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stchamp98
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 Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 9:49 am Post subject: Whiz: Kolb And Skelton Are "Even As Can Be" |
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From the Jim Rome is Burning Show yesterday:
“I think the knee-jerk reaction would be to say that it is Kevin’s job to lose,” Whisenhunt said. “But then you have to look at what John Skelton did last year in winning those games when he was in there. So I think you have to give John a lot of credit for winning those games. I certainly have a lot of respect for Kevin and what he’s done in this league and we made the commitment to bring him in to our football team. So it’s going to start out as even as it possibly can, and we’re going to let the best player take it from there. We did that many years ago when we had Kurt Warner and Matt Leinart, and it worked out pretty good for us. So hopefully we’ll have that same kind of magic.”
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/17/whisenhunt-says-kolb-vs-skelton-is-as-even-as-a-competition-can-be/
Looks like we're gonna have another real live QB competition, as we should. This will be something to track all offseason long.
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#1CARDSFAN
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 11:10 am Post subject: |
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| Whiz always says that for the competition aspect. Kolb is the starter. No doubt about it. He was the starter without a TC and with a full off season he will continue to be the starter. |
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#1CARDSFAN
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 11:12 am Post subject: |
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| Plus John Skelton didn't win those games. He played good football for about 5 minutes per game. Usually in the last 5 minutes or so. With the way the defense and ST bailed him out he shouldn't get much credit. |
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stchamp98
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 11:18 am Post subject: |
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| #1CARDSFAN wrote: | | Whiz always says that for the competition aspect. Kolb is the starter. No doubt about it. He was the starter without a TC and with a full off season he will continue to be the starter. |
Substitute Kolb for Leinart and you have exactly what everyone said in 2008. And then he didn't start. i highly doubt this is Whiz just talking. When it comes to competition, Whiz is pretty genuine in his thoughts.
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#1CARDSFAN
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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| stchamp98 wrote: | | #1CARDSFAN wrote: | | Whiz always says that for the competition aspect. Kolb is the starter. No doubt about it. He was the starter without a TC and with a full off season he will continue to be the starter. |
Substitute Kolb for Leinart and you have exactly what everyone said in 2008. And then he didn't start. i highly doubt this is Whiz just talking. When it comes to competition, Whiz is pretty genuine in his thoughts. |
Everyone seems to talk about Warner alot and use that as an example. Warner was a seasoned vet who finally got used to gripping the football with gloves. He had been an NFL MVP before his hands got injured. John Skelton on the other hand hasn't done much in the league plus Whiz isn't running a minor league system like the Redskins who have already named RG3 the starter before TC even started.Competition makes everyone better of course but Kolb will get the chance in a real game after a full off season. I have no doubt about that. |
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khodder
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| Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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Skelton in the fourth quarter is a QB who can take his team on a deep playoff run.
Skelton in the first three quarters is a backup/3rd string QB.
Remember guys this will be the first Training Camp of Skelton's career. It could be the perfect time for him to really show what he is made of;
I want John to win this job so badly. We have seen Kolb's best. We saw it last season, there is no more to Kolb than was put out on the field last year. Skelton on the other hand still has big time upside.
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stchamp98
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| #1CARDSFAN wrote: | | stchamp98 wrote: | | #1CARDSFAN wrote: | | Whiz always says that for the competition aspect. Kolb is the starter. No doubt about it. He was the starter without a TC and with a full off season he will continue to be the starter. |
Substitute Kolb for Leinart and you have exactly what everyone said in 2008. And then he didn't start. i highly doubt this is Whiz just talking. When it comes to competition, Whiz is pretty genuine in his thoughts. |
Everyone seems to talk about Warner alot and use that as an example. Warner was a seasoned vet who finally got used to gripping the football with gloves. He had been an NFL MVP before his hands got injured. John Skelton on the other hand hasn't done much in the league plus Whiz isn't running a minor league system like the Redskins who have already named RG3 the starter before TC even started.Competition makes everyone better of course but Kolb will get the chance in a real game after a full off season. I have no doubt about that. |
And Matt Leinart was the guy Ken Whisenhunt was brought in specifically to develop. That is very literally the biggest reason he got the job. Matt Leinart was Michael Bidwill's poster boy to season ticket holders and we wanted an offensive guy to develop. Whiz still went against everything he was hired to do and opened it up for a real live competition. I have no doubts he'll do it again. Now, he might make John Skelton have to outplay Kevin Kolb by a legitimate amount in order to give him the job, I can see him doing that but as far as whether or not this competition is real, I have no doubts that it is.
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| khodder wrote: | Skelton in the fourth quarter is a QB who can take his team on a deep playoff run.
Skelton in the first three quarters is a backup/3rd string QB.
Remember guys this will be the first Training Camp of Skelton's career. It could be the perfect time for him to really show what he is made of;
I want John to win this job so badly. We have seen Kolb's best. We saw it last season, there is no more to Kolb than was put out on the field last year. Skelton on the other hand still has big time upside. |
Yeah you have to take higher ceiling over higher floor. I want to see Skelton use his eyes better, easier said than done but reps with WR's is huge in that department. You have to trust they'll be where they're supposed to. Also helps having Floyd, another safety blanket to hurl it to if in trouble ala Eli/Plax.
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| Kolb is 27 and Skelton is 24. We have seen Kolb's best? says who? Skelton is no better the Kolb and never will be. If Kolb busts this year the Cardinals will be looking for a legit QB next off season. |
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I would definitely like to see Skelton win the job and play up to the talent he has. Kolb just never looked like a good QB to me.
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| #1CARDSFAN wrote: | | Kolb is 27 and Skelton is 24. We have seen Kolb's best? says who? Skelton is no better the Kolb and never will be. If Kolb busts this year the Cardinals will be looking for a legit QB next off season. |
Looking at what we saw from him in his two years with starts in Philly and then his year here. I do.
He has shown no improvement over that time span at all. He still sucks in the pocket and cannot deal with pressure. He continually drifts backwards in the pocket as opposed to stepping up. He has concussion issues and inconsistent accuracy.
The franchise panicked last year with the possibility of Fitz leaving for another team. They went out and got any old QB on the market which happened to be Kolb.
There is nothing in this guy. Nothing. He gives us nothing better than Skelton and provides us less upside.
We know we have nothing in Kolb, so we need to see what we have in Skelton over a 16 game season. At that point we can then make an informed decision about whether to proceed with Skelton or look for our QB elsewhere.
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| #1CARDSFAN wrote: | | Kolb is 27 and Skelton is 24. We have seen Kolb's best? says who? Skelton is no better the Kolb and never will be. If Kolb busts this year the Cardinals will be looking for a legit QB next off season. |
Skelton gives us one huge thing over Kolb. He does not shrivel up into the foetal position when there is any pressure.
Kolb to some absolutely horrible sacks last season. He was sacked for a loss of 10 yards more than once. That is unforgivable as a Quarterback.
Skelton has some big issues with his accuracy and that is the key to his performances becoming more consistent, if he can build on what he did in 4th quarters last year;
57% completions, 7.5 YPA, 6 TD's, 3 INT's, 89.3 QBR.
And also do it consistently over the course of a full game Skelton is a 60% passer who can get up 4000 yards 25 TD's and 15 INT's
Personally I don't think we have a QB on this roster than can consistently win playoff games. But we have to give Skelton a season to prove himself to us one way or the other.
Kolb is a failure, we know this. Skelton is an unknown, let him take a shot, and then we move on with another QB if that fails.
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I think its a real competition, i would prefer Skelton to get the job. We'll probably be looking for a legit new QB next year anyway though
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I dont think Kolb got his fair share here. He had a limited offseason, terrible O-line play, and the d didnt play as good when he had started (so I beleive) I think the only thing we know for sure about Kolb is that hes injury prone.But whoever trots out there opening week, I will know is the right choice cause Whiz picked him. And Whiz knows whats best for the team.
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| khodder wrote: | | #1CARDSFAN wrote: | | Kolb is 27 and Skelton is 24. We have seen Kolb's best? says who? Skelton is no better the Kolb and never will be. If Kolb busts this year the Cardinals will be looking for a legit QB next off season. |
Skelton gives us one huge thing over Kolb. He does not shrivel up into the foetal position when there is any pressure.
Kolb to some absolutely horrible sacks last season. He was sacked for a loss of 10 yards more than once. That is unforgivable as a Quarterback.
Skelton has some big issues with his accuracy and that is the key to his performances becoming more consistent, if he can build on what he did in 4th quarters last year;
57% completions, 7.5 YPA, 6 TD's, 3 INT's, 89.3 QBR.
And also do it consistently over the course of a full game Skelton is a 60% passer who can get up 4000 yards 25 TD's and 15 INT's
Personally I don't think we have a QB on this roster than can consistently win playoff games. But we have to give Skelton a season to prove himself to us one way or the other.
Kolb is a failure, we know this. Skelton is an unknown, let him take a shot, and then we move on with another QB if that fails. |
You're forgetting about the concussions both here and Philly. He didn't have good reaction time anyway and multiple head shots will only slower his thought process and make him more gunshy.
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