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J Pep 4 Step
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| Cypher wrote: | I like the 3-4, but I really think the 4-3 is getting a bad name for really odd reasons in the modern NFL. While the 3-4 is definitely becoming more common, since 2000, the numbers aren't hugely in favor of one side.
Superbowl Teams Running a 4-3: 15
Superbowl Teams Running a 3-4: 11
Superbowl Winning Teams Running a 4-3: 6
Superbowl Winning Teams Running a 3-4: 7
And you could even argue these numbers are slightly skewed because of the Patriots dynasty. One really isn't superior to the other. It's entirely about personnel. |
Superbowls involve offense though. Not a great measure of effectiveness. I think yards per play allowed and points per game are better measures.
I prefer a 3-4 for no other reason than I find it more fun to watch. Based on that alone, I hope Carolina moves more and more towards that system. But I have always disagreed with the assertions that we shouldnt switch to a 3-4 because our personel better fits the 4-3. Well yes. We are a 4-3 team. Our personel will always better fit the 4-3 so long as we draft and hire for the 4-3. Does that mean a switch should be out of the question so long as football is in Carolina?
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fretgod99
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| J Pep 4 Step wrote: | | Cypher wrote: | I like the 3-4, but I really think the 4-3 is getting a bad name for really odd reasons in the modern NFL. While the 3-4 is definitely becoming more common, since 2000, the numbers aren't hugely in favor of one side.
Superbowl Teams Running a 4-3: 15
Superbowl Teams Running a 3-4: 11
Superbowl Winning Teams Running a 4-3: 6
Superbowl Winning Teams Running a 3-4: 7
And you could even argue these numbers are slightly skewed because of the Patriots dynasty. One really isn't superior to the other. It's entirely about personnel. |
Superbowls involve offense though. Not a great measure of effectiveness. I think yards per play allowed and points per game are better measures.
I prefer a 3-4 for no other reason than I find it more fun to watch. Based on that alone, I hope Carolina moves more and more towards that system. But I have always disagreed with the assertions that we shouldnt switch to a 3-4 because our personel better fits the 4-3. Well yes. We are a 4-3 team. Our personel will always better fit the 4-3 so long as we draft and hire for the 4-3. Does that mean a switch should be out of the question so long as football is in Carolina? |
My position has never been a "no 3-4 ever" thing. Mostly it's just a reaction to comments that started probably about 3-4 years ago along the lines of "OMG! WE SHOULD TOTALLY RUN THE 3-4 THIS YEAR BECAUSE IT IS AWESOME AND PEPPERS WOULD BE TEH GREETEST OLB EVAAARRR!!!"
If they want to switch over, cool. They already run a hybrid (many teams do). I just said (starting a few years ago) that it doesn't make sense that the team would want to switch over to a 3-4 at this (or that) point because they just spent high round draft picks on players who are clearly better suited for the 4-3.
Now, it's conceivable that Rivera is gradually moving the defense to a more consistent 3-4 look. And if he does that, I trust him. I just don't see the logic is making a scheme overhaul like people generally tend to advocate in these types of threads. Plus, it's been a bit longer since those high draft picks were made and we've got an entirely new coaching staff. However, if Rivera does make the switch, I will respect his decision to do so infinitely more than I did with people like Mangini who simply forced the scheme on personnel that clearly did fit in it.
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