
But that wasn't the point of my post, I thought I clearly stated that handing a job to a rookie without any competition isn't the best way to approach this. We've done it before with the other positions as well as Matthews (a LB) last yr. granted Kendricks is more athletic but he like Matthews come from the Pac-12 (I'm not sure if that actually means anything) and was handed the job. Yes Kendricks gets a full off-season |
Thats not true at all, in fact the SAM is supposed to be the most active linebacker in our defense. In any other defense, yes the SAM is lined up on the outside, but to be lined up outside the DE in the run game would leave the defense even worse than it was last year as there would be a free 5 yards every play for a back. Nor is he lined up on the LOS:
| Quote: | | Remember, we don’t put the LB up on the LOS like we used to. The SAM now is back off the ball and plays like an ILB to a certain extent. |
Now as far as the second point, I kind of agree with, handing a rookie a job could be tough, but Kendricks was a 2nd rounder and much more talented then Matthews, who was a 4th rounder. |
EF53681 please go back and read what I wrote and tell me where I said the Sam will be outside the DE? |
I misread your post, I apoligize.
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So you brought up a thread where no one was right? Chaney isn't the starter either (which a lot of us guessed would be the case)
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| ninjapirate wrote: |
So you brought up a thread where no one was right? Chaney isn't the starter either (which a lot of us guessed would be the case) |
He has a injured left hamstring AFTER getting promoted to nickle duty. Jamar is trending up. Rolle is rolling down.  |
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| Aren't you the same guy that trashed Kuechly but wanted Zach Brown? |
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| gator3guy wrote: | | Aren't you the same guy that trashed Kuechly but wanted Zach Brown? |
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Being a soft ILB is totally unacceptable out of a 1st round pick. Kuechly looks like a good 43 WILL candidate. To put him in the middle of a defense early in his career could prove disastrous. You can win by simply running right at the guy. |
Where he is currently starting...
It's only a matter of time before Chaney is the starting WILL. He just needs to get healthy. |
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| PowerElite wrote: | | gator3guy wrote: | | Aren't you the same guy that trashed Kuechly but wanted Zach Brown? |
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Being a soft ILB is totally unacceptable out of a 1st round pick. Kuechly looks like a good 43 WILL candidate. To put him in the middle of a defense early in his career could prove disastrous. You can win by simply running right at the guy. |
Where he is currently starting...
It's only a matter of time before Chaney is the starting WILL. He just needs to get healthy. |
I don't see how a guy that made 200 tackles a year can be soft. And don't give me your highlights of him getting "run over". He would have produced anywhere on the field. It just so happens Carolina already has a Pro Bowler in the middle. |
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At this point, I think Rolle should be the starting WILL with Chaney being the primary backup at all 3 spots, then we only dress one other LB in Akeem Jordan. Maybe even only keep 5 LBs, because I can't think who is worth keeping as the sixth.
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| Withmy89vision wrote: | | At this point, I think Rolle should be the starting WILL with Chaney being the primary backup at all 3 spots, then we only dress one other LB in Akeem Jordan. Maybe even only keep 5 LBs, because I can't think who is worth keeping as the sixth. |
They have to keep 6. Backup LB's are usually your core special teamers. I can't think of a team that keeps fewer than 6. If they don't think #6 is on the roster they will pick one up. |
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